ROVE - 95% Of E-mails on RNC-Based Account (GWB43) - May Have Forfeited Claims Of Exec Privilege

[kpete]

Rove's E-mails

Alexis Simendinger writes in a National Journal story (subscription required): "White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove may have forfeited potential claims of executive privilege over the dismissals of eight U.S. attorneys-- if he communicated about the latter outside the White House e-mail system, using his Republican National Committee e-mail account or RNC equipment. Or at least that's a legal possibility posed by rapidly advancing electronic technology and the evolving work habits of busy White House officials. . . .

"According to one former White House official familiar with Rove's work habits, the president's top political adviser does 'about 95 percent' of his e-mailing using his RNC-based account. Many White House officials, including aides in the Political Affairs Office, use the RNC account as an alternative to their official government e-mail addresses to help keep their official and political duties separate. Although some White House officials use dual sets of electronic devices for that purpose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html
http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/newsrelease.php?view=214

[Canuckistanian]

1. .

[Ilsa]

5. There's no jam available for this toast because

KKKarl is in it over his head, I hope.

[SusanaMontana41]

32. Wish someone

would take him to Grover's bathtub and, well, you know ...

[bahrbearian]

41. Thats too funny.

[Qutzupalotl]

36. He's toast IN a jam.

Downthread someone said Rove up in smoke. Maybe he's jammed in a toaster.
He'll be in a bind if anyone finds that he's an anonymous poster.

[rfranklin]

2. Well, it was Republican "business" after all...

Let's nail Karl to the wall!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. Interesting. I heard Rove talking about this at some stupid

fundraiser (about the whole attorney issue - nor the emails)

My thought then was - how can he claim exec privilege when he is talking about the subject in public?

[sellitman]

4. All the bushies do this.

chucklenuts, Dick, Carl & kindasleezy.

I wonder if the RNC servers could be subpoenaed?

[Perky]

6. That is very hard to mage effectively

multiple email account in MS Outlook are inveitablly going to be messy and hopelesly intrwinesed through out threads.

GWB04 would never be considered "privlieged" but its going to a big issue.

[youngdem]

7. INVESTIGATORS PLEASE NOTE, White House Officials USE OUTSIDE EMAIL ADDRESSES A LOT

To avoid scrutiny, open records laws and other avenues of exposure, the Bush administration has long been using outside email accounts to hide evidence.

Colin fucking Powell had an AOL account that he gave Woodward to contact him about WMD issues during the initial months of the invasion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An AOL ACCOUNT!!!! (It was in Woodward's latest book.)

So, we need to ask the White House for a list of ALL email addresses EVER used during the period in question, so we can properly search every corner for the real evidence in the US Atty scandal. Because it is OBVIOUS that these crooks would use the official email addresses for cover stories and obtuse comments and use private emails and other means for communicating real issues.

[SpiralHawk]

16. What are the corrupt republicon cronies hiding from America?

Why do republicons lie, steal, and cheat America?

Why do republicons hate America ?

[MLFerrell]

30. "we need to ask the White House for a list of ALL email addresses EVER used during the period"

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!!!!

I know, I mean I can just guarantee that those sanctimonious fuckheads would give us "the complete list" and conveniently leave off one or two.

I also know with certainty that they would fuck up, and leave an avenue available for discovering those one or two.

[youngdem]

31. We need to use the Patriot Act against them by strongarming ISP's to give up other accounts

[wryter2000]

43. Awesome idea

Let's get us one o' them National Security Letters. :yourock:

[caligirl]

35. Someone put the screws, a'hum, to Gannon, surely he knows which

WH/Rove advisors have a big problem to hide. Get that advisor on an issue and nail(sorry again)Rove/* with the information obtained from that advisor.

Its easy. Sex, lies and, video tape.

[populistdriven]

64. i bet rove had an email account on gannons server

[CrazyOrangeCat]

8. kick

[napi21]

9. It would be quite funny if this is proven true! Talk about a plan backfiring!

But there's something else that's important to remember about "Executive Privilege". If you check FindLaw.com, in John Dean's most recent article, he said "Everyone needs to remember, Executive Privilege ONLY covers communications with the PRESIDENT! In fact Dean even joked when he was onOlberman's show that Rove would like you to believe it covers even conversations with the pizza shop when he places an order!

[Usrename]

47. Yep, and there's more..

snip>

Moreover, in explaining its holding, the Court reasoned as follows: "hen the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such conversations, a confrontation with other values arises. Absent a claim of need to protect military, diplomatic, or sensitive national security secrets, we find it difficult to accept the argument that even the very important interest in confidentiality of Presidential communications is significantly diminished by production of such material for in camera inspection…."

