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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:05 PM
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Poverty in America: Remember EVERYTHING MLK Stood For
Edited on Sun Jan-18-09 05:19 PM by dajoki
What do you think of when you hear the name Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.? You probably remember the "civil rights movement", or the peaceful way in which he led such a large revolution, or the march on Washington D.C., where at the Lincoln Memorial Dr. King gave one of the greatest, and most famous speeches in American History. He started by saying saying he was there to "cash a check" for "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" but warned fellow protesters not to "allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force." And he finished this most inspiritational speech so elegantly with: "And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, 'Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, we are free at last.'"

This year Martin Luther King Day means something even more important and more special, for the first time in our history, Tuesday, January 20, 2009 we will inaugurate an African-American as President of the United States!! We have certainly come a long way since that August day back in 1963 when Dr. King proclaimed "I have a dream," but not far enough. I think we can all agree that even with the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency, racism and poverty still have deep roots in our nation. Yes, that's right, poverty, the other "great cause" of Martin Luther King Jr., if you don't remember that, don't worry, because it is something we are rarely, if ever, reminded of. Every year in mid-January, around the time of Martin Luther King's birthday, we get obligatory media reports about "the slain civil rights leader." What is truly amazing is that you see or hear nothing about the last few years of his life, its as if they didn't exist. What we do see is the same footage of Dr. King in Birmingham in 1963; the march in D.C., about which I spoke above, also 1963; Selma, Alabama in 1965; and finally, that motel balcony in Memphis, 1968. Why is there such a gap in those final years? Most of those speeches were filmed and yet we do not see them!!

With the passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts and the winning of the Nobel Peace Prize all behind him, he was determined to conquer his other great cause, poverty. Seeing that a majority of Americans living in poverty were white, King developed a class perspective. He called for "radical changes in the structure of our society" to redistribute wealth and power. "True compassion," King said, "is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." Despite many of his closest friends and advisors warning him against it, with the media no longer his ally and the FBI's increased harrassment, he proceeded to criss-cross the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that he called, the "Poor People's Campaign." He spent what would be his last months planning a new march on Washington, this time for "human rights" and "economic rights," "a poor people's bill of rights." King's economic bill of rights called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities. He felt the need to confront Congress, which had shown its "hostility to the poor," appropriating "military funds with alacrity and generosity," but providing "poverty funds with miserliness."

More than 40 years after that night in Memphis, doesn't that sound familiar today? The Media, Congress, The White House, all conspiritors in allowing the blight of poverty and homelessness, to not only remain the shame of this nation, but to, I dare say "delight" in it. With the onset of the "Civil Rights Movement" and the "War on Poverty" 45 years ago, I ask, are we any better off today on either front? Yes, we have elected a black man as President, and that may give one reason to hope. But a walk through any inner city, a drive through Appalachia or a trip across rural America with its many small towns and rolling farmlands, a conversation with any of the people you happen to come upon, will show one exactly what is wrong in this country and how difficult a job is awaiting our new President and Congress. Will they have the compassion and fortitude to take on this overwhelming project? And more importantly, will WE have the will to press for change in poverty, because when it comes right down to it, it's not about Obama, or Congress, or the Media, it's about US. WE'VE accepted poverty and homelessness for so long... are WE going to DEMAND that it change? For the sake of the survival of this nation, we ALL better prepare for the struggle ahead, and NO excuse can be accepted!! As Dr. King said, "There is nothing new about poverty. What is new is that we now have the techniques and the resources to get rid of poverty. The real question is whether we have the will."

Posted with permission of peoplesing.org
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:09 PM
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1. K&R!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:17 PM
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4. Thanks smokey nj...
people often forget that MLK was also a fighter for poverty as well as civil rights. In 1968 we lost two of the greatest poverty advocates in our history, RFK and MLK.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:11 PM
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2. Fantastic
Wonderful job, Dajoki! K & R
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:14 PM
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3. Thanks Mary...
Notice that both Poverty in America articles are going.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:32 PM
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9. Two for one!
Elegant writing, btw, as a friend would say!!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:41 PM
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12. Right back at ya!!
as a friend would say!!:hug:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:18 PM
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5. K&R
Sadly, I think the Ruling Class DOES 'delight in it.' So convinced are they of their superiority.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:24 PM
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6. I absolutely believe they do...
what other reason could they have for not doing anything about the problem? :shrug:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:52 PM
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15. YEs, passively , if not actively.
we are a very sad society... :cry:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:30 PM
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7. Honored to get this to the Greatest Page
"Compassion and fortitude... the will to press for change in poverty."

That's exactly what it will take.

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:39 PM
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11. And we must not back down!!
:fistbump:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:32 PM
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8. K&R
:thumbsup:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:38 PM
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10. K&R
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:49 PM
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13. K&R.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:58 PM
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36. Thanks!
That's a nice banner you're wearing. ^_^

:yourock:
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:12 AM
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67. Thank!
You also rock!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:49 PM
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14. "more than flinging a coin to a begger" !!!! Justice, not charity!
We need such a strong voice today?!!

Thanks for this! :hug:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:57 PM
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17. We all need to use our strongest voice!!
We all have one, and for those without, or who are marginalized we have to give our voice twice!!
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:56 PM
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16. K&R
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:58 PM
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18. that's a wonderful graphic--Martin would approve!
:applause:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:05 PM
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19. Thank you MartyL...
for that graphic!!:hi:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:09 PM
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20. Yes, very powerful graphic. I feel sick to my stomach when I think...
about what is shown here, but it is vitally important that people realize this. I love the quotation from Dr. King.

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:16 PM
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25. The Truth will set us free...
if we keep saying it, and we gotta, and not avoid it, regardless how sick it makes us feel...:hug:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:13 PM
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23. I'll second Bobbie's opinion.
That is a wonderfully effective graphic.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:29 PM
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30. Very illustrative graphic.
Thanks for posting it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:09 PM
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21. A nation is no better than how it treats those with the least.

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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:12 PM
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22. kick
"is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:15 PM
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24. The African American host on CNN just said it was disrespectful to call him
MLK ... that one should use his full name. WTF?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:16 PM
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26. He's the reason for the season!
It's a birthday for the nation to celebrate... and remember... and agitate for FULL justice!

:patriot:
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:23 PM
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29. Does that mean you agree that initials are insulting? JFK, LBJ etc?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:31 PM
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31. One man's opinion but
I think using text initials is different than verbally saying initials, and rarely hear that, except with LBJ, when at a forum like this, its a space saver. Nuff said? :)
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:32 PM
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32. By that logic...
using FDR, JFK, RFK are also disrespectful. I'm not buying it!!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:28 AM
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65. He's a host on CNN. Who cares what he says?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:17 PM
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27. K & R
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:17 PM
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28. Here's the 20th. I am very appreciative of your bringing this up here again.
His movement has been co-opted by the parasites to foster further division. He did speak on these issues and recognized them as the real cause of our sickness. Inequity is the root cause of most of the problems we face today.

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." - Lord Acton


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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:32 PM
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33. Every time I read his words
I am reminded of what we lost - and why it was taken from us.

He died before I was born, yet I still mourn his passing as one of my own.

