Where are the treads about this Obama

[doc03]

bombshell to tax our health insurance benefits? One of the reasons I voted against McCain was his plan to tax health care benefits. This morning I pick up the paper and there it is if Congress agrees to tax health care benefits he will look at it. Obama is going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut, then he comes up with this cap and trade program that will double our electric bills and now he is going to tax our benefits. Union people where are you on this? That share the wealth comment he made last fall seems to be coming true. What do I get a $400 dollar taxcut a $1000 increase in my electric bill and several thousand more in taxes to pay on my benefits. I am just about to the point of joining one of those tea parties.

[BuyingThyme]

1. Lots of complaints there.

Are you sure about all this?

[Taverner]

2. Give us some references - something to go on

Any links?

[rvablue]

5. It's on the front page of the NYT today, but I have no position to share

as I haven't read the article yet and don't know who exactly they are considering taxing.

[Taverner]

8. Understood. As soon as you can give us links the better

[FreakinDJ]

11. Pretty much "Debunked" already

some over zealous AP "Wanna Be" Reporter took a phrase out of context and ran with it.

of course the editor that allowed it needs a "Unemployment Check"

[lapfog_1]

3. "All options are on the table"

does not equal "tax our health care benefits", nor does it equal "doubling our electric bills".

Why not wait until you see actual legislation that is, in fact, supported by President Obama.

[Starry Messenger]

4. You mean the teabaggers?

Gah!

[Pirate Smile]

6. Maybe because most people know it is a BS article.

"But Obama administration aides immediately characterized the Times report as much ado about very little, saying the idea is on the proverbial table along with nearly every health care reform idea under the sun, but not being pushed or particularly supported by the White House.

"I saw this, the article you're talking about," White House economic adviser Austan Goolsbee said on "Fox News Sunday." "I thought that was highly overstated. That is not in the president's budget. The president's budget -- you have it there on the table. It does not include this provision. This appears to be coming from (when) the administration and representatives of the administration went to Congress and said, 'We are open to all ideas to talk about health reform.'"

Goolsbee noted that "there are some people in Congress who are pushing this, but that is not the president's idea."'

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/is-president-ob.html

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. I saw something about this earlier. You won't hear a peep from the usual

crowd that seem to live well below the poverty line, the unemployed & local, state & federal employees - what seems to be the vast majority of US citizens.

[FrenchieCat]

9. I have a thread up for those who buy Media bullshit,

just because they print something. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8263317

As far as your "now he is going to tax our benefits" statement, that smells like propaganda coming directly from your lips. What's your agenda?

[doc03]

10. Front page Pittsburgh Post Gazette this morning

When someone comes up with something that you campaigned against and won the support of Union workers and helped you win the election, you don't f-----g consider it. Oh just sit back, he hasn't done it yet. No I will make my Congressman and Senators aware I don't support it now before it is too late. The Cap and Trade will double our electric bills and cost us thousands of jobs. Any industry like mine that is dependant on affordable electricity will just move to China.

[FrenchieCat]

12. Barack Obama ran on his Cap and Trade system of reducing pollution.....

So a better question is why are you so late to this information? How were you keeping yourself informed on what you were campaigning against? Of is it possible that you voted for the wrong party, if Cap and Trade is the burning issue for you? :shrug:

Obama calls for cap-and-trade program

By William L. Watts, MarketWatch
Oct. 8, 2007

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama on Monday said that if elected he would establish an economy-wide cap-and-trade program that would sharply cut greenhouse-gas emissions by 2050.
In a speech prepared for delivery in Portsmouth, N.H., the Illinois senator said the cap-and-trade plan would be the centerpiece of a wide-ranging set of measures designed to cut emissions of gases tied to global warming and weaning the United States off of dependence on oil.
Under a cap-and-trade plan, companies that produce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases receive or buy credits that give them the right to emit a certain amount. Companies that emit less carbon than their credits allow can profit by selling any excess credits on the open market, while those that exceed their emission allowance have to make up the difference or face heavy fines.
Obama's plan would require all credits to be purchased at auction, rather than allocated by industry -- a move his campaign said would ensure that all polluters pay for every ton of emissions released.

A plan offered by rival Democrat John Edwards would also establish a cap-and-trade plan, but would auction some credits while granting others to existing businesses.

"The market will set the price, but unlike the other cap-and-trade proposals that have been offered in this race, no business will be allowed to emit any greenhouses gases for free," Obama said. "Businesses don't own the sky, the public does, and if we want them to stop polluting it, we have to put a price on all pollution."

