CNN: "Commentary: Rick Warren foes aren't practicing tolerance"

[Bluebear]

That's exactly how they frame the issue. Those supporting gay marriage are just so intolerant about...well, the intolerant.

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SCOTTSDALE, Arizona (CNN) -- Proponents of redefining marriage couldn't wait for the new president to be sworn in before demanding that he erase from the inauguration ceremony a prominent American who disagrees with them.

The target of their rhetorical bombardment is Rick Warren, the popular Christian pastor from Southern California.

President-elect Barack Obama has asked Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration. Not so fast, cries Kathryn Kolbert, head of People for the American Way, an organization that claims to advance equality and freedom of speech and religion (but not for Rick Warren and those who agree with his marriage views) in a piece published on CNN.com.

Warren's grave sin? Along with 52 percent of California voters, he supported California's Proposition 8, which affirmed the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman. What a radical!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/06/lorence.warren/

[HEyHEY]

1. I'm inspired and ready to hug a skinhead!

[Lex]

4. See, if we could only find common ground with the skinheads

then we'd be making real progress.

:cough:

[Bluebear]

5. Well, we must reach out to ALL VIEWS.

Obama will be their President too. :crazy:

[Yes We Did]

11. Didn't you see election night? We did.

:hide:

[Jamastiene]

12. Let's take them bowling.

:evilgrin:

[Goblinmonger]

52. Nice. Love that album. n/t

[progressoid]

57. Got big lanes, got big lanes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDB9oCgVHGw

[spiritual_gunfighter]

68. Take The Skinheads Bowling by Camper Van Beethoven

I love that song, good call!

[KakistocracyHater]

69. I'm not the gop's definition of tolerant

& since when is INCLUDING someone/group 'redefining' it? Was it redefining marriage when interracial couples were 'allowed to marry, legally'? I thought the definition of marriage was love, between 2 people who were willing to mesh their lives together & (hopefully) stick by each other, thru thick & thin.

[provis99]

2. "Stop hating bigots!"

:rofl:

[BattyDem]

10. They're misunderstood.

They just want to be free to practice their hate and make everyone else's lives miserable. What's wrong with that?

:sarcasm:

(I didn't really need to add the sarcasm thingy, did I?)

[Bonn1997]

60. I hate haters!

[Lex]

3. My tolerance stops at racists, homophobes, sexists, and those pushing hate

especially on behalf of religion.

So yeah, I have no tolerance for the likes of Rick Warren.

[BattyDem]

6. So CNN supports bigots?

That's what they're saying. We should be tolerant of bigots and the hate-filled, shit they spew! :eyes:

[QC]

7. Does this guy hang out at DU? n/t

[Jamastiene]

8. I smell something funny.

And no, I am not a contortionist.

That article fucking wreaks. Let me get this straight: People like Rick Warren tell lies about gay people and whip up their followers into a violent fury that causes gay people to be beaten, murdered, raped, and every other violent image imaginable, yet somehow...gay people are the intolerant ones?

They vote to take away what precious few rights we have and we say we don't like it. So, that, somehow, makes us intolerant? :wtf:

And we did WHAT to deserve that kind of bullshit accusation?

[Yes We Did]

9. Didn't you know? You have to be tolerant of intolerance now.

To not be is intolerable.

[Starry Messenger]

13. Yeah, that reachy-outy thing...

how's that working out? This shit is from today...

more from the article Bluebear links:

"Though Warren will only be praying for the country's future (not giving a speech about marriage), Kolbert and others are pressuring Obama to set a precedent for his administration of publicly shunning someone who supports the traditional definition of marriage.

They want people like Warren silenced and ostracized for their "hate speech," defined today as disagreeing with their agenda to impose a redefinition of marriage on an unwilling America. Obama, to his credit, has resisted their strident demands.

The attacks on Warren are the latest in a series of coercive, intimidating attacks on supporters of traditional marriage.

Now, activists have ramped up their strong-arm tactics by pushing the president-elect to ban Warren from appearing at the inauguration.

This is amazingly audacious, in light of the fact that on marriage, the overwhelming majority of Americans and, indeed, humanity, agrees with Warren. Americans have voted to preserve marriage in all 30 states where it has been on the ballot by an average vote of more than 65 percent."


The author of this piece is the lawyer who managed to get all the same-sex 2004 marriages invalidated in California.

He's listed in Sourcewatch as a member of the Dominionist group Alliance Defense Fund.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jordan_Lorence

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Alliance_Defense_Fund

[BattyDem]

14. If I have to be tolerant of his intolerance ...

then it's only fair that he be tolerant of my intolerance. Shouldn't CNN be asking Rick Warren, who claims to be a man of God, why he's intolerant of intolerance? :crazy:

[Jamastiene]

21. I'm taking notes from you.

You just totally obliterated their entire fucked up logic. My hat's off to you. :applause: :notworthy:

[BeeBee]

50. You get my vote for best answer. n/t

[MrModerate]

15. It's commentary, as in a "guest editorial"

And yes, the author sounds like a complete dick. (Pun intended, although the joke's a bit . . . um . . . limp.)