You're right - this IS about us - and yet I'm thankful for those who have shown us the way.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 07:21 PM
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37. We lost two great ones...
in 1968, MLK and RFK.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 07:50 PM
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41. We lost over 50,000 great ones in the 60s.
:cry:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:28 PM
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48. amen
Let us not forget...
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:20 AM
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72. And history seems to be repeating itself n/t
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:37 PM
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34. we now have the techniques and the resources to get rid of poverty
As you said Dajoki, "no excuse can be accepted", we have to work on this, still blown away by your eloquent and passionate post!! :loveya: :yourock:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:24 AM
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74. Its Dr. King's eloquence...
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 08:25 AM by dajoki
and you KNOW where the passion comes from!! :grouphug: :loveya:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:02 PM
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139. and your elegance!!
Great job despite your disclaimer!! :pals:
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 06:37 PM
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35. K&R! n/t
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 07:22 PM
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38. Credit is always given to Dr. King's bravery, but not his brilliance
he proceeded to criss-cross the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that he called, the "Poor People's Campaign."

That is exactly right. Dr. King had the vision and foresight to recognize that his struggle included others beyond those in his immediate circle and he made a point, a CONCERTED EFFORT to bring about as vast a coalition as he could to get things done.

Brilliant man. It is no wonder that his name, his story and his work are legend and will be spoken of as long as there are people to speak them.

But a walk through any inner city, a drive through Appalachia or a trip across rural America with its many small towns and rolling farmlands, a conversation with any of the people you happen to come upon, will show one exactly what is wrong in this country and how difficult a job is awaiting our new President and Congress.

Absolutely. Beautifully said. Happy to rec.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 07:27 PM
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39. Ditto everything that you say. n/t
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 08:36 PM
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43. Thank you very much for the kind words n/t
:hi:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 07:49 PM
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40. Kick
:bounce:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 08:10 PM
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42. Thank you for posting this. k+r, n/t
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 08:37 PM
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44. You are very welcome!!
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 08:53 PM
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45. I love Dr. King, as you can see by my username.
I love that he fought for everyone who was beaten down.

Thank you so much for posting this, dajoki.

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:41 AM
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80. And a GREAT username is I Have A Dream!!
:fistbump:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 08:54 PM
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46. Part of the will means
Edited on Sun Jan-18-09 09:04 PM by undergroundpanther
not listening to the rich when THEY beg, ignoring the bankers and loan shark creditors as they whine.

It will mean saying NO more, rich people, you have had more than ENOUGH..for too long.

We have to share,and isn't sharing one of the first lessons we learn?
Might have gone like this scenario in the case of two brothers...

Mom's voice says "Joe, Bobby wants to play with the red truck now." Joe still refuses to hand over the truck. Mom's voice again, "JOE!you have been playing with that truck for two hours all to yourself." "Joe, share the red truck with Bobby!".
What would mom do to keep the peace? She maybe would take the truck from Joe's hands,give it to Bobby and hand Joe another toy,warning Joe to let Bobby play with it now.

Yet even as adults some in charge of vast corporations not doing any work but watching their bank account get fatter are like Joe. The richest people haven't HAD to learn that sharing lesson,for everything they wanted was given to them.. and so they never learned WHY it is vital we all learn to share with one another.

Some of the richest people haven't learned the lessons that challenge two year olds yet.And since they are adults we cannot talk to them like two year olds it will 'offend them'.And they will cover their ears and say LALALA, very much like the media does when poverty issues are discussed.Because being born in a rich household that has more than enough,NOBODY in that home or that neighborhood ever had to associate with people in the lower classes except maybe a maid or gardener admonished by their managers to kiss ass of the rich owners..So none of these silver spoon children has had to face the reality that MADE people learn it was OK to share with each other as children.And so predictably, the rich don't share as adults,unless it benefits themselves some way, or they fear sharing..And so they tell lies everywhere like, they are better than us,chosen by god or they claim to be entitled or elites.
It is all a big excuse for the rich to keep their selfishness.

We must teach the adult child rich to share,and give them consequences if they do not.We have to"re-parent" them. Rich adult children they will throw temper tantrums like two year olds in an adult style,Because they never had the necessity to have to grow up.
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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:59 PM
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53. This is very true.
I like your analogy very much. You're exactly right. They DO act like spoiled children. And every child must eventually learn that tantrums and bad behaviour are not rewarded. It's past time they learned to share.



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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:51 PM
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136. And part of that saying NO! is about the taxes, and refusing to let them have their way!
Hannah Bell laid it out here, and it's time we started paying attention to detail, and say NO!! loud and clear!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4800489
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:18 PM
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47. Big Kick
front page dajoki!!
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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:29 PM
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49. His words still ring true
I'm too young to remember, but his words still have power. We need people like Dr. King to speak for us and to lead us. And, most of all, to inspire us.


Thank you, dajoki. I learned a lot from article. Very well written.



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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:44 PM
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50. Thank you very much Tindalos...
and I learned a lot writing it.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:49 PM
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51. Watching Tom Brokaw's "King" on History Channel right now
When he talked about King going to Chicago and chose the issues of better housing, better education and jobs to work on, all I could think about was how those were the same issues Obama was still trying to improve when he went to Chicago thirty years later. It made me sad on a day when I have been so up after watching the concert and the MSNBC Obama biography.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:57 PM
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52. why was Dr. King in Memphis?
Another part of the story that is being erased from public awareness.



Does History Matter?

Memphis showed the intersection of civil rights and workers’ rights. Dr. King was in Memphis in early 1968 because of a strike by African American workers. These public workers took care of Memphis’ garbage. And in return, Memphis treated them like garbage. Their wages were atrocious. There were no benefits, no vacation and no pension.

On Jan. 31, 1968, it rained. Black sewer workers were sent home without pay. The next day, Feb. 1, the cold rain continued. There were no indoor facilities for Black sanitation workers. Two of them sat inside the back of a garbage truck to stay dry. Old and poorly maintained, an electrical short in its wiring caused the compressor to start running. Echol Cole and Robert Walker were crushed to death. Ten days later the union held a mass meeting, where the members voted to strike. The slogan of the Memphis strike was a simple one. The slogan was: “I am a man.” The Memphis strike was a strike for dignity — dignity as African Americans and dignity as workers.

Dr. King understood the close connection between the African American struggle and the struggle of labor. “Negroes are almost entirely a working people,” he said. “Our needs are identical with labor’s needs.” The mayor of Memphis told one and all that the strike was “illegal.” I don’t know if he called the strikers “thugs,” but he might have.


http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/10618/
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 10:17 PM
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54. right on
thank you

That strike was pivotal, and we can learn a lot still from this history lesson.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 11:38 PM
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58. Thank you for this grear information...
We need to be reminded of these stories more often, because if we are not, a big part of Dr. King's struggle for human rights and economic rights will be slowly erased from memory.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 10:23 PM
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55. I remember it well ..
Edited on Sun Jan-18-09 10:23 PM by defendandprotect
and MLK, Jr.'s astonishing courage and insight -- leadership

And even more so now understanding after his death the threats to him and

his family not from common racists but from J. Edgar Hoover and his fascist

leadership in heading the FBI.

"Gestapo tactics" and "blackmail" many in government called those practices.

called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities.

Needed even more now.

Standing against unjust and insane war ... still an example for us all now.


His voice and his speeches stll stir and still make me cry --!!

"Violence breeds nothing but more violence" --
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 11:54 PM
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60. Abraham Ribicoff
"If George McGovern were president, we wouldn’t have these Gestapo tactics in the streets of Chicago."

At the 1968 Democratic National Convention, during a speech nominating George McGovern, he went off-script, saying, "If George McGovern were president, we wouldn’t have these Gestapo tactics in the streets of Chicago." Many conventioneers, having been appalled by the response of the Chicago police to the simultaneously occurring anti-war demonstrations, promptly broke into ecstatic applause. As television cameras focused on an indignant Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley, lip-readers throughout America claimed to have observed him shouting, "Fuck you, you Jew motherfucker."


