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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:24 AM Original message |
Chavez Opposes Arrest Warrant For Bashir; Asks Why Not Bush? |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. war crimes prosecutions are only ever for |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. He's standing up for a fellow oil exporter. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
34. I don't believe he said anything of the sort |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. He thinks his political enemies should be arrested |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. You are full of it. The coup plotters were given AMNESTY. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. Agitating for justice for some war criminals and not for others, is hardly an ethical position, Hugo |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. It's a rather flimsy argument to say, "Don't prosecute these war crimes, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Oh, it's pretty obvious what motivates this |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I'm not the biggest Chavez fan but I kind of agree with him here. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Uh, the ICC is not "us" |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. The US didn't ratify the ICC treaty. |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Ok. I see that there might be opportunism in Chavez's approach. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #15 |
41. That's a ridiculous argument. That the US didn't ratify the treaty |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. The ICC has no jurisdiction over what happened in Iraq. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. I referred to the torture program. And the Afghan government |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. Given the history of the US in Venezuela & the region, hardly surprising that Chavez hates |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Plenty of Latin Americans don't excuse genocide. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. The history of colonization of the New World set the model for genocide |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. So what? Does that excuse Hitler or Pol Pot or Bashir? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I condemn them all |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. It looks to some of us as if they're still trying to get Chavez out |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Mosquito Coast comes to mind |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Like Zulia to the west, Nueva Esparta also has a local opposition |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Yes, people who object to genocide are Islamophobic racists. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. You're welcome to retreat into your own little world of like-minded small minds. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
37. where does Chavez do that? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. He thinks Bashir should get a free pass. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
67. biting political analysis as ever huh geek tragedy |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
6. Say what you will about George Bush |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I'm curious about how his most ardent DU supporters will react- |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. They'll agree with him. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
74. Looks like you're right; ugh (nt) |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
8. kick |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
9. I sort of agree with that statement. If international courts want to shake the image |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. How about holding offenders accountable wherever they're from? |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Sure. But what motivates the ICC to issue a warrant for him and not for Bush? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. The ICC only has jurisdiction over countries that ratify it. |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. So I guess then Chavez is just using this as an opportunity to take a swing at the USA. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. However, the Conventions Against Genocide and Torture are Self-Enforcing. All who sign are |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
44. That's not accurate. It also has jurisdiction if the crime was committed |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Bashir is worse than Bush. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. You're not worth the effort. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Lots of things. It's a lot more complex. The war in Iraq wasn't |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
17. Duh! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. So, it OK to commit genocide if you're a poor country |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Yeah. If Bush does it, everyone should be able to do it. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
46. When the world makes it clear to the biggest criminals that it will |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. uh, Bashir is undoubtedly one of the word's biggest criminals |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. So you oppose justice for the victims of Sudan. |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
21. Srsly |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I'm not going to call you names, but I think bushco is guilty of war crimes. |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I agree |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
57. Estimates by the British doctors group and others are that ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That's weird considering.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Those numbers are from The Lancet, the most respected medical journal. |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I have read that report |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Baloney. And the Lancet studies are peer reviewed, unlike IBC. |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. It also doesn't |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. The opposing case is just as strong and in fact it's IBC that |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. No one with two brain cells to rub together will disagree with you. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
32. Yup, our guys slaughter a hundred thousand innocent people to steal their oil, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. really? No one has officially objected? |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
56. The Spanish judge did not name Bush, Cheny & Rumsfeld. Too big to fail? |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. China and Sudanese oil |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
39. Looks like that's the position of the Arab League and he's there for a meeting: |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. So what? Really, why is that relevant except in that it shows that |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. The Arab league |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Is there an English translation for what you are trying to say?! |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
48. take * to court!! We didn't get the impeachment that we so deserved.. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
65. I understand the point he's trying to make, but this isn't the way to make it. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
69. Fuck Chavez. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
70. Sickening |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
72. Bush murdered 1.4 million Iraqis, where is his arrest warrant? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
73. Chavez supporting a genocidal tyrant out of anti-US contrarianism? Color me shocked (nt) |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
75. He has a point... |
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