Not only did this holding result in the rejection of an executive privilege claim, it is also quite vague, and it applies to a judicial, not a legislative subpoena. Nevertheless, Attorney General Smith drew upon it to opine, consistent with the philosophy of protecting presidential prerogatives, that "he interest of Congress in obtaining information for oversight purposes is, I believe, considerably weaker than its interest when specific legislative proposals are in question."

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070323.html

I think they have a huge problem with this argument, at least I hope they do.

[SaveAmerica]

10. I don't understand this, how can it show he's up to no good? I mean

EVERYONE in the world has an e-mail address that's separate from their work e-mail. I don't understand how this helps us prove anything? I also don't understand why my hair gets wet when it rains. It rains, then my hair gets wet, I don't see the connection :shrug:

I'm being sarcastic, of course, because I recommended this tasty tidbit. Does anyone have a picture of Rove going up in smoke?

[LiberalFighter]

25. Call the Charmed Ones to vanquish this demon and the others

[SaveAmerica]

28. I was making fun of the demons! (Don't understand why my hair

gets wet when it rains?) Making fun of the nimrods in all the posts about the rnc server and links to Rove and Ohio and Rove using external e-mails "This doesn't prove anything", etc. Aw, just read my entire post, eh? You're not supposed to fight other liberals!! ;-)

[LiberalFighter]

33. You said Rove up in smoke... He's a demon... When Charmed Ones vanquish

the demons go up in smoke.

[wryter2000]

44. My guess

Using RNC e-mail would suggest it's the business of the Republic party, not the White House. The Republic party doesn't have any executive privilege.

I have work e-mail and personal e-mail. I consider anything I say on work e-mail to reflect on my employer.

[orleans]

52. well, i found this

[wordpix]

11. K&R---subpoena those records, Congress!

[Kingofalldems]

12. I'll pose this question again---

Does Mr. Fitzgerald know about this?

[Uncle Roy]

13. I've always wondered why he is on the public payroll.

EVERYTHING the man does is political. Why is he paid with our tax dollars? Isn't there some kind of law about that?

Roy

[ClintonTyree]

59. Because he's "Bush's Brain"....

without Rove to pull Bush's strings we might as well have a cardboard cut-out in the Oval Office. Actually, I'd prefer a cardboard cut-out. This country could run itself better with a piece of cardboard in the Oval Office than Bush.

It was a two for one deal: you get Bush, you get his brain (Rove) as well. Pretty crappy deal, if you ask me.

[formercia]

14. Thanks for providing more info

I had posed the question earlier....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=270638&mesg_id=270645

[Captain Hilts]

15. This is a VERY interesting point. nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

40. Actually, I'm a bit puzzled, because someone on here was sayng or

quoting the other day, that Rove, as a mere official, would not be covered by Executive Privilege anyway.

[catmandu57]

17. Wouldn't it be juicy

if some mail to jeffery guckert gannon popped up.

[Stephanie]

18. subpoena his hushmail account

if he's smart he didn't email gannon from gwb43. but then, he's not that smart.

[peacetalksforall]

19. April 2006 - Rove was 'reassigned'. Is that when he (nearly) stopped using

.gov and started using the RNC e-mail account (or even more e-mail accounts that we're not yet aware of)?

If yes, could his reassignment from WH policy to midterm elections by working for/with/as the RNC have been planned to give them the 'freedom' to communicate without a trace in the government archives?

I think Bolten may be the pivot point in the coordination of this 'gate' we're discussing so intently.

I think we should know exactly who is/has been paying Rove before we figure out how protected the WH is or isn't.

We may all be assuming he still is in his original job with his original check issuer.

And we should know if he is bringing in other income in any form.

The following was in the Guardian in April of 2006. (aside - why does the Guardian see things more clearly and faster than the press.)

April 20, 2006
So no more policy role for Karl Rove, the political guru whose attachment to George Bush is so legendary and so close that enemies mutter darkly about computer chips implanted in the president's brain. But does Rove's reassignment to planning for next November's midterm elections amount to a slap in the face for the man who crafted a Republican majority that could last for generations?
Apparently not. Plus ca change, was the consenus in the mainstream press. In the blogosphere, Rove's reassignment was seen as game of musical chairs.
The reduction in Rove's official role, and the resignation of the White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, are among the first in a series of personnel changes set in motion by the new White House chief of staff, Josh Bolten. But don't expect any new faces. Rove, despite the loss of one of his titles, remains Bush's main political adviser - his Boy Genius when the president is feeling kindly disposed, or Turd Blossom in moments of temper.
Bolten, who is now running the White House, is a member in good standing of Bush's inner circle. For those who await a major change in direction from this administration, it may be worth remembering Bush's defence of Donald Rumsfeld earlier this week: "I'm the decider, and I decide what's best."

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/suzanne_goldenberg/2006/04/post_40.html

[Toots]

20. Just like a business keeping two sets of books..

I am sure that is what they do in the private business life as well.