Abraham Alexander Ribicoff (April 9, 1910–February 22, 1998) was an American politician. He served in the United States Congress and as President John F. Kennedy's Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare.

He was elected as a Democrat to the 81st and 82nd Congresses serving from 1949 until 1953. In 1952 he had an unsuccessful bid for election to fill a vacancy in the United States Senate, losing to Prescott Bush, grandfather of the current President of the United States. The Democratic Party is one of the two major political parties in the United States. ... Seal of the Senate The United States Senate is one of the two houses of the Congress of the United States, the other being the House of Representatives. ... Prescott Bush Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895, Columbus, Ohio – October 8, 1972, New York City) was a U.S. Senator from Connecticut and a Wall Street executive banker with Brown Brothers Harriman. ... Seal of the President of the United States The President of the United States is the head of state of the United States. ...


From 1955 to 1961 he was Governor of Connecticut, serving until he was sworn in as Secretary of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare in JFK's Presidential Cabinet. He was finally elected to the United States Senate in 1962 and served from January 3, 1963, to January 3, 1981.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Abraham-Ribicoff


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:58 AM
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66. Loved Abe Ribicoff
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 03:05 AM by defendandprotect
"If George McGovern were president, we wouldn’t have these Gestapo tactics in the streets of Chicago."

I was watching and so grateful for the acknowledgment he gave to the police brutality

-- and grateful for the tremendous bravery of the young people protesting the war.

You don't see spontaneousness and truth like Ribicoff's anymore.

Was even hard to come by then!!


And Fannie Lou Hamer -- just reading a new book about her and the notorious Segregationist

Sen. James Eastland. "The Senator & The Sharecropper"


For a brief but shockingly informative period of time there was some honesty in the

press, brought to us in large part by African Americans -- Hamer, James Baldwin,

Malcolm X -- many more -- and then the new political violence that put a stop to it.

But war goes on and on--!!!

I'm becoming more and more convinced that at the very moment they gave "The Voting Rights

Act" to AAs that they immediately began an intensified vote stealing project --

based largely on the large new computer counters the MSM used to report election results.

Their odd crashes and sudden jumps in vote counts for unpopular candidates were cause

for suspicion. Later in the 1960's, the electronic voting machines began to come in.

That provided a way to steal larger blocs of votes -- from more distant locations.

Two journalists were there to investigate...

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm


PS:-

Was it McGovern who pointed out that the polarization in America caused by the

Vietnam war was similar to that brought by the Civil War?

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:25 AM
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83. You should be writing history books...
Text books in fact, the kids aren't getting this in school...
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:20 PM
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109. just looked through one
This is off topic, but a good excuse to kick this great thread.

One of the neighborhood kids brought over a Scholastic book about Lincoln that she got at school. I was amazed at the errors, and in just 80 pages, most of which were pictures.

A few of the errors -

Lincoln did not get tired of Congress "because he was bored listening to talk about trivial matters" and quit. He had no support to run for re-election from the party because of his opposition to the Mexican War. He and Alexander Stephens from Georgia were the two Representatives to oppose Polk on the war.

Lincoln's most famous speeches were not campaign speeches, they occurred before he was nominated. This is important, because he did not say what he said in order to get elected - as implied - he was nominated in part because of what he had been saying. Candidates did not campaign for the presidency then. The Cooper Union speech was months before the nomination.

Lee was not the Confederate commander at First Mananas. Pretty serious error there.

Sherman did not destroy Richmond. His troops were never in Richmond. Most of the damage to Richmond was done by retreating Confederates.

Grant broke through the Confederate lines at Petersburg, not Richmond. (actually south and west of Petersburg, even farther yet from Richmond.)

Gettysburg was not the last time Confederate troops "set foot on northern soil." Early's offensive came much later.

Lincoln did not bring Grant to Washington to assume overall command after Vicksburg, but rather after Chattanooga.

Grant did not plan the final campaign with Lincoln, but rather with Sherman.

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:30 PM
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110. HFS!!
That is phenomenal, the ptb doesn't want us to know?? At least the AP American History Teacher at our school has the kids read the standard text plus Zinn. She's very conservative in a way, but said the kids should have several viewpoints. Thing is, when the viewpoints are based on false facts and premises as you point out here, how can we backtrack all the wrong learning???
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:40 PM
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114. Let me tell you...
Two Americas, you amaze me with your elegance with words and your in depth knowledge of the facts, a rare combo indeed!!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:12 PM
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119. notice those "mistakes" and the ideas they promote
The errors about Sherman legitimatize and normalize the destruction of cities. While Atlanta and Columbia were badly damaged, the destruction of cities was hardly Sherman's main strategy.

The misrepresentation of the time line for Lincoln's speeches reinforce the modern idea that politicians cynically will say whatever they need to say to get elected. Lincoln did not cynically say what he thought would advance his career, what he had to say was often very unpopular. He did the opposite of what modern politicians do - he brought the public over by the force of his arguments, he did not say what the people wanted to hear in order to get elected. He was elected in spite of what he said. Almost everyone in the party thought he had made a fatal political mistake with his "House Divided" speech in 1858, for example.

The omission of Lincoln's anti-war stance earlier in his career, and the price he paid for that, seriously compromises our understanding of him, as well of American history. It was the pro-slavery people who wanted the Mexican war for the purpose of increasing the territory available for the expansion of slavery.

The errors about Lincoln's war planning support the concept of a powerful "commander in chief" executive and the militarization of the government.

Various other errors romanticize Lee and the Confederacy in an odd way, I think. Davis controlled Lee and Confederate military strategy much more so than Lincoln did Grant and Union strategy, but the errors in the book give the opposite impression. Not sure what the purpose of that would be. It represents a de-politicization and romanticizing of the Confederate leadership, and a militarization and imposition of a cynical view of the political leadership of the Union. A forerunner of the modern "reverse racism" and "how dare you label me a bigot" thinking? "Reverse tyranny" or "reverse slavery" maybe?

The significance of this, and the relevance to the topic at hand perhaps lies in the similarities between how the history of the Civil War has been re-written and distorted and how story of the work of Dr. King has been re-written and distorted.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:48 PM
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140. This is in an actual history textbook? *faints*
Lincoln did not get tired of Congress "because he was bored listening to talk about trivial matters" and quit.


:wtf:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 12:32 AM
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141. right
What is the message there?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 11:17 PM
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56. This is worth multiple readings.
And it deserves lots more recs. Bring it, people!

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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 11:42 PM
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59. Seconded.
Everyone should read this.


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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 11:30 PM
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57. "...an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."
Couldn't agree more. :toast:

Julie
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:22 AM
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61. Kick for the night crew!
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:34 AM
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62. My own thread on Dr. King
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:33 PM
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111. I was going to cross post
But I see you already did, wonderful testimony...
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:58 PM
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138. That is a wonderful thread.
:hug:

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:19 AM
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63. This deserves more visibility.
:kick:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:25 AM
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64. In 1968, he started organizing the Poor People's Campaign. And they killed him.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 02:36 AM by Hannah Bell
Personally, I think the first motivated the second.

A significant part of the ruling class, contrary to popular belief, supported (& funded) the civil rights movements - one reason: its effect would be to introduce more competition for some classes of jobs, education, etc. - a disciplining force on some categories of labor.

So that was inside the pale. But a credible mass movement of the poor - black, white, etc. - no.

