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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:36 PM
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"Now is not the right time"
This phrase, or something very like it, has been heard throughout recorded history by groups of people seeking equal rights in their society. It has been heard by the young and the old, by men and women (we STILL NEED the E.R.A.), by the religious and the non-religious, and by people of all skin colors and ethnic backgrounds.

... and now it is being heard by our GLBT brothers and sisters.

The people who say that "now is not the right time" to any group pushing for equal rights have varied reasons for saying it, each with its own fallacy. Some honestly believe that there will be a better time to push for rights in the near future (the keep-your-powder-dry group). The problem with that line of thinking is that "the right time" never comes. There is always a new crisis, or a new reason not act. It is a never ending list.

Others are afraid of the change (the don't-rock-the-boat group). Of course, avoiding change is impossible (my cheese is always being moved, dammit!). It comes whether we want it to or not. If people work to help bring about change, it can frequently be done in a better way than if change is resisted, and pressure builds up to a breaking point. History has shown us that time and time again.

Then there are the people who do not want equal rights to come about. This group falls into at least two categories. The ones who feel that the aggrieved group does not deserve equal rights for some reason, and the "I am comfortable with the rights that I have, and VERY comfortable with your lack of same" group. The less said about this kind of "thinking", the better.

Finally, there are the people who resist equal rights for any given group because they feel that the group demanding rights embarrasses their (fill in the blank: family, party, church, whatever). Whether they put it so bluntly or not, this is the "get-to-to-the-back-of-the-bus, or better yet, go away and stop embarrassing us" group of people. I would hope that there are none of these people in the Democratic party, because a core principle of our party has always been to speak up for the weak, oppressed and downtrodden, not to shut them up or drive them away.

In fact, there was a very determined group of men and women who thought that they were not getting equal rights, and wanted to take action to achieve equality. They, too, were told "don't rock the boat, don't make waves, now is not the right time", but they didn't listen. They didn't listen to the naysayers, because they were boat-rockers, and they firmly believed in their cause. They thought that if a person or group wanted to try to bring about a change, they should work for it in any way that person or group sees fit. Brought to the present, I am sure that they would have heartily approved of the people who worked to get African Americans the right to vote, and women the right to vote, and the folks who rocked the boat and pushed for equal rights in the fifties and sixties.

... and these men and women wrote a document that starts with:




We the people of the United states...






We, the people. That means you. And me. And your straight father. And your gay uncle. And that man in the wheelchair. And the woman you work with.

It means all of us as Americans, not just some privileged few. It means that if you want to push for equal rights, you should, in any constitutional way you see fit.

Because there will never be a "safe", or less embarrassing, or more convenient time to do it.




... and because of all of these reasons,





Now is always the right time.



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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:55 PM
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1. K&R
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:10 PM
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2. K&R!
:kick:
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:27 PM
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3. K&R!
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:33 PM
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4. but...but...but
O'Reily
The Right Wing Fundies
Have to get re-elected


Preach it, brother. Amen.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:35 PM
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5. Howdy, once again!
:hi:
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:36 PM
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6. K&R
:kick:
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:39 PM
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7. Yes, yes yes. K&R and well stated.
--IMM
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:03 AM
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30. Thank you for the kind words!
:hi:
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Tindalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:42 PM
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8. K&R
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:48 PM
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9. And then when the Dem candidate loses, guess who gets to take the blame?
Damned either way. Just one reason out of many why I don't get involved in politics beyond a certain point.

Also look at the famous people claiming to side the cause*. They might be doing an inadvertent disservice. Either in reputation, or content and cadence of their speech. Saying the F-word every other syllable out of purported anger is not going to draw much of anything positive, to say the least.

Also, getting on topic, there are those like Elton John who see the advantage of not hijacking religious terms while vying for what is equality in action. If the benefits are identical, what is wrong with "Civil union"? Why go out of one's way to upset all the religious people living in their bubble. (Elton's said his piece plenty of times and I openly agree with him. I've posted links to what he has said. In response, people just call him an "asswipe" and everything else because some of us don't want the H-word hijacked out of petty emotions; some of us prefer the substance rather than coining somebody else's special word. Now THAT is petty.)

Want unity? It works on both ways. Maybe the whole damn country needs to grow up, ZERO exceptions or double standards. But then, others wouldn't like that either...



* Any cause. This is normal for any issue that ends up in politics.



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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 03:29 PM
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12. The CA Supreme Court disagrees! I will side with justice n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 02:02 PM
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10. Thanks to all who have taken the time to look at/comment on
my thoughts here. I have to go to a prior engagement for the rest of the day, so I will not be able to respond to you all till tomorrow ...
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 02:21 PM
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11. K&R - Now is always the right time.
yes, that's how equal rights work - thank you for a very skillfully written reminder of that simple fact.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:05 AM
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31. Thnak you! I took some time to write this, I wanted it to be
clear and objective...
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 03:30 PM
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13. K&R, very well said ! n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:39 AM
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41. Thank you! I was just trying to do my part here...
:blush:

It's the message that is important...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 04:42 PM
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14. I take it this is your official "I'm baaaaaack!" thread. :)
Well done.

Civil rights don't just 'happen' when the time is right, they are won by people who are willing to lose almost everything to gain the one thing they need the most.

:applause:

K&R



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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 04:56 PM
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15. There is N*E*V*E*R a good time to push for equal rights, it will
Edited on Sun Jan-18-09 05:00 PM by Strong Atheist
A*L*W*A*Y*S disturb someone/embarrass the party...

The problem, in my experience, is that when you ask "I don't want to embarrass you/the pary, but when may I, pretty please, have FULL equal rights, with no *asterisks to them", the answer is invariably

later...

later....

later.....

later......



.... NEVER.


It is never the right time to push for full equal rights and be an embarrassment to the party.


