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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:20 PM
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Cenk: Fake Outrage By Politicians About AIG Bonuses (A Top Rated Diary @ DailyKos)
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 12:58 PM by ihavenobias

By Cenk Uygur

It is the favorite excuse of losers - no one could have seen it coming. Condoleezza Rice said it about 9/11 after she had been handed a memo saying, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the United States." George Bush said it about the levees not holding during Hurricane Katrina after he had sat through a presentation on how the levees will not hold during Hurricane Katrina. CNBC said it about the crash of the market and economy as they bragged day in and day out about how well they knew the market.

And now the Obama administration is saying it about the AIG bonuses, as they damn well knew it was going to happen. In fact, they pushed for it to happen. Several times, Tim Geithner argued that companies receiving bailouts should be allowed to give most of their executives any damn bonus they like. And .

Every time a bill came up to limit executive bonuses they watered it down. They said the companies couldn't retain top "talent" without it. They said they were afraid of a "brain drain." And the list of dumb excuses goes on and on.

So, they were wrong. I can abide by that. What I cannot abide is the fake shock and outrage. The claim that no one could have seen this coming. I saw it coming! Read what I wrote and and . How clear was it to me - and anyone paying attention - that they were going to give away our money to executives who did not deserve it? Crystal clear.

Time after time, the Bush administration, the Obama administration and Congress had an opportunity to attach limits on executive pay to legislation authorizing bailout money. And time after time, they refused. So, please spare me . If you didn't see this coming, then you are an absolute moron.

It turns out if you let people take millions of dollars in money they didn't deserve, they'll take it every time. Of course!! I'd probably do it, too. . If you set up a system, where people give themselves compensation with no accountability to the people putting the money in, they will obviously give themselves as much compensation as they can possibly get away with. Every time.

To not understand that is to not understand human nature. It was the government's job - as the primary lenders and financiers of these essentially bankrupt companies - to dictate the rules of the game. Of course, they could have put strings on that money. They could have capped bonuses, or salaries overall. They could have capped it for everybody, instead of just the top five or twenty-five executives. They could have taken these companies into bankruptcy, where the executives would not be legally entitled to their salaries or bonuses.

Yet, they did none of these things. Instead, AIG executives will walk away with $450 million in bonuses - at a company that was such a colossal failure that it lost $99.3 billion last year and required a $170 billion taxpayer bailout. Worse yet, the executives in will get $165 million in bonuses. I can't get over the injustice of that.

But don't worry, we are told that Tim Geithner "was really upset by the news" and over the phone. What a joke! Wow, that tongue-lashing must have really stung. I wonder if their several million dollar bonus will help cushion the blow of being yelled at. Geithner is responsible for setting the rules in the first place...

to read the rest of the piece.

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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:24 PM
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1. I thought Congress tried, did, but Bush nullified?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:25 PM
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2. same line being used to excuse Clinton about Nafta
"no one could have seen it coming"

Yeah, right. :grr:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:31 PM
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3. "No one saw it coming" was why * was pushing privatizing Social Security.
I'm sick of berating. Take those million dollar bonuses away from those who caused this mess. We need some indictments with very serious penalties.

k&r
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:32 PM
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4. And Obama himself was late to denouce the
bonuses today.

Yet, he will score points with the media as being the good guy.


It is probably better late than never for Obama to speak up.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:32 PM
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5. K & R!!!
:mad:

:applause:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:35 PM
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6. Here's a K
'causes I already R'ed it.

Lot of fake outrage in DC. Posturing for the populace. About all kinds of things...
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:36 PM
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7. kandr
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:36 PM
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8. Make sure outrage is directed at bonuses.

A half billion in bonuses. How outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The public is too distracted then to complain about the report today of the hundreds of billions AIG gave to banks.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:44 PM
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9. And please, nobody look over here at how Geithner's plan is failing
Exactly!