To me, this is the only explanation for his assassination that makes sense.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:17 AM
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68. Poor People's Campaign
Poor People's Campaign

In November 1967, Martin Luther King Jr. and the staff of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) met to discuss the direction of the movement following the passage of civil rights legislation, the emergence of Black Power, and the urban riots of the previous summer. SCLC decided to launch the Poor People's Campaign, a movement to broadly address economic inequalities with nonviolent direct action. The campaign was not launched until after King's 1968 assassination, however, and the absence of King's leadership was believed to have compromised the campaign's effectiveness. The Poor People's Campaign ended in June 1968 without making a significant impact on the nation's economic policies.

The idea for the Poor People's Campaign grew out of what King termed the "second phase" of the civil rights struggle. After the "first phase" had exposed the problems of segregation through nonviolence, King hoped to address what he called the "limitations to our achievements" with a second phase. In its ideology and style, the Poor People's Campaign demonstrated a merging of the first-phase tactics into second-phase goals. Through nonviolent direct action, King and SCLC hoped to focus the nation on economic inequality and poverty. The campaign also differed from previous SCLC campaigns in that it aimed to address the struggles of a cross-section of minority groups. "It must not be just black people," argued King, "it must be all poor people. We must include American Indians, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, and even poor whites."

SCLC planned the Poor People's Campaign to be the most massive, widespread campaign of civil disobedience yet undertaken by a movement. They aimed to bring 1,500 protesters to Washington, D.C., to lobby Congress and other governmental agencies for an "economic bill of rights." Specifically, the campaign requested a $30 billion anti-poverty package that would include a commitment to full employment, a guaranteed annual income measure, and increased construction of low-income housing. Protest activities in Washington were to be supported by simultaneous demonstrations throughout the country. Despite division within SCLC over the campaign's feasibility, King embraced the campaign and traveled across the country speaking on poverty and conducted "people-to-people tours" to recruit participants.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/poorpeoples.html
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:39 PM
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113. I call for a new Poor People's Campaign!!
Who's game???
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:43 PM
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115. Let's go for it!!
:fistbump: :applause: :loveya:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:42 PM
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123. We are the choir!!
Let the people sing about the Poor People's campaign!!! :toast: :loveya:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 06:47 PM
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129. How do you organize it?
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 06:51 PM by Hannah Bell
my thought is, organize by state for simultaneous march on all state legislatures. less expense, more participation.

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:12 PM
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130. Gotta talk about it...
Pondering...what do you think???
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:19 PM
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131. i think it would be a fun experiment. what's to lose?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:42 PM
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134. I'm totally swamped this evening/week
But I think its a great idea, you talk to others, I will too...I'll pm you when I'm less busy??
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:47 PM
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135. ok, i'll be here.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:24 AM
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69. Press conference, December 4, 1967
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 03:36 AM by Two Americas
Press conference announcing the Poor People's Campaign

December 4, 1967
Atlanta, Georgia

Ladies and gentlemen of the press, I’m going to read an opening statement which I think (tape interrupted. . .) and at the end we made a decision which I wish to announce today. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference will lead waves of the nation’s poor and disinherited to Washington, D.C. next spring to demand redress of their grievances by the United States government and to secure at least jobs or income for all. We will go there, we will demand to be heard, and we will stay until America responds. If this means forcible repression of our movement we will confront it, for we have done this before. If this means scorn or ridicule we embrace it, for that is what America’s poor now receive. If it means jail we accept it willingly, for the millions of poor already are imprisoned by exploitation and discrimination. But we hope with growing confidence that our campaign in Washington will receive at first a sympathetic understanding across our nation followed by dramatic expansion of nonviolent demonstrations in Washington and simultaneous protests elsewhere. In short, we will be petitioning our government for specific reforms and we intend to build militant nonviolent actions until that government moves against poverty.

We have now begun preparations for the Washington campaign. Our staff soon will be taking new assignments to organize people to go to Washington from ten key cities and five rural areas. This will be no mere one-day march in Washington but a trek to the nation’s capital by suffering and outraged citizens who will go to stay until some definite and positive action is taken to provide jobs and income for the poor. We are sending (tape interrupted. . .) America is at a crossroads of history and it is critically important for us as a nation and a society to choose a new path and move upon it with resolution and courage. It is impossible to underestimate the crisis we face in America. The stability of a civilization, the potential of free government, and the simple honor of men are at stake. Those who serve in the human rights movement, including our Southern Christian Leadership Conference, are keenly aware of the increasing bitterness and despair and frustration that threaten the worst chaos, hatred, and violence any nation has ever encountered. In a sense, we are already at war with and among ourselves. Affluent Americans are locked in the suburbs of physical comfort and mental insecurity. Poor Americans are locked inside ghettos of material privation and spiritual debilitation. And all of us can almost feel the presence of a kind of social insanity which could lead to national ruin. The true responsibility for the existence of these deplorable conditions lies ultimately with the larger society and much of the immediate responsibility for removing the injustices can be laid directly at the door of the federal government.

This is the institution which has the power to act, the resources to tap, and the duty to respond (tape interrupted. . .) that a clear majority in America asking for the very things which we will demand in Washington. We have learned from hard and bitter experience in our movement that our government does not move to correct a problem involving race until it is confronted directly and dramatically. It required a Selma before the fundamental right to vote was written into the federal statutes. It took a Birmingham before the government moved to open doors of public accommodations to all human beings. What we now need is a new kind of Selma or Birmingham to dramatize the economic plight of the Negro and compel the government to act. We intend to channelize the smoldering rage and frustration (tape interrupted. . .) our new Washington movement. We also look for participation by representatives of the millions of non-Negro poor: Indians, Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, Appalachian whites, and others. And we shall welcome assistance from all Americans of good will. And so we have decided to go to Washington and use any means of legitimate, nonviolent protest necessary to move our nation and our government on a new course of social, economic, and political reform.

As I said before, the power (tape interrupted. . .) the first of April as a target date. We want to spend three solid months organizing the whole nation around this matter of jobs and income and mobilizing for our move toward Washington. So we feel that the first of April will probably be the time that we will move.

Question: Can you predict what numbers you might expect?

King: Well, it’s difficult to say what numbers we will end up with. We are going to escalate it as we move. We plan to start off with a basic three thousand people. Two hundred people from each of these areas will be mobilized, trained in the discipline of nonviolence and the whole idea of jail without bail, and enlightened on everything that we are seeking to do on this question of jobs and income.

Question: What will they be doing??

King: Now these three thousand people will be a core group but that’s just the beginning. We are going right through various processes until we culminate with a massive move on Washington and that will go way up into the thousands. So it starts out with the three thousand moving on up.

Question: What will this initial group do exactly in the way of demonstrations?

King: We will choose certain target areas or targets in Washington and demonstrate around them. If we are driven away, we will continue to go back. But as far as naming these targets (tape interrupted. . .) as in federal buildings and the Congress of the United States itself.

Question: Might they include the White House?

King: Oh this is a very great possibility, yes.

Question: Dr. King, it seems from what you have said here that this movement seems to have a more militant tone about it. Would you say that this is going to be a more militant movement than ever before?

King: I would say that this will be a move that will be consciously designed to develop massive dislocation. I think this is absolutely necessary at this point. It will be massive dislocation without destroying life or property and we’ve found through our experience that timid supplications for justice will not solve the problem. We’ve got to massively confront the power structure. So this is a move to dramatize the situation, channelize the very legitimate and understandable rage of the ghetto and we know we can’t do it with something weak. It has to be something strong, dramatic, and attention-getting.

Question: You had resistance in Birmingham and also in Selma. Do you expect resistance in Washington and if so, what type?