However, it's not CNN framing the issue, it's CNN salaaming to wingnuts for fear they'll accidentally watch Fux News or something. We're talking craven pandering, not homophobia.

Earth to numbnuts: public obloquy is NOT synonymous with censorship. If I tell you to shut up because you're a moron, that is not the same thing as the FBI frogmarching you to a concentration camp because you made a joke about planes blowing up.

[gratuitous]

16. Jordan Lorence: Willfully ignorant or raging bigot?

Ah, trotting out all the old staples. "Societies function best." "52% of people agree with me, so I must be right!" "Rick Warren has a constitutional right to spread hate, and if he isn't given this prime pulpit, why, it's tyranny!"

What a tool. I was waiting for "some of my best friends" to make his red-crayon scribblings complete.

[Starry Messenger]

19. Fundie lawyer:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/06/20060606-090944-4652r/

"The court's language may be flowery, but its point is clear. Congress has the constitutional authority to require states to adopt a uniform definition of marriage. This is a separate issue from the question answered by the principle of federalism, which presupposes states regulate marriage but gives them no authority to redefine it.

Members of the House and Senate should vote in favor of the proposed Marriage Protection Amendment without concern they are violating a long-held understanding of federalism. Instead, they are fulfilling the historical understanding of Congress' role in the interplay of federalism and the definition of marriage."

Jordan Lorence is senior counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund in Scottsdale, Ariz. In 2004, he argued the case before the California Supreme Court in which it invalidated the marriage licenses issued by San Francisco to same-sex couples

[SmileyRose]

17. Jordan Lorence is correct.

He just "forgot" to mention a good many things are not tolerated in this society. Bigotry is one of them.


Edit to fix the jerk's name.

[Lex]

18. Yeah, I'm intolerant of lying, cheating and stealing too.

I'm such a hater.

[underpants]

20. But I thought it was good that we accepted a gay speaking at the inauguration

:shrug:

[NWHarkness]

22. Jordan Lorence is a far right fundie

Mouthpiece for the Alliance defense Fund, a wacko group set up by the likes of Dobson and Wildmon to be a sort of anti-ACLU.

[Skittles]

23. I don't tolerate racists and homophobes

PERIOD

[Starry Messenger]

24. Jordan Lorance: How to Preach on Politics--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3PgBIGYu4

"Teaching Jam" for preachers.

[Starry Messenger]

25. kick.

[BunnyBluetimes]

26. KICK

Let's support a proposition separating the church from the media.

[Bluebear]

27. Indeed and welcome to DU!

[BunnyBluetimes]

42. Thank You

I love this place.:loveya:

[bigwillq]

61. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Luminous Animal]

28. JFK...

"Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one’s own beliefs.
Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others."

Me... tolerance is active, not passive.

[Heidi]

29. Kick!

:kick:

[ColbertWatcher]

30. The guy who "wrote" this is a lawyer for Alliance Defense Fund?

The same Alliance Defense Fund that fights for the rights of kids to wear Confederate flags on their clothes at school?

That Alliance Defense Fund?

http://www.alliancealert.org/2008/08/14/tenn-teen-battles-schools-confederate-flag-ban/

Yup, I guess it is.

[tom_paine]

31. CNN dutifully pushing the Bushie Frame and Psyop as usual. Yawn.

I have to say the Bushies certainly get their money's worth at all times. Plus it helps that the American M$M is so loathesomely unjournalistic that most senior editors cannot even correctly state what actual journaslism IS.

Embarrassing.

[slay]

32. You can tell he is actually attacking gays -- in quite the fundie lawyer way

"People for the American Way, an organization that claims to advance equality and freedom of speech and religion".. oh that's a keeper..

"Proponents of redefining marriage couldn't wait for the new president to be sworn in before demanding that he erase from the inauguration ceremony a prominent American who disagrees with them." -- ah yes, where to start with this gem.. well of course we couldn't wait until Obama is sworn in - the whole inauguration would be over! idiot.. and calling Warren a prominant American? bwhahahahHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!. Maybe in some circles.. some very narrow, close-minded circles. :eyes:

Nice catch Bluebear - CNN should be ashamed for posting such crap. At least they give an editor's note at the beginning. Ugh. The things done these days in the name of (under the excuse of?) religion. Sheesh.

[reggie the dog]

33. Yes, we must tolerate their intolerance and hate

otherwise it is us that is intolerant and hateful. So gay people deserve to be the victims of intolerance and hate, but biggots deserve compassion and tolerance. Why you ask??? Because god hates fags, see, its even on them internets. Lets find common ground and love and tolerate these friendly neighborhood biggots found at www.godhatesfags.com

[reggie the dog]

34. should we tolerate rape, theft, murder, and torture too

or just biggotry?