The little bank bailout engine that could.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:13 PM
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11. Amen. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:17 PM
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12. It should be directed at both
bonuses and the payouts.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 03:30 PM
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25. Sounds good to me! n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:56 PM
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10. K&R I'd rec. it again if I could!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:29 PM
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13. Great work, they had the support for the limits. It is pure BS they are pissed now.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:30 PM
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14. Tim Geithner will not bite the hand that fed him.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:32 PM
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15. Talk is fairytale-ing. The Talmud says a half truth is a whole lie. Happy karma.
Until they act, they collude with people who should be in jail. Do your thing and let me see.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:43 PM
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16. First time ever that i have had a bone of contention with Cenk
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 01:44 PM by truedelphi
It is as if someone tying you to a burning stake also gave you a bad haircut - and Cenk is complaining about the bad haircut.

There should be no BailOut to the banks and financial institutions. They created a totally hyped up "The economy is toast" if you do not save us!" meme in late Sept '08.

"Give us all your money or there will be no credit" they whined and snarled.

So we gave them 700 Billion and they still did not have credit flowing.

We need a President who understands the Swindle, and who gets rid of the Pigs at the Trough - Bernanke, Geithner, Summers, Rubin and if Gensler is around him too.

Abolish the Fed. Put the money needed to breathe life into OUR economy into the type of Central Bank that Lincoln set up during the Civil War. That way it can be ensured that We The People will have money flowing for mortgages, auto loans, credit card debt etc.

Or alternatively, as Issa has suggested (And Kucinich seems to concur) allow the BailOut funds to go to Community Banks in every region of our country. Issue those banks a state charter and let the money flow to them and on to us. (THe Community Credit unions have been by far much more honest and less swindle-ey than the major Banking Brands like Wachovia, WaMU, and Bank of America.)

Otherwise the USA is staring its own demise squarely in the face. Kucinich has already warned that the Bloodsuckers are far more likely to hold onto whatever capital they receive in order to plunder our utilities - after all, commodities like drinking water will be the New Black Gold of the next fifty years.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:49 PM
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17. Cenk was ripped to shreds when he BASHED the bailout on Sept. 19th 2008...
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 01:53 PM by ihavenobias
Even crazier was that he was ripped to shreds at the time by many at DailyKos of all places. Many people there thought Cenk was crazy and that we HAD to bailout the banks in order to avoid a depression. Just look at the poll results! 54% of people who voted said Obama should go along with the bailout:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/19/171824/331/62/604054

From Cenk's piece on 9/19/08:

"I am so mad about this proposed federal bailout of Wall Street, I can't see straight. Do you understand what they're going to do? They are about to steal ONE TRILLION dollars from us and just hand it over to the guys on Wall Street who screwed everything up. They are going to take all of their bad loans and dump it on us. We're going to have pay for their mistakes!

But they already made the money. They keep the profits and we keep the debts. It is absolutely, positively outrageous. The only thing more outrageous is that both of the presidential candidates are going along with it. Obama seems to be supporting it almost more enthusiastically than McCain. That is a terrible idea..."
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:32 PM
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20. Good to hear that he said that. He needs to stay on message.
As an indie reporter who had Monsanto attempting to plant viruses on my computer (Circa 1998-99) I know the importance of staying on message.

I stayed on message when a certain voting activist was sick, and other reporters decided it was too risky to support him, so they fled his scene as he lay dying.

I have stayed on message abt:
1) MTBE
2) pesticides
3) vaccines
4) the voting integrity issue (long before it was popular)
5) and the phony baloney Bailing out the large money interests.

You cannot desert the message just because it is unpopular. It is up to the independents to stay on message - the M$M is totally bought out as this report of mine indicates: (You need to read the whole thing to understand the full story!)

www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/22/143038/082?new=true
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:44 PM
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21. So true.
It's just incredibly frustrating when progressives refuse to constructively criticize their own party and leadership. That was shown at Kos in my previous example, and I see it here all too often.