King: Well I’m sure with the various methods that they are now using to break up demonstrations that we’ll face some of that, I imagine. We don’t know what will happen. They may try to run us out, they did it with the bonus marches you remember years ago. The army may try to run us out. We are prepared for any of this kind of resistance. We don’t go in with the feeling that there won’t be an attempt to block it because we will be engaging in civil disobedience, there’s no doubt about that.

Question: Dr. King where will the marchers stay physically? Do you intend to have a camp out at night or will they have a place to stay at night or will they be camping on some sort of federal ground at night or (word inaudible)?

King: Well, there will be various, once they get to Washington, although we can’t give any real details of the plans, but we’ll probably have people walking to Washington from ten different areas at the same time: Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia. All of these areas. (tape interrupted. . .) every night, and these things will have to be well planned. The logistics job will be a very big one. Once we get to Washington, we will probably have to deal with the whole question of tent-ins in the city of Washington, tents in various points around the city of Washington. (tape interrupted. . .)

Question: . . . presumably to prevent political embarrassment to the president, President Johnson. Is there (tape interrupted...)

King: No, this is no attempt to embarrass the president in an election (tape interrupted. . .)

Question: What effect do you think the demonstrations will have on President Johnson’s popularity?

King: Well I have no idea. I would hope that the president would respond positively and creatively. And as I said the very people who are asking for these things are his constituents, we won’t be adding anything new. The urban coalition is made up of most of the mayors of our major cities, including Republican mayors who voted for Mr. Johnson. They didn’t vote for Mr. Goldwater. Mr. McKeldin of Baltimore voted for him, he’s in the urban coalition and Mr. Lindsey of New York. It’s made up of outstanding businessmen who voted for him. So the things we’re asking for we have a consensus for and it wouldn’t hurt the president one iota politically to respond to this. So here’s an opportunity to respond to something that is politically expedient as well as morally sound and I would hope that the president would see it just this way.

Question: Do you think that if Senator McCarthy were in the White House it would be necessary to have such a protest march in Washington?

King: Well I can’t say that any one man can move in every area and provide all of the responses necessary without some kind of pressure. So I wouldn’t say that if Mr. McCarthy were in the White House it wouldn’t be necessary to bring about some pressure in order to get certain reforms. I might say on the other hand that Mr. McCarthy is an extremely able man, a man of great social vision and a great sense of history and I’m sure that he would have, he already has, great concern about urban problems, the economic problem that we face. And he has the wisdom to see that our urban domestic problems are greatly related to the tragically unjust war in Vietnam.

Question: Would you support McCarthy for president?

King: I don’t support candidates. That has not been my policy, to endorse candidates. We have a position in SCLC, as a non-partisan organization, that we don’t support candidates. So that the only thing I can say at this point is that I think that his candidacy is a good one in the sense that it will provide a national dialogue necessary on the war in Vietnam and I think it will help many people who have deep frustrations and are almost moving toward despair find a channel of expression that they so desperately need.

Question: Would you vote for Senator McCarthy?

King: I can’t say that at this point. I won’t have a chance in the primaries because he certainly won’t be in the primary in the state of Georgia where I happen to reside.

Question: Dr. King, might not this march on Washington create a backlash in an election year that might work to the detriment of the civil rights movement?

King: I don’t think so. There again, we will be nonviolent. This is going to be nonviolent dislocation. If it ever reached the point that it even led to violence on the part of the demonstrators themselves, I would call it off. So that this is a nonviolent attempt to bring these issues out into the open. Many of the things that we are asking for have already been asked for by so many others. And I don’t think there’s any backlash possibility. The only thing is we’ve got to face the fact that we have a very recalcitrant Congress that’s behind the times. It’s not even responding to its constituency and this is what we’ve got to arouse. We’ve got to get the nation moving once more around a kind of coalition of conscience that will make change possible.

Question: What makes you think that these kinds of tactics will move this recalcitrant Congress, as you call it?

King: Well they’ve done it before, these tactics have done it before and this is all we have to go on. We are following the dictates of our conscience on the one hand but certain precedents that we have behind us on the other hand.

Question: But you’ve never, you’ve never carried it to the Congress itself, to Washington before.

King: Well, we’ve carried it to Washington in a lobbying sense not in a powerful direct action sense. Now we were told when we went into Birmingham that Congress wouldn’t move. In fact I was told that we couldn’t get a public accommodations bill because of the coalition between right wing northern Republicans and southern Dixiecrats. But we did break that coalition. We were told the same thing when we went to Selma that we couldn’t get a voting rights bill that year but we did get it and it’s the same Congress. Now the difference, as you say, is that we are going directly to Congress this time with direct action as well as lobbying and we feel that this is the thing we have to do now and we hope that Congress will respond to our demands. If we fail, it will be tragic for the nation and really won’t be a failure for us, it will be a failure for America and I predict that we will sink into darker nights of chaos and social disruption. It may well mean that the curtain of doom will fall on American civilization and I have no doubt that we can’t live through another one or two summers like last summer.

Question: Dr. King you’re almost certain to get a great deal of support from anti-war people, peace forces in Washington, in this effort. Will this be the first major merger, do you see it, of people who are opposed to the war and also a civil rights force working toward a common end?

King: We’ve got to get the people who are in civil rights and the people who are in peace to dramatize both of these issues in a very significant way. But the campaign will be around jobs or income. This will be something of the slogan, “jobs or income.” And in the midst of this naturally many other things will come out, including the war in Vietnam and all of the damage that we feel that it is doing to us domestically.

Question: Well won’t it mean though that people going to protest about jobs and so forth are also in a sense protesting the war in Vietnam?

King: In a sense, there’s no doubt about that because–

Question: When in other words if someone is legitimately interested in civil rights and possibly doesn’t agree with you on Vietnam, then they would tend to be discouraged from even being (words inaudible)?

King: Oh, not at all, not at all. We would welcome the support of everybody (tape interrupted. . .)

Question: Do you think it’s possible to organize a massive demonstration of this kind of, I take it, these very people, and still somehow keep them nonviolent? Don’t you think there’s a very good chance it might get out of hand at all?

King: Well let me say three things on that. I would be the first one to admit that to act at this time is risky. That is, for the nonviolent movement to act is risky, but not to act represents moral irresponsibility. So I feel that we’ve got to do this. The second point that I would like to bring out on this particular point is that we are going to spend three months training people in the discipline of nonviolence. This is why we are taking a little time instead of just moving out as we could do right now. But first we want to take two or three months to train people in the discipline of nonviolence and we want to get a small group--and when I say small that is a two hundred core group in each city--to start with that could lead and guide other people as they assemble in larger numbers. Now the third point is this: We have found that people, however angry and bitter, will respond to nonviolence if it’s militant enough and if it’s really doing something. Last summer, when we had our open housing marches in Chicago, we had the Black Stone Rangers marching with us every day and that was the worst gang in Chicago. They were as nonviolent as anybody, they responded to the nonviolent discipline as well as anybody. When we were in the Birmingham movement, we certainly saw the same thing. In fact, every day when we had our workshops we collected knives and everything else, they turned them in (tape interrupted. . .)

Question: (words inaudible) has been working in Washington for quite some long time, walking around in the community there. Do you anticipate that he might participate with you in this program?

King: I don’t have any idea how Stokely would respond to this kind of program. I plan though to talk with all groups, all levels of leadership in all of the communities that we are planning to visit and I certainly plan to talk with the SNCC workers and the SNCC staff. And I can’t say at this point how they will respond but we would certainly want the response of everybody and we would want the support of everybody and we would demand that everybody adhere to the discipline of nonviolence. We are not going to demand that everybody believe in nonviolence as a way of life, but to participate in the demonstrations certainly our key group of people would have to be committed to nonviolence as a tactic, as a strategy for social change.

