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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:01 PM
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Vatican accuses Obama of 'arrogance' - Times of India
I would bet that the use of birth control, that is damned by the Vatican, prevents more abortions than all of the "pro-life" efforts combined.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Vatican_accuse...

ROME: A senior Vatican official on Saturday attacked US President Barack Obama for "arrogance" for overturning a ban on state funding for
family-planning groups that carry out or facilitate abortions overseas.

It is "the arrogance of someone who believes they are right, in signing a decree which will open the door to abortion and thus to the destruction of human life," Archbishop Rino Fisichella was quoted as saying by the Corriere della Sera daily.

Fisichella is president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, one of a number of so-called pontifical academies which are formed by or under the direction of the Holy See.

The order won Obama praise from Democratic lawmakers, family planning and women's rights groups but drew angry condemnation from pro-life organisations and Republicans.

More than 250 health and human rights organisations from around the world sent Obama a letter, thanking him for ending a policy "which has contributed to the deaths and injuries of countless women and girls."
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:03 PM
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1. The Vatican needs to take a chill pill
The political arm of the Church is fast becoming irrelevant. If only they recognized this and STFU.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:48 PM
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34. Chill Pill not enough. I suggest they should burn themselves at the stake.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:07 PM
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37. Can the witches come watch?
We'll bring the fixin's for s'mores.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:08 PM
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38. So bad...but so good!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:48 PM
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43. Don't forget the sticks for hot dogs.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:03 PM
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2. But it was OK for Bush to be arrogant with his beliefs
Fuck you, Vatican
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shintao Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 12:01 AM
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49. How about the million dead in Iraq?
The vati-can must be plugged up! What about the butchering in the ME Mr. Pope?? Sounds like a rightwinged ding bat to me.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:03 PM
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3. They are just pushing to get ahead internally to make a name for themselves
no more, no less. Internal Vatican politics now is all about the Vatican in their view, a 180 from what it was last century. Fisichella just wants that promotion to Cardinal as soon as possible.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:04 PM
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4. "the arrogance of someone who believes they are right"?
:rofl:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:07 PM
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9. My thoughts exactly...
Are these people for real?

Do they realize how hypocritical they are?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:17 PM
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21. I'm beginning to think that authoritarians are always in the process of projecting
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 01:18 PM by sfexpat2000
all over the world -- that it's some kind of mechanical difference in their brains.

ETA: And it would make sense since most of them have no ability to empathize, and projection is in some ways the opposite of projection.

:)
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:11 PM
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15. Says the man who calls himself "Infallible"
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:35 PM
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32. +1
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 01:38 AM
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55. That's one from the "Takes One to Know One" file.
:eyes:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:05 PM
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5. Fugg the Vatican
Separation of church and state - get over it fascist - feudalism is history.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:05 PM
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6. Really, Archbishop Rino?
How'd you get your job, anyway? Why don't you stand for election, and we'll see what arrogance looks like.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:31 PM
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26. Just 'cause they like
to control people like the repubs? Yeah.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:07 PM
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7. They should shut their celibate mouths
Let them practice their religion and say the hell off my planet. There is so much war rape going on in Africa and other places in the world. Why should a 10 year old girl be forced to give birth to her rapists child? The Pope needs to STFU. Go back off in your own jack yard!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:12 PM
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16. Why should the rapist be forced to live in jail with food and shelter for his vicious crime?
I'm not disagreeing you re: the child (that's a sad scenario, raping a 10 year old), but such PIGS who rape and feel it's an entitlement to do so should be given the death penalty. If there's a better way to curtail them from raping again and again, I'm open to it. But rape is, in ways, worse than death. Now I cannot fully relate to rape, but I know that molestation and sexual assault are in the same area of criminal activity and those I've been a victim of firsthand. What those PIGS do DOES affect peoples' lives. Permanently. They are a waste of food and water.

Even drug users caught and jailed are sometimes given worse treatment than rapists. That is the most ridiculous aspect of them all. (I'm not against legalizing drugs, I'm for making the punishment fit the crime.)


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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:07 PM
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8. Breaking: TWiley accuses the Vatican of Ignorance
Who gives a royal holy shit what these a-holes think anyway? I see little redeeming value in ANY religious organization.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:08 PM
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10. the vatican is a shining example of the reason to separate church and state
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:08 PM
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11. Obama is, but anybody who doesn't think like the pope is not?
:eyes:

Hey, we SHOULD be teaching our children to abstain. But contingency planning isn't bad either. But teaching self-respect, respect for others, an ounce of prevention vs a pound of cure - the religious are so hung up over "ABSTINENCE ONLY, RAH RAH RAH!" that they forget the underlying reasons FOR it in the first place.

I don't dig one night stands, and some people ultimately will do, but the Vatican is vacant on this issue.

Never mind the life the pro-born endure right now; when will Merry Pope-ins talk about the thievery going on in Wall Street?
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:09 PM
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12. "the arrogance of someone who believes they are right"?
Oh boy. It's really just painful to watch the Stupid, isn't it?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:09 PM
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13. They suffer from an Irony Deficiency.
The Pope and the Vatican can shove their opinions up their asses.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:10 PM
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14. "the arrogance of someone who believes they are right"
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 01:13 PM by kineta
in⋅fal⋅li⋅ble
   /ɪnˈfləbəl/ adjective

4. Roman Catholic Church. immune from fallacy or liability to error in expounding matters of faith or morals by virtue of the promise made by Christ to the Church.

