The whole point of Gitmo & the other 'black sites' was to torture Muslims publicly

[Philosoraptor]

And that's all. Everyone knows that anything confessed under torture is probably not true, as the tortured will say anything to stop the pain.

bush and cheney merely wanted to say that 'America does not torture' based on the semantic trick and tortured logic that the torture is not occurring 'on our soil', but offshore.

cheney and bush and the neo cons simply wanted to be able to torture Muslims in public with no interference. The whole point was to show the Muslim world that we will torture them all whenever we please.

republicans absolutely drool when they discuss torturing Muslims.

Why didn't they torture little timmy mcveigh before they executed HIS terrorist ass? At least he got a fair trial and a lawyer and family visits. Oh yeah, that was BEFORE the torture president 'took' office.

Racist torture. In it's ugliest form, and in our name. All Gitmo and the other black sites were ever about was the neo cons bizarre, almost sexually perverted desire to torture Muslims with total abandon, with no ramifications, with no prosecution, they simply wanted to show the world that America tortures Muslims, and no others.

Thank God Obama is stopping the insanity and restoring some honor to our name.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. Ya think it was designed to strike fear into some of the malcontents

who are pissed off for one reason or another?? Look at it another way... if for some reason they've had enough... enough of whatever (in their mind's eye) fear pretty much goes out the window. Now the ones in Pakistan who are being evaporated by remote control... they probably are afraid... and their military tribunals or court hearings will be much less expensive than the ones at Gitmo.

[FatDave]

15. Isn't there a word for usiung violence to incite fear in a population?

What's the word? It's right on the tip of my tongue....

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. Don't say it. n/t

[Maat]

2. Well, it was obvious to me it was about Darth C and his cohorts sending some kind of message ...

I just had this persistent internal debate going on ... as to what we were really talking about.

I've always felt that the message mandated submissiveness (whole and complete) to the agenda and practices of ... The Powers That Be.

[EOTE]

3. ALMOST sexually perverted? Is that almost really necessary? NT

[stillcool]

9. they used a lot of sexual perversion...

as part and parcel of the torture package. But then, rape is always popular in war.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

4. McVeigh was executed on Bush's watch. Remember that new evidence was turned up, then

promptly ignored by the Bush Administration, and McVeigh was then put to death?

[malaise]

Imperialism gone mad

and all out rage against Muslims (to steal their resources).

[malaise]

5. dupe, please delete

[KG]

6. just like airport security, wiretapping, etc, part of a massive psy ops to see what USains would

put up with in their to allay their fears.

[Kashka-Kat]

7. Yep, its "shock doctrine" in action, a message directed not only at Muslims but we so-called

"terrorist sympathizers". I doubt if I'm the only one who connected all the dots and understood implicitly that if they chose to, anti-war activists could be defined as "terrorist sympathizers" at the discretion of the president -- and renditioned to some gulag somewhere....

[Kitty Herder]

8. You speak truth.

We all knew, on some level, that if they could do it to Muslims, they could do it to anybody. It was a none-too-subtle threat--Lick our boots, or you could be in Gitmo, too.

[formercia]

10. The Siegleman and Lindauer prosecutions had the same purpose

and that was to terrorize people and to stifle dissent. Behave or this will happen to you too.

[salinen]

11. Torturing

is neccessary to continue the illusion that the "War on Terror" is justified.

[deaniac21]

12. They would have infected them with polio if they could.

[arcadian]

13. I was thinking about this today and I think you are correct.

It's a way to project America's military might. they wanted it leaked. they wanted people to know.

[mmonk]

14. Yes, torture's main purpose to inject fear in a population & produce false confessions, not to gain

actionable intelligence.

[jgraz]

16. Obama restores NO honor until the torturers have been brought to justice

This is one case where "forgive and forget" cannot be tolerated.