Question: Do you have a quota? How many people are you going to try to get at the most?

King: I’ll just say thousands and thousands without getting in the numbers game because we don’t know. We’ll see as we get into it, we’ll see the response, but I would say thousands and thousands of people before this campaign is over and as I said we plan to dislocate until something is done about our problem. And it will not only be a demonstration in Washington. Once we begin moving there we plan to see and develop simultaneous demonstrations in all of these cities and that may take many forms including school boycotts and everything that we can do nonviolently to really dramatize this whole problem. Thank you.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:30 PM
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133. No wonder he was considered dangerous!
I never saw this interview before.... THANKS!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:34 AM
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77. And also the reason...
the media, Congress and the White House turned against him. They could not allow a "multiracial army of poor people" taking to the streets in protest.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:27 AM
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70. kick
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:19 AM
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71. Martin Luther King Day...
:kick:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:21 AM
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73. Posting in GD is going better now than it did earlier this a.m.
So here's a kick for a great post on one of the most important calendar days of the year.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:27 AM
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75. Were you having problems too?
I thought it was just me.:hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:31 AM
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76. Hi, dajoki. No, I think GD was on the blink for a spell. I blame
Alberto Gonzales for the interruption of service.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:35 AM
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78. Me too...
and we better prosecute him for it!!:rofl:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:37 AM
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79. I'm in. How about an old-fashioned prosecution?
First, we'll need people to gather kindling in a big pile...
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:18 PM
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96. I don't it would be hard...
to find volunteers!!:hi:
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:45 AM
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81. Remembering Barbara Jordan...
http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/briggstestimony103003.html

It's a tough read and a bitter pill. But Barbara Jordan warned us all about the impact of illegal immigration. As did, curiously, Ronald Reagan. But the Republican Party liked cheap labor. And the unions liked power they believed millions of illegal immigrants would give them which they believed would result in higher wages for union members.

"What the Commission is concerned about are the unskilled workers in our society. In an age in which unskilled workers have far two few opportunities opened to them, and in which welfare reform will require thousands more to find jobs, the Commission sees no justification for the continued entry of unskilled foreign workers."

She warned us about what has happened. We have millions of employed illegal immigrants. And millions of unemployed Americans.

And when unions prevailed, the Republicans of course merely moved industry to "right to work" states and promoted "outsourcing" which has eroded the foundation of America which is its middle-class work force which supported the wealthy and the poor alike.

The wealthy have found it is much easier to support itself off the misery of the poor and we have seen the slow elimination of the middle-class. We truly are becoming two Americas. Those who have it all and those who support it all.

We should remember both Barbara Jordan and Martin Luther King today.

They both are to be remembered for their concern for their own which included everyone.

Both knew that a society that turns its back on its poor turns its back on itself.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:19 PM
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120. "We should remember both Barbara Jordan and Martin Luther King today."
Udamnwellbetcha!! :applause:

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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:25 AM
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82. "First they ignore you, then they ...
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 09:33 AM by mntleo2
laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" ~ Mahatma Gandhi (Mahatma means "great soul" because those who could see Gandhi's aura said that it was over a mile in size. You will often see something similar in paintings of saints with a "halo" because often the light surrounding an advanced soul is so obvious that even the non-gifted can "see" it).

I have found as an activist that Gandhi was right on with his 4 stages of protest when you call for change. When you get to the persecution (fighting) stage, this is the most difficult to endure and when most people give up. But as you see, it is the last stage before you win. Persecution usually means you have hit a nerve and the people who are doing the persecutions are realizing the game is over for their way if you persist.

Dr King modeled his work after Mahatma Gandhi's work, a devout Hindu. Yet Gandhi seriously contemplated the Sermon on the Mount as his "model" for non-violent resistance. He said that while the Christian church as an institution had done little to heed the words of their own prophet, Jesus was telling the truth when he said that the poor are the powerful, the most favored by God. It was too bad that the Church as a whole usually did everything in its power to silence God's beloved. But as both "great souls" prove, once this Love is realized, this is when the society powerless can find their power. While some people can see this, it is the mission of those who do to find a way to motivate their compatriots to see what they see and then move to begin creating the change. Because one person can motivate, but it takes millions working side by side to implement this change.

This is why I think Barak Obama's word "change" is so powerful to so many people. Because in order to change anything it takes an army of non-violent communities (and I use that word purposefully because it starts with people supporting each other)to begin the domino's fall.

I am saying here that it is important now to motivate all those around you to begin the hard work of convincing the rest of us (including the rich) to see that what hurts the least of us hurts us all. The rich do not see it because they do not hurt. I am not saying that anyone should hurt them because this only causes a wall of defense. But I am saying that, in order to create the change, somehow the most powerful need to understand the pain they are inflicting on others with their greed and holding onto power that they often abuse. Dr King and Mahatma Gandhi seemed to understand that showing this inflicted pain publicly was one way that changed hearts and they seem to be right but ...

How do we get an army of millions to basically show their wounds for all to see? This takes a great deal of courage! How do we do that now? I am also wanting to know ...


My 2 cents ...
Cat In Seattle
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:46 AM
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84. Thank you. Kick! :) n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:47 AM
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85. Thanks for the timely reminder.

Much more to the man than they would have us remember. Indeed, the poor are to be 'dis-remembered', except when an electoral scapegoat is needed. Out of sight, out of mind...

Civil Rights without social justice is an incomplete job.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:07 PM
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94. Yes...
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 01:07 PM by dajoki
We poor people were meant to be kept in our place, hidden from the rest of society, only to be brought out to be used for the convenience of the wealthy and the rulers.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:53 AM
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86. Dear Dajoki and All:
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 10:04 AM by mntleo2
...it is almost 7:00 AM and I am in Olympia, our state capitol, to talk to my legislators and march for peace and poverty as my newly elected president is calling us to do today for Dr King's birthday. We are meeting with people from all over the state, mostly the poor and disenfranchised, to begin the raising of conscience for justice. We must never forget that it is the poor fighting in Iraq, the poor who are the most generous and it is those of us who can set this country on a better course. I am heeding the call of MLK and all who before him sacrificed their lives to tell the Truth with a capitol "T" in order to implement this change.

So I will not be able to respond after this post or watch its growth but I want you to know it is you and the others I have been working with you all on DU for poverty issues to become a talked about issue (yes that also means you too Bobby, Jeff, and Mary!) who are my heroes. Today, with our own local "Poor People's Campaign," we may not even make a blip on the media's screen, but that is not important to me. What IS important is that we are going out there to plant the seeds. As my grandmother told me once, "The tree that comes out of a tiny seed does not become a great tall tree overnight ..." So I do not care so much about what it causes today ~ but I do care that it begins to create things for tomorrow.


Hang in there all who can keep an eye on this thread and KICK! :kick: :kick: :kick:

Love
Cat In Seattle
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:00 PM
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92. Dear Cat...
Thank YOu very much for what you are actively doing to raise the awareness of poverty, equality and justice. Maybe your one small blip and millions of other small blips, will turn into one large movement which will not be easily dismissed by ANYONE!! You are a hero!! So keep up the good work and it will begin to create things for tomorrow!! :yourock:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:03 AM
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87. We need to continue the fight
more than ever.

Social service programs have become a dirty word
in some circles of jerks and are the first to go on
the chopping block when there are budget cuts.
Just ask our state senate Republicans.