President Bush has resisted calls for setting a cap on emissions, saying such a move would hurt the economy and put the United States at a disadvantage to rapidly developing economies.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-calls-pollution-cap-and-trade-program/story.aspx?guid=%7BE704950B-F8D6-49EB-9C20-BCCECEB72374%7D

[doc03]

15. Well I am not a one issue voter and the Cap and Trade was

something I disapproved of from the start. I looked at the two options McCain and Obama and frankly chose the lesser of the two evils, I thought. Since the election I have been very disappointed, first of all was the Stimulus Plan that turned out to be more giveaways than actual stimulus. Now there is this taxing the health benefits issue he will consider, no you don't consider something you constantly trashed the other candidate for two months after you are in office. All the Democrats that have come out of the woodwork and resurrected the AWB is also disturbing, he came to this area and said "I am not here to take your guns." I am not so sure about that one now. This Employee Free Choice Act is another thing that I just can't support. I am a Union member and wish there were more Union members but that act will only leave workers subject to harassment and intimidation from the Union and fellow employees. I don't believe it's much of an improvement, the old way the company intimated the worker now it will be the other way, that doesn't look like progress to me.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. You hardly seem "progressive"

You sound anti-union, anti global climate change, what union do you belong to?

Remind me why you joined?

[doc03]

20. I am not anti union I am (anti Union intimidation by the Union)

I am anti climate change, don't believe it, not apologizing for it. There are many things I do agree with but those are some I don't and I will make it a point to call my Congressman and remind him. I suspect my congressman opposes the Cap and Trade, the health benefits tax and AWB issue already. The EFCA I am not sure about. The reason I (joined) the Union was this is not a right to work state and you either sign the card or don't get hired. I am opposed to a Union thug or a company thug intimidating workers into something. This EFCA just reverses the thing instead of the company intimidating him the Union will, doesn't seem progressive in my book.

[FrenchieCat]

17. You don't sound like a progressive to me.....

You don't support cap and trade, didn't like the stimulus and call it a "giveaway". In addition, you are scared he's gonna take your guns away, you don't support the EFCA....and you are accusing him of doing something that he actually was said not to support (taxing health benefits) in the NYT's article your OP was asking why it wasn't posted.

Perhaps there is a Republican forum out there that might suit your needs.....
or a "I hate Obama almost as much as I hate McCain" forum....

But have no fear,
there's always 2012!

[doc03]

21. The way things are going 2010

[doc03]

24. Those are some things I don't agree with, do you agree

with everything Obama does? I saw a lot of people extremely disappointed with his choice of who would give the prayer at the inauguration. I saw a lot of people extremely disappointed with the merit pay for teachers statement the other day. That Stimulus Plan was very little stimulus in my opinion and lot of waste, they are already talking about another one. I support more Union membership but not buy intimidation of workers which is exactly what that EFCA will do.

[Obamanaut]

23. "Member since 2003 before July 6th" Seeing this on your profile

one can't help but wonder why you might have been even considering McCain. From your post"...I looked at the two options McCain and Obama..."

I would have voted for a toad if that was the only choice other than McCain.

[doc03]

25. Obama and McCain was who I was left to

pick from. Obama was the Democrat that promised everything like Clinton did and McCain was bat shit crazy.

[masuki bance]

13. Here's one-

[BuyingThyme]

19. Dueler A/T?

[FrenchieCat]

14. I'm gonna wait to see if you answer your own thread and the comments made to you in response,

as you rant for not finding the threads you'd like to see! :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

18. And teh stupid remains strong.

[Political Tiger]

22. Before becoming enraged, how about educating yourself first?

MR. GREGORY: I want to ask you about a few items in the news. One is health care, the administration signaling that the president is now open to taxing employer health benefits for employees. This was something that John McCain proposed in the election and President, then-candidate Obama was opposed to it. Is he changing his view?

DR. ROMER: He is still opposed to it. He certainly was very critical and very skeptical of it. It is certainly not in our proposal. And we have proposed other ways to, to deal with health care and to fund it. And so no, it is not something that he supports.

MR. GREGORY: So the reports about him now considering this being open to it are wrong?

DR. ROMER: He--his, his, his skepticism from the campaign absolutely is, is still there.

MR. GREGORY: So he's opposed to it. It's off the table.

DR. ROMER: He is absolutely opposed to it and skeptical and...

MR. GREGORY: You're not saying it's off the table.

DR. ROMER: I, I'm not going to say one way or the other that...

MR. GREGORY: But he, he might consider it, in other words?

DR. ROMER: I think what he has said from the beginning is there are no such thing as Democratic and Republican ideas, there are just good ideas. He will listen to good ideas. This is not one that he has, has ever supported.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29705720/page/2/