:rofl:
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Sandrine for you Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:13 PM
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17. Pope: Go fuck yourself stupid arrogant asshole !! nt
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:15 PM
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18. The Catholic Church
calling anyone is arrogant is kinda like Michael Vick calling someone out for hitting their dog with a rolled up newspaper after an accident.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:16 PM
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19. The Pope can take that crucifix of his and. . .well. . .
(I'll leave that to your imagination)

:evilgrin:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:16 PM
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20. Hey kettle, the pot is calling
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Belial Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:17 PM
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22. I don't see how this is really news to anyone.. I mean..
What the hell did you expect them to say? "Woo Hoo!!"
:toast:
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:18 PM
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23. Vatican projects their own arrogance on Obama. Throws fit. n/t
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:29 PM
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24. Trouble for Mexican Women
I don't know for sure, but I suspect that the Vatican is pulling out all the stops to influence the heavily traditional Catholic Maexican population, where monies are being freed up for clinics that support all kinds of women's health issues, including reproductive rights. And I don't know, but I imagine they might be willing to play on what racism they can by using the word "arrogant."

They didn't get to be the Vatican by accident.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:30 PM
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25. As fi the concept of "we strive to protect all of human life" isn't a huge arrogance in and of itsel
I'm tired of this hypocricy surrounding the phrase "protection of human life" and all the sactimony that accompaines it...
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:33 PM
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27. He needs to take up Holocaust denial in order to win their respect.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:33 PM
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28. How does someone who calls himself god's infallible messenger on Earth call someone else "arrogant?"
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:34 PM
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29. Pope rehabilitates Bishop Holocaust denier.
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict Saturday rehabilitated a traditionalist bishop who denies the Holocaust, despite warnings from Jewish leaders that it would seriously harm Catholic-Jewish relations and foment anti-Semitism.

The Vatican said the pope issued a decree lifting the excommunication of four traditionalist bishops who were thrown out of the Roman Catholic Church in 1988 for being ordained without Vatican permission.

One of the four bishops, the British-born Richard Williamson, has made a number of statements denying the full extent of the Nazi Holocaust of European Jews, as accepted by mainstream historians.

In comments to Swedish television broadcast Wednesday, he said "I believe there were no gas chambers" and only up to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps, instead of six million.



Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKTRE50N1992009 ...

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:34 PM
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30. If Obama had overturned the ban on sex with little boys, they'd stand up and cheer. n/t
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:51 PM
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46. No shit!!! These people are unbelieveable.
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:34 PM
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31. Calling the kettle black..
That's rich coming from the Catholic Church. Oh brother.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:44 PM
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33. Fuck the Catholic Church and the Pope. And I was born and raised Catholic. Enough!
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J-Lo Biafra Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:51 PM
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35. Yet the Vatican unapologetically sits on some of the biggest stolen wealth in the world.
Talk about arrogant; and I say this as a (sort of lapsed)Catholic.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:58 PM
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36. Let's see.. A guy with Nazi ties in his past, who's in charge of an organization
that hoards wealth while demanding tithes from its poorest members, encourages those same poor people to have enormous families they cannot support, and this same organization turns a blind eye to the molestation of altar boys, then plays "musical pervert", by sending the offending priests to another unsuspecting parish? ...that organization? that organization does not "approve" of OUR new president??

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:22 PM
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41. Rich Church, Poor People -- great post--!!
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 02:22 PM by defendandprotect
We have to disconnect the churches from any access to taxpayer dollars ---


that's "arrogance" . . . !!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:19 PM
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39. ...but there is no arrogance in the Vatican's self-proclaimed male superiority . . . !!!???
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 02:20 PM by defendandprotect
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:21 PM
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40. And lying to people about the effectiveness of condoms is not arrogant?
Fucking Vatican.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:23 PM
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42. Arrogance....
Some of us just won't stay in our rightful places. That's the same arrogance they used when they wouldn't marry me and my husband because I was pregnant. 21 years and 2 kids later we're still together. Just to let them know my "sin" is an honor student in college and me and hubby still love each other.

Enough!!!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:16 PM
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44. Yep. If you don't like abortions you should want them to be as rare as possible.
Not to mention all the other health problems that come to a woman who has 20 kids. Especially if they are poor.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:25 PM
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45. This Pope is an evil shit bag nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:53 PM
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47. The Vatican can kiss my ass
I am not a Catholic because I do not ascribe to their views nor do I condone the pedophilia that is rampant in their church.
Arrogance, indeed.
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shintao Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:58 PM
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48. Step up to the plate Vatican!!!
If they want to sell off their stockpiles of gold for food to feed families, I am sure planned parenthood could back off efforts to abort fetuses in a safe & sane manner.
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 12:04 AM
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50. This is rich, coming from the Vatican.
Yeah, and arrogance isn't knowingly shipping pedophilic priests around in different diocese to molest children and then trying to assert some moral highground.

Someone pinch me when I should start giving a damn.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 12:06 AM
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51. This coming from the people that took a few centuries
to admit the earth revolves around the sun.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 12:15 AM
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52. Hey, Vatican...
SIT YOUR ASSES DOWN!


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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 01:36 AM
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53. Man, those folks really need to look in a mirror
without preening and admiring their dress-up costumes. Not that that is possible for them, of course. "Obama's arrogant, and I AM THE ONE TRUE DOG'S REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH!!! so what I say cannot be questioned."

That takes unwitting irony to the level of high Dada.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 01:37 AM
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54. Pot meet kettle
I mean really the idea of taking family planning advice from a bunch of men who are supposed to be celibate?

That's like taking career advice from the neighborhood crack head.

Regards

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 03:31 AM
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56. Ratso continues to show himself The Evil BushPope.
I think the REAL 3rd prophecy of Fatima, that minions of Satan would find their way into the highest ranks of the Church at the time of the millenium and beyond, has quite come true now, it seems to me.
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