:(

We in CA are facing this with our state budget crisis.

John Chiang, our State Controller stated that if a budget
agreement is not reached by February, funding would be
cut for programs that help the blind, disabled and elderly.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/category/sacramento/john-chiang/

The homeless aren't even mentioned!

It's really sickening.


-------------------------------
To Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

an outstanding leader in the fight against discrimination and poverty.

:toast:
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:34 AM
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88. We have the will!
Look into the future with hope and determination!. K&R! :dem: :dem: :dem:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:28 AM
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89. When people aren't broke, they can defend their rights better.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 12:26 PM by Waiting For Everyman
If you look at the footage of the first march on Washington, the people were carrying signs saying "We Want Jobs". It was about being the underclass - not just about civil rights, but about economic participation and equality. Civil rights wasn't an "end in itself" so much as a means to an end - what did people want to DO with those rights? They wanted to be part of American life, fully and not separately - to live in the same good neighborhoods and go to the same good schools, and advance just as much in life. That takes economic parity, which is what civil rights were meant to achieve. Ending poverty was always a co-primary goal of Dr. King's, along with civil rights. And you're right, his strong stand against poverty is always ignored, isn't it?

Today, on his birthday, it's more fitting than anything else could be, to bring that back into focus.

The garbage workers' strike he gave his life for, wasn't about the workers being predominately black, it was for economic justice for all, of all races. He was a labor leader that day, rather than a civil rights leader. And he knew about the death threats. He was well aware of them, in that specific location, at that time. He considered the cause too important, and his presence in support of it too necessary, to put his own individual safety ahead of it. We have his own words and thoughts on that. He knew it was important to that cause for him to be there EVEN WITH the death threats.

Today, there are more poor whites than poor of any other ethnic group. If Dr. King were alive today, I know good and well he would be continuing the struggle against poverty just as he did then. As he knew and said then, we have a class problem, not just a race problem.

The corporatists don't care who they're persecuting as long as they have a large number of people to be their underpaid labor force. This issue of poverty is where the rubber meets the road today. It is THE primary issue IMO. It's especially egregious today because we have dropped so far backward from where we were when Dr. King died. At that time, the disparity between rich and poor was at a low point, even though conditions were still bad; today the disparity is overwhelming. We have a HUGE undertaking now to make up this lost ground and progress beyond where we were then.

When people have economic justice, they can look after their civil rights - they have the money and leisure time to be active politically. One of the reasons why civil rights was pushed so far in the '60s, was the fact that the middle class was so strong then and had a conscience... for those among us who were NOT yet ok. That was the conscience Dr. King tapped into, to have the groundswell following he did, among both black AND white... just as PE Obama has now too.

Now, we have a similar opportunity or crossroads in front of us. Except that now, the middle class is weakened. But maybe now it is starting to awaken the same way it did before, but out of necessity and its own survival this time. Obama's election and his leadership in involving people again in community action provides this opportunity. And I believe that the nation as a whole will rise to it. As in Dr. King's day about civil rights, this issue has to build into a consensus momentum, it doesn't spring into existence full-formed. And this is the primary reason why I think we need to give PE Obama a chance. He knows how to do this, he is after all a community organizer, and I believe he WILL lead us to do this... organize ourselves, to change poverty in America once and for all, for all of us.

It will take some time. But it most of all takes DETERMINATION and FOCUS and INSISTENCE on changing it. That, we can supply now, and steadily continuing forward - as it has to be.

Thanks OP, and to all the posters in this poverty series. You're all doing a bangup job on this! And as you pointed out, awareness of these issues really needs more highlighting. And misconceptions created by decades of propaganda need uprooting with facts, as the writers of this series are doing.

As we mark this historic progress since 1963 which we're so aware of with this inauguration, we need to as we were doing then, always reach back and bring forward those who are still today, as then, impoverished and forgotten among us. And if we could do THAT, really "complete the mission" this time and eliminate class impoverishment too, then we would have something the world wants to emulate. Then we would be back on the side of justice, to advance that same cause everywhere in the world for all people. It CAN be done. This isn't something impossible. All it takes is the right priorities... "butter" instead of "guns".

It's really time for us to go back to where we had advanced to on economic justice in Dr. King's time in the '60, and take up again the goal we had then of ending poverty in America, which Dr. King, and Bobby Kennedy, and yes even Lyndon Johnson advanced. This economic nightmare started with the diversion and waste of the VN war (and its successors), and its time we got our heads back on straight and move in a positive direction again.

We used to at least know that poverty was the target issue; now even that is unclear. The poor didn't advance with the middle class over the last four decades, they got left behind. They need the most help now. And the BIG REASON why our economy is faltering is that they have been shut out of it. Too many are too poor to participate. It's hurting all of us now, it's time to wake up and do something significant about it. Did you know that even most of the low-cost housing we had decades ago is now vanished? (Section 8s have expired, been privatized, or demolished). We have a lot of work to do to rebuild, and most of the focus of it needs to be on the poorest among us. We have a lot of neglect and abuse to make up for and reverse. It's in the interest of all of us, not just the poor, that's what we need to understand most of all.

A rising tide really does raise all boats. It still does - as long as there is a level playing field among all participants. We can't do better as individuals and go on our merry way, leaving a third of our population behind. A bill eventually comes due for that, and we're paying it now - it's cause and effect, not even a matter of morality. It won't get better until we turn around and go back the way we came here. And then keep going. But to accomplish that this time will take a clear understanding among our whole population about where we want to go. It has to be clear enough that people won't be talked out of it halfway there by RWers again.


edit to add: Here's the problem, the source of the opposition we're ALL up against. Maybe a better understanding of THAT would open some peoples' eyes too. "The Corporation"...

Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3969792790081230711

Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7365345393244917682

Notice the irony especially on this day, MLK's birthday... the corporatists' first tool they used to leverage their domination over us was the 14th Amendment! The corporations claimed to themselves the protections meant for freed slaves. And now we have this legacy of economic slavery from it. How sick is that?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:25 PM
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97. That is...
just EXCELLENT and very informative and TRUE!! Thank you Waiting For Everyman!! :hi:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:10 PM
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103. Thanks, dajoki!
I really appreciate your OP and this thread, and its timing is PERFECT! :hi:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:36 PM
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90. And another kick for good measure.
:kick:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:50 PM
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91. A kick for a new vision, which itself kicks in tomorrow around noon or so.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:16 PM
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108. Coincidentally...
tomorrow, 1/20/2009 is my wife and my 30th wedding anniversary!! What a great way to celebrate!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 05:12 PM
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125. dajoki, whoa. Tomorrow? Congratulations!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 06:35 PM
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127. Thank you Old Crusoe!!
:party: :toast:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:00 PM
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93. I find it REALLY interesting (and not in a good way) that both MLK and RFK
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 01:09 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
were assassinated after they started talking about economic injustice in this country. Although I lived through those years as a teenager, I never thought about that fact until I saw the second half of Eyes on the Prize. Running for president was OK, desegregating lunch counters was OK, but questioning the economic system that keeps the rich rich and the poor poor? Bang, you're dead!

When I realized that (it was the middle of the Bush Sr. administration), I just started sobbing for what might have been. What if we as a nation had taken economic justice seriously in 1968?