[WeDidIt]

35. Damned straight I'm intolerant of bigots

Bigotry gets people killed.

[PurityOfEssence]

36. Intolerance is contagious

oughta stamp it out

[Starry Messenger]

37. kick. n/t

[BR_Parkway]

38. We should have been tolerant when they used the Bible to justify slavery

as well? Damn good thing CNN wasn't around then to condemn those people for their intolerance.

[Solly Mack]

39. I'm not tolerant of those who would deny equal rights

And I don't think much of people who are...

[spanone]

40. 'prominenet american' ????? pffffft.

[QC]

41. Let's reach out to him! n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

43. Oh brother

I've run into that, usually on message boards: "you're intolerant, because you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Such nonsense.

How about holding Warren to account for his very unChristian behavior?

[gollygee]

44. Good to know we'll still get to hear Orwellian language like that

I thought I might miss it with the Republicans out of power. But we'll still have Republican commentators telling us how "tolerant" it is to give time and attention to bigots.

[FiveGoodMen]

59. "I thought I might miss it with the Republicans out of power"

Day by day, I have the growing suspicion that they're not really out of power.

They have the churches. They have the media. They have Harry and Nancy to infiltrate and disrupt the Dems.

[IndianaJones]

45. I think that was an OP here a couple weeks ago. nt.

[bullwinkle428]

46. Just one?

:rofl:

[Bluenorthwest]

47. Puke inducing

Seperation of Chruch and Hate, now!

[foxfeet]

48. K&R

:kick:

[LeftHander]

49. I love it when bigots kick me in the ribs...

Makes me feel wanted. I ask them out for dinner after I spit the blood from my mouth.

[Ignis]

51. Tolerance != "Turn the other cheek"

I'm barely tolerant enough of contemporary Christofascist bullshit in America to avoid voting for a law that would require ministers to be thoroughly psychoanalyzed before they're licensed and allowed to spew hate, encourage violence, and do everything they can to tear down the separation of Church and State.

Now they want us to smile while they fuck us?

DIAF, Lorence Warren. Slowly.

:rant:

[Forkboy]

53. Smeghead.

[samsingh]

54. why should they? have the repugs in the last 8 years ?

evil has no conscience. repugs are evil.

[jpak]

55. jpak commentary: Fuck You CNN

I do not watch you

[katty]

56. bigot, bigmouth imbecile doing the predictable spew spin

[EFerrari]

58. It's not that people don't know the difference between tolerance and complicity.

It's that CNN knew this right wing @sshole would get a lot of hits.

:puke:

[Divine Discontent]

62. Jordan Lorence can stick a fork up his ass as far as I'm concerned - what I posted on CNN.

"This attorney's intolerance of allowing other people's lives to be THEIRS and not to be dictated by his opinion is breathtakingly "I speak for God" talk, and it's slanderous.

God said judge not lest ye be judged - Jordan - that means you, too! We do not say you can or cannot be married (if you are) to whomever you may love. How dare you intervene in someone else's life in such a intrusive manner.

You are shameful and pig-headed."

[1776Forever]

63. Great post! I cannot believe that Lorence got away with telling others they are intolerant!

Never forget what Dr. Martin Luther King said: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." MLK - Says it all!

This is really lousy reporting too as well - I would love to have this idiot look into the "real" Rick Warren and his Dream of making the world into his little "Purpose Driven Nations"! Why isn't someone in the MSM doing this? Are they paid off or do they think there will be a backlash? They sure as hell don't give a crap what the real victims of the diatribe on women and GLBT issues are! Anyone that isn't upset with this idiocy should not call themselves a liberal!

If they want links to prove out what I am saying try these:

From Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/warren-endorsed-nigerian_b_153412.html

From RH Reality Check:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/12/19/untold-consequences-rick-warrens-aids-activism

And finally from Time Magazine:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1830147,00.html

.....

Anyone listening - hellooooo!

:banghead:

[Divine Discontent]

64. and things are just gonna get worse when you add millions of jobless people into the mix

and everyone yelling for more than just smiles - but genuine CHANGES in the laws of Shrub, or laws that were made before him (Dont ask Dont tell under Clinton), and for financial accountability of these SOB's running these corporations who are sitting upon tens of millions of dollars each, or hundreds of millions or billions in many cases!

[Starry Messenger]

66. Thanks for crossposting here. GREAT comment.

I couldn't get through the first two pages of homophobic smugness in the CNN comments section.

[Divine Discontent]

67. .

:hug:

[grantcart]

65. having read it before thanks for making me gag a second time

Nothing is so pathetic as the richest most powerful politically active religious group in history to march around like spoiled children complaining how discriminated against they are.

Makes me physically ill.