Let's leave that ass kissing, see no evil, speak no evil role to the Republicans!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:01 AM
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43. Never forget: THANK GOD FOR THE BAILOUT!! A LOT of people saw the b.s. and got hammered for it.
Good on Cenk for continuing to tell the truth.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:11 PM
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18. K&R
:kick:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:23 PM
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19. Cenk gets it.
:kick: and R
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matthewf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:54 PM
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22. k&r
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 03:03 PM
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23. K&R
:kick:
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 03:11 PM
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24. NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!! Best damned post I've read in a long
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 03:12 PM by Fire1
time!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 04:18 PM
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27. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about.
:)
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 03:33 PM
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26. K&R
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 04:31 PM
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28. K and of course, R
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:04 PM
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29. A citizen needing help has to practically bend and spread 'em, but the wealthy
only snap their fingers, add a bit of fear and get whatever they wish.

Doesn't seem right...

I was against the "bail-out" also. Blatant robbery.

:hi:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:27 PM
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31. Right, a reverse Robin Hood. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:32 PM
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30. k*r The bonuses are the beard
The real issue is what about $150 billion so far?

What foreign concerns have their teeth into this TARP money.

Very good analysis of the charade. It's something to keep us occupied while the real
theft of America takes place.



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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:01 PM
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35. Very true.
The fact that we STILL don't know exactly where all the money went is just insane. There must an alternate reality where the very idea would be considered laughable fiction.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:12 PM
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39. London, Paris & Brazil For Starters
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belpejic Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:31 PM
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32. No demand
Sorry, but there is simply no demand in the employment market for AIG employees, or any one else for that matter. They should feel lucky that they have jobs. There is no need to pay them a cent above their base salaries.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:58 PM
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38. But how can they retain their top talent if they don't give them top bonsuses?!
;)
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:21 PM
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33. "no one could have seen it coming"
Reminds me of a news magazine show I saw a few years ago. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which station/program but it was about a barge striking a bridge pylon from the downstream side.

There were protection barriers in from of the pylons on the upstream side, but none to prevent accidents from the south because "no one could have seen it coming" -- they assumed such an accident would be cause by current carrying the barge into the bridge, so only the north side was reinforced.

After the collapse, the bridge was rebuilt -- still without barriers on the south -- apparently no one could imagine a strike from the South even after there had been one!

I think this was the I-40 bridge over the Arkansas River near Webber's Falls, but I can't find a reference to the news feature.

In any case, "no one could have seen it coming" works even after we have already seen it!
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:27 PM
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34. k & r n./t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:16 PM
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36. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:02 PM
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37. Bump!
:kick:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 07:36 AM
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40. Jane Hamsher addressed the "contracts" excuse yesterday...
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 07:37 AM by Triana
...she asked - if the contracts the UAW / GM employees had with the company (GM) could be nullified or changed as a pre-condition for GM's receiving the LOAN they received from the gov't to help keep them afloat -- then WHY are those bonus contracts that AIG has not amendable/cancellable in the same manner? (ie: You don't GET that latest $30B nor do you get any more federal money until/unless you cancel those bonus contracts)

They COULD do it to GM - but NOT AIG?

Why?

The "we can't change contracts" is a bullshit excuse from a Treasury run by Wall-Street beneficiaries, insiders, and loyalists.

THEY CHANGED THE ONES GM had with the Unions - they can DAMN SURE change AIG's
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 11:14 AM
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46. That's an EXCELLENT point. n/t
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:27 PM
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47. Damn right. It makes no sense that they can do it with GM but not AIG - difference is..
...GM isn't on Wall Street. AIG is.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 06:27 PM
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50. Check out the video section, Matt just put up a great Headzup cartoon on this topic.
:)
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ATOMain Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 09:51 AM
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41. Republican logic -> but see, these execs will spend their bonus money and it will trickle down....
that's the biggest lie of it all
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 09:55 AM
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42. K & R n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:06 AM
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44. Cenk's telling it true
Not sure what it's going to take for Barack to learn.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:11 AM
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45. Amen! K&R (n/t)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:10 PM
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48. K&R
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:44 PM
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49. any failing company who can get a BRAZILLIAN dollars from our tax money, come on, that IS top talent
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