I think that's why 1968 looms so large in the minds of everyone who lived through it. It's not the music (although the music was great) or the movies or anything else so trivial. It was the time when America went seriously wrong by listening to Nixon's promises of law and order and allowed the promise of the Great Society to wither away, now that there were no more national figures to speak up for the interests of the poor and marginalized, only demagogues telling middle class white people how neglected they were.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:11 PM
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95. That is a question...
that I also ask myself. Where would we be now if MLK and RFK would have lived? I know it would be a much better place than we are in now!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:36 PM
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99. I agree. I was around for both of those assassinations.. Strange times.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 01:37 PM by BrklynLiberal
We were all so naive, so easily misled, so unaware of what was REALLY going on around us.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 06:43 PM
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128. People are taught to believe leaders are better, smarter,
have everyone's best interests at heart.

And for the most part, we believe it.

It burns to understand how people's decency can be used against them.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:41 PM
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100. agree. & within 12 years, we got reagan/bush.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:01 PM
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107. From what could have been...
to what we got in such a short period of time is so horribly sad.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:05 PM
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101. You're definitely on the right track.... add to that...
John Edwards speaking up strongly against the corporations... speech after speech, all across the nation. That was his main theme.

"THEY" are more sophisticated now.. the don't have to "off" a renegade.. they have more polished ways of getting rid of 'em.

:cry:

Our nation is very ill.... :cry:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:21 PM
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106. Very true.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 02:23 PM by Waiting For Everyman
I think too that was the reason for the MLK and RFK assassinations, and I agree with everything you wrote.

The VN war machine was ramped up after JFK's assassination, and it wasn't going to be deprived of its loot just because most of us could see a better quality of life within reach. It's sad though because we WERE close, and were set back so far. I've often wondered what our world would be like now, if we hadn't lost those three crucial leaders and also the promising lives ended in VN. We'd probably never stop crying if we could see how much better off we'd be now.

(Somehow I missed your response dajoki, but clearly we were thinking alike.)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:50 PM
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117. "we'd never stop crying...." Yes. Those lossses were huge, and led to so much loss of life.
How many more contributions to our society would there be if MLK and RFK had lived out their leaderships, and poverty were severely curtailed?

Think of all the talent that has been squandered because poverty has kept so many down! :cry: indeed!
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:58 AM
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164. I'll have to check out "Eyes on the Prize" from my local library.


"both MLK and RFK were assassinated after they started talking about economic injustice in this country."

Yeah, they were talking about REAL change, which really upset TPTB.




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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:35 PM
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98. K&R for MLK Jr
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:07 PM
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102. What the MSM won't be playing today
As long as M.L.King was talking about a few black folks voting, he was only a target of mostly white bigots.



But...

As soon as he started questioning the perpetual war and a corrupt capitalist economic system expanding inequality -- he was taken out.

If you want to hear what Martin was about, go here!

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/19/dr_martin_luther_king_jr_1929

Video, Audio and Print...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:20 PM
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105. You're so very right! And thank you so much!
We need to educate ourselves, and discuss these very real things, instead of allowing ourselves to get sidetracked!

:yourock: Thanks!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:35 PM
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112. Hear, hear!!
And we need to be the press!! Tell the truth far and wide, whenever you have the chance!!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:47 PM
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116. You have a head start on being the press, Mary!
:loveya: :yourock:
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:35 PM
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122. Bingo. He was a strong critic of capitalism and imperialism, and he's been dumbed down
I hate that this gets erased, watered down. He was getting to the root of the problem: how hate is tied up with perpetual war and capitalism, and how that is what we must fight.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #102
137. exactly right!
And the same evil bastards that did it are still in power...and are now even more brazen...

THIS is the only way to heal our nation
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:15 PM
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104. k&r
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:07 PM
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118. thanks, swampie! Good to see you here!
:yourock:
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:27 PM
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121. Completely agree
I knew Dr. King was in trouble when he started focusing on this in addition to civil rights. If the middle class and lower income folks get together and start seeing beyond labels the wealthy robber barons will definitely have a problem.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:55 PM
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124. That is absolutely correct...
Once the wealthy and the corporations started to see a movement of poor people, of any race, and their unions battling for higher pay, they, in their own mind had to put a stop to it before it got any farther.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:28 PM
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132. I guess we're in trouble...
Hide!

:hide:

:loveya:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 12:44 AM
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143. millions were in the street
Edited on Tue Jan-20-09 12:44 AM by Two Americas
Millions of poor working class people were marching, yet the liberal activists were almost completely oblivious to it. Los Angeles saw its largest political march ever in its history. People were organizing, rallying. But whites did not support it. While millions marched, upscale white liberals were lamenting "what oh what would it ever take to wake the stupid sheeple up and get them into the streets?" We are dispersed, with a gazillion "causes" that a person can "be into" as though they were weekend hobby activities. For those not "into" immigration reform, the massive marches for justice and civil liberties and fair treatment of workers meant nothing. Now, for those not "into" poverty, this effort on poverty holds no particular interest. So many "causes," so little time, such busy lives.

We see the same thing happening right now with the failure by the larger liberal and progressive community to stand with folks in the GLBTQ community.

United we stand, divided we fall.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:13 PM
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148. Yes, we poor folk are just not a "sexy" issue. It just doesn't "occur".
And, all the separations are there, and look like they're set in cement. :(
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:12 PM
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149. the discussion is dominated by the few
A relatively privileged and upscale few dominate the Democratic party, all of the liberal and progressive organizations, and the national political discussion. They bring a prejudice to politics.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 05:27 PM
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126. Another kick for Dr. King's day. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 12:33 AM
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142. K&R nt
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 04:47 AM
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144. Inauguration Day kick n/t
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 05:31 AM
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145. Universal Health Care! We all want & need it!
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 07:57 AM
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146. Morning kick! n/t
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 09:04 AM
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147. Kicking for...
my 30th Wedding Anniversary and Inauguration Day, both today!!
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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #147
150. Congratulations!
Those are both excellent reasons to celebrate.

Cheers!

:toast:

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:44 AM
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155. Thank you Tindalos!!
:toast:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 05:23 PM
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151. And W gone, 3rd reason!!!
Hope you and your wife have 30 more years!!! Congratulations!!! :pals: :pals: hugs to both of you!!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #151
156. Yes, Mary, another very good reason...
Thank you!!:grouphug: :loveya:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 07:50 PM
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152. It took me all day to see this....
:toast: :party: :toast:

Congrats to you and Joanne!!

I hope you have a very fine celebration!

:grouphug:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:48 AM
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157. Thank you Bobbie...
now that we have Daniel, it is every reason to celebrate!! :grouphug: :loveya:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 10:45 PM
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153. Happy Anniversary!
:party:

(and a kick!)

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:50 AM
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158. Thank's Jeff...
sometimes my wife would sure like to give me a kick!!:rofl: :fistbump:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:02 PM
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160. !
:spray:

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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:26 AM
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154. kicking for hope!
:kick:

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 01:11 PM
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159. For hope and... ACTION!
Obama won't do anything about the OLD POVERTY unless progressives PUSH him to do so!

If we/they don't, the situation will be even worse as all the attention goes to the "new poor".

KICK IT!
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:21 PM
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161. kick for anyone who missed this
GD has been busy lately :)
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:32 PM
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162. Absolutely Outstanding
he stood for everything good and decent in what makes us human. I have a dream that I could have Oprah like money and run my own foundation that just helped people that needed help ,period. You need food or a taxi ride to the doctor or a doctor or a room to live in or your utility bill paid or you won't have money for food or you don't have this months rent or anything your kids really need or hospital bills paid or your car broke down and you don't have money to fix it and buy food for the month I am sure you get the idea by now. I would run it and give people everything i could to make their daily lives better. I have a billion more examples but I'll stop now.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:43 PM
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163. Great dream...
wish the real people with money thought like YOU!! :yourock:
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