And because of that...



Now is always the right time.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:06 PM
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16. The nerve of those whiny radical whackjobs...
How dare they harsh our precious Bamabuzz?




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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:21 AM
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24. I can't stand it here much longer.
Don't lose track of me on the internets, hope you still have my email addy
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:20 AM
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26. Oh, Bluebear, no no no! You can't leave!
Oh geez, what would I do when I have insomnia?

Seriously, you're one of the reasons why I always come back, BB. Your compassion, razor sharp intellect and unmatched snarkiness are a DU institution.

If you must, I understand, I do still have your addy and I won't lose touch, S, but please reconsider, you would be sorely missed by so many of us.

:hug:


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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:29 PM
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67. Please don't leave
we're losing good people far too quickly and I'm really getting tired of that. Can I help in some way to persuade you to stay?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 05:11 PM
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17. And to add to this . . .
you know, we HAVE waited. We've been pushed back time and time and time again. We're done with that shit.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 08:55 PM
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18. Beautifully said.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:06 AM
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32. Thanks to one of my favorite
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 10:01 AM by Strong Atheist
lounge lizards! Loved your thread in GLBT! :yourock:
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:19 PM
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19. K&R - Now is the time - the past is a memory, the future a guess - now is all that's real
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:07 AM
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33. Thanks for your support!
:hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:20 PM
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20. THANK YOU
:thumbsup:
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:07 AM
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34. You are welcome!
:toast:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:36 PM
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21. k & r!
Awesome post!
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:09 AM
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35. Thank you for the kind words!
:blush:


There are so many groups that need this type of support. We still need the E.R.A., and we still need to work on getting rid of racism and, and and ...
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 09:52 PM
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22. Amen
In the non-biblical sense, of course.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:10 AM
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36. Thank you! nt.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:16 AM
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23. K&R
:applause:

Rights delayed are rights denied.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:11 AM
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37. Hey, its been a while! Sorry, I was ...
... out.

:hi:
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:32 AM
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25. One would think that something like this would be obvious...
The past is unchangeable and the future uncertain. The ONLY time we have is now.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:13 AM
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38. The obvious, unfortunately, frequently needs to be
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 10:01 AM by Strong Atheist
stated.

Sometimes over and over ...
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:32 AM
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27. K & R
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:02 AM
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28. I was going to say "Welcome to DU!", and then I read your profile.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 10:02 AM by Strong Atheist
Quite type?

Thats cool.

Welcome to DU anyway! :toast:
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 08:56 AM
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68. thanks
I'm sorry I missed this earlier.
Yup quiet type to a point. Been lurking for years and just started posting.
Once I start talking, it is hard to shut me up. :)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:03 AM
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29. K & RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:14 AM
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39. Thank you! nt.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:15 AM
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40. Absolutely.
Great post.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:41 AM
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42. Thank you! I support the rights of GLBT. This is one way to
help...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:46 AM
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43. Injustice against one of us is injustice against all of us.
:thumbsup:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:55 AM
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44. K&R
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:20 AM
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45. Standard tactic: "You're jumping the gun." "Time to move forward."
Most of the time, you're either too early or too late. Either way, the assumption is, "it's your own damn fault you're not getting what you wanted: Your timing is way off. Too bad for you."

There is alot of fear, but more importantly, political entities use that fear as a wedge issue. That use creates a false sense of importance. Issues seem larger and more treacherous when a political campaign labels it and puts their bias into it.

Intellectually, no one on the planet believes that gay rights will in any way effect other people's rights.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:31 AM
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46. Outstanding!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

k&r
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:04 PM
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48. .
:blush:

Thank you!

Just doing my part to support the GLBT community ...
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:55 AM
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47. The fierce urgency of...some other time....
There is only now. That is all any of us have.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:04 PM
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49. Too true, sadly. nt.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:15 PM
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50. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
But at least I can kick it again.
:kick:


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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:19 PM
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52. Wow. I do a lot of experimenting, but I have never tried to
recommend a thread more than once. :blush:

Thanks for the kick!

This is post for me to stand with my GLBT brothers and sisters ...

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:53 PM
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53. Apparently I did it yesterday and forgot. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
Your post is the mantra for the for the do-nothings. Meanwhile the theo-authoritarians just keep doing.

Those that stand for nothing will fall for anything.

"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time" - Harry S Truman


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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:03 PM
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55. ""Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most""
Lol! :toast:
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:16 PM
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51. Damn,
thank you! You brought tears to my eyes.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:11 PM
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59. You are welcome!
I see that you have been here a while.

... and don't post much (which is cool, I like quiet people. I am one in real life, just not here...). Thanks for gifting me with one of your posts.

I am honored and flattered that my post "brought tears to your eyes"...

Thank you for reading it. :blush:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:55 PM
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54. K&R (if I could)
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 12:56 PM by Patsy Stone
Sorry I missed the chance to really recommend it.

:thumbsup:
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:13 PM
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60. It's cool; we all need to take turns,
or the greatest page would be miles long...

This is an important issue; who speaks out or gets "credit" is less important than the message...
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:07 PM
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56. Now is the time.
Now is always the time.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:14 PM
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61. .
:toast:
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:07 PM
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57. Kick...
Because I can't rec anymore. Beautifully said. Thank you.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:15 PM
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62. You are welcome! ...and a belated
Welcome to DU! :toast:
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:23 PM
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65. Thank You!
:hi: Haven't been here long, but it sure has been an interesting 4 months!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:08 PM
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58. If not now, then when is the right time? n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:16 PM
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63. That is the problem, it NEVER
comes...

so...

Now is always the right time.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:21 PM
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64. That's my point. I was elaborating on your statement, not criticizing it n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:24 PM
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66. I know! We are cool! nt.
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