[Lars39]

22. This is why they could say bush doesn't use email...

he doesn't use the government server, he uses the RNC server.

[LiberalFighter]

26. IF that could be discovered the media and internetS could hound bushwad on his lying

[Z_I_Peevey]

24. THAT should be how this is framed.

Two sets of books.

Easy for anyone to understand.

[Oilwellian]

21. I wonder if...

Fitzgerald knows of Karl's and probably Libby's separate email accounts? :giggling like a loon:

[Scout1071]

23. Where can I find the list of Republican websites hosted on the same server?

I know I saw it here a few days ago, but I've been looking everywhere and don't see it.

[Emit]

27. Try these links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=465980&mesg_id=465980

http://www.robtex.com/dns/rncftp.com.html

[LiberalFighter]

29. Here is a list with a few more added (146 total)

2004nycgop.com
2004nycgop.net
2004nycgop.org
Africanamericansforbush.com
Africanamericansforbush.org
Agendaforamerica.com
Agendaforamerica.net
Agendaforamerica.org
Arabamericansforbush.com
Arabamericansforbush.org
Asianamericansforbush.com
Asianamericansforbush.org
Barackosama2008.org
Bushenergy.com
Bushenergy.net
Bushenergy.org
Bushfarmandranchteam.com
Bushfarmandranchteam.org
Bushfarmteam.com
Bushfarmteam.org
Bushforpresident.com
Catholicsforbush.com
Debatefacts.com
Debatefacts.net
Debatefacts.org
Demfacts.com
Demfacts.net
Demfacts.org
Democratsforbush.com
Democratsforbush.info
Democratsforbush.net
Democratsforbush.org
Democratsforbush.us
Educatorsforbush.com
Educatorsforbush.org
Farmersandranchersforbush.com
Farmersandranchersforbush.org
Flippercam.com
Flippercam.net
Flippercam.org
Georgebush.com
Gop.com
Gop.net
Gop.org
Gopconvention.com
Gopemail.com
Gopnet.com
Gopnet.net
Gopnet.org
Gopteamleader.com
Gopteamleader.net
Hitechforbush.com
Hitechforbush.org
Iamaliberal.net
Imaliberal.com
Imaliberal.net
Imaliberal.org
Imforlowertaxes.com
Investorsforbush.com
Investorsforbush.org
Johnkerryliberalrecord.com
Johnkerryliberalrecord.net
Johnkerryliberalrecord.org
Johnkerryoniraq.com
Johnkerrysliberalrecord.com
Johnkerrysliberalrecord.net
Johnkerrysliberalrecord.org
Kerryliberalrecord.com
Kerryliberalrecord.net
Kerryliberalrecord.org
Kerrysliberalrecord.com
Kerrysliberalrecord.net
Kerrysliberalrecord.org
KerryWrongForAsianAmericans.com
KerryWrongForAsianAmericans.net
KerryWrongForAsianAmericans.org
KerryWrongForAsians.com
KerryWrongForAsians.net
KerryWrongForAsians.org
KerryWrongForCatholics.com
KerryWrongForCatholics.net
KerryWrongForCatholics.org
KerryWrongForEvangelicals.com
KerryWrongForEvangelicals.net
KerryWrongForEvangelicals.org
KerryWrongForLatinos.com
KerryWrongForLatinos.net
KerryWrongForLatinos.org
KerryWrongForMormons.com
KerryWrongForMormons.net
KerryWrongForMormons.org
Laborforbush.com
Laborforbush.org
Lawenforcementforbush.com
Lawenforcementforbush.org
Militaryfamiliesforbush.com
Militaryfamiliesforbush.org
Militaryforbush.com
Militaryforbush.org
Mytaxrefund.org
Mytaxrelief.org
Nativeamericansforbush.com
Nativeamericansforbush.org
Prolifeforbush.com
Prolifeforbush.org
Proudrepublican.com
Republicanconvention.org
Republicanvictoryteam.com
Republicanvictoryteam.net
Republicanvictoryteam.org
Republicrooks.com
Rnc.org
Rnccab.com
Rncchairman.com
Rncchairman.net
Rncchairman.org
Rncconvention.com
Rncconvention.net
Rncconvention.org
Rnceagles.com
Rncfc.com
Rncfc.net
Rncfc.org
Rnchq.org
Rncmajorityfund.com
Rncpresidentialvictoryteam.com
Rncpresidentsclub.com
Rncpvt.com
Rncpvt.org
Rncregent.com
Rncregents.com
Rncsustainingmembers.com
Rncteam100.com
Seniorsforbushcheney.org
Smallbusinessownersforbush.com
Smallbusinessownersforbush.org
Sportsmenforbush.org
Studentsforbush.com
Teachersforbush.com
Teachersforbush.org
XFX-3D.com
Your-congress.com
Your-congress.net
Your-congress.org
Youthforbush.com
Youthforbush.org

[Oilwellian]

34. Democrats for Bush?

How quaint.

[stubtoe]

42. Barackosama2008.org?

Sounds mighty similiar to that Fox News "mistake" a couple months back.

Anyway I went there and it points to gop.com.

[jazzjunkysue]

37. "White House and RNC spokespeople did not respond to National Journal questions about Rove's use of

"White House and RNC spokespeople did not respond to National Journal questions about Rove's use of the RNC e-mail system


So, we know? And they know we know? And, they know we know they know and yet they refuse to answer questions about it?

And, this all was in the washington post?


Have I died and gone to heaven?

Did someone die and leave me their magic genie in a bottle?

It is now public knowledge that these officials have completely gone off the radar?

:rofl:
:kick:

[City Lights]

39. Tony was asked about it the other day, too.

IIRC, he had the deer-in-the-headlights look and never really answered the question.

[orleans]

51. deer in the headlights: (can't resist)

[loudsue]

38. The Washington Post published that?? Woo-Hoo!!!

Even Tweety acknowledged on the news this week that the Washington Post is now a neocon rag. And for them to publish this DAMNING information on Karl Rove is just SWEET!!!!

:kick::kick::kick: & R

[jazzjunkysue]

50. Yep! Go read the link. I don't remember if it plainly states that the same

server was used in the election, but, just having Rove use it at all will bring investigations, and the rest will come out.


That's why they call them stupid crooks.

[kineneb]

45. interesting, they do not seem to really understand the technology-

ok, they can send e-mails, but they seem to have had no clue that the messages they were sending back and forth were really not "secure" if they were using a non-governmental server. BushCo just don't seem to really grasp the real uses of the Internet, or even the US gov. intranets. I am sure with a bit of digging, enterprising geeks can find out all sorts of dirt on BushCo.

They don't seem to cover their tracks that well.

[Hekate]

55. "Enterprising geeks," start your search engines!

Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)

Hekate

[ClintonTyree]

60. "Well, 'ya see, the internets is like a series of pipes....

and although we don't know where those pipes actually go we figure they're safe to use because Al Gore invented them". ;)

[Blue Belle]

46. How funny would it be if the internets brought down the Bush Cabal?

There's lots of stuff goin' around on those internets... :+

[kestrel91316]

48. It's time for a law requiring keystroke logging of every single

government computer with all information saved in perpetuity. Violations punishable by a minimum of 25 years in Supermax.

[Pryderi]

49. OOPS! THE EMAIL SERVERS CRASHED, AND THE BACKUPS ARE MISSING!

[DrDonna]

53. Kick

:kick:

I'd also like to recommend this post but this is my first post and the rules won't let me.

[ClintonTyree]

61. Well DrDonna....

Let me be the first to welcome you to Democratic Underground. :hi: What kept 'ya? Jump right in here and participate away, most of us are harmless. ;) It's great to have new voices added into our daily debates. Welcome.

[jmowreader]

66. Welcome Dr. Donna!

Because YOU can't recommend the post, I took the liberty of recommending it for you.

[AikidoSoul]

69. Welcome to DU DrDonna -- look forward to your posts

And don't worry it won't be long before you'll be able to recommend a thread that you think is important.

I went ahead and recommended this for you since you can't do it yet.




:hi:

[Hekate]

54. Oh. My. Gods. If this means what I think it means, get out the champagne...

...and crank up the Victrola put on my 78 of The Schadenfreude Dance.
:evilgrin:

Hekate

[opihimoimoi]

56. WHOA...Weren't they supposed to bring Integrity and Honor back to the White House???

WTF Happened?...Did someone remind the President....Did he hear the reminder??? Did he understand???

After nearly 7 years...there is no evidence of Honor and Integrity in the White House...only cunning, deception, stonewalling, secrecy, plotting, selfinterest, greed, theft, and who knows what....

Damn....

[Hekate]

57. When this is all over, let's go to Kapiolani Park and have one hell of a party

That's what I say.

Hekate

[opihimoimoi]

58. OK, I bring Kaamaaina and Beer, Oasis is on da mainland somewhere.

crab legs too.

[vanboggie]

62. OMG do you know what this means

There could be a [email protected] out there. Ick.

:rofl:

[cassiepriam]

63. Trying to commit the perfect crime. Evil hidden behind executive privilege.

Means he can commit any crime he wants.

And also he has the resources and power of the entire
world at his fingertips. He can concoct any alibi and
evidence he so wishes.

[cap]

65. email on wall street or in DOD secure environments is on lockdown

you cant get to an outside server at all. It is forbidden.

[aquart]

67. Is he saying they've got two blackberries?

Gosh, that could get confusing.

[benld74]

68. In my agency this would be a SECURITY RISK and your ass would be handed to you on the way OUT