Jesus Camp.

[graywarrior]

Holy fuck. Why didn't anyone warn me. I can't stop watching. (BIO channel).

Scary shit.

[Blue_In_AK]

1. That's a truly disturbing movie.

It gets worse.

[graywarrior]

4. Creating their own sick reality

These people are child abusers.

[Lost River Ledger]

48. Well from many of us who grew up in the south......

welcome to our world.......no, there is no Santa, but these folks really exist!

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

2. I know. It's like a cultural train wreck

[orleans]

3. keep telling yourself "it's just a movie...it's just a movie"

but i know what you mean. i saw it. i think i watched it a few times. it was something you can't turn away from. creepy as all fucking getout.

[graywarrior]

6. That minister

She reminds me of the God Warrior

[orleans]

35. what's the "God Warrior?" isn't that what she talks about?

i saw it awhile ago--

[riverdeep]

39. She was one of the nuttiest of the nutjobs that appeared on a reality show

called Trading Spouses. She is so hilarious her breakdowns went viral. She was traded with a spouse that was into New Age stuff if I remember, and she was a die hard true believer. Fireworks ensued. You will laugh your ass off if you haven't seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4

[orleans]

40. ah yes, i do remember her. (i didn't even have to check the link)

she was scary psycho. really creeped me out.

[ColbertWatcher]

5. Damn! When did this start!? n/t

[graywarrior]

8. 10 EST

It's on til 12. Too bad there are commercials.

[riverdeep]

15. It's on the Biography channel, if you get it, and it'll be rerun later.

Record it.

[graywarrior]

19. I should have recorded it.

[ColbertWatcher]

20. Thank you. n/t

[ixion]

7. yeah, crazy scary

:crazy:

[graywarrior]

9. We can all thank George Bush for this shit

[bicentennial_baby]

10. Ooh! Levi's preaching!

:bounce:

[graywarrior]

12. Now they're gong after the gub'ment

[arcadian]

11. I got the impression they didn't really believe that crap.

The Camp people, that it was just a way to make money. When she is going around looking for props in the toy store, that seemed a bit much, like she was stretching.

[graywarrior]

14. She's got nothin on Marjoe Gortner

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. They are associated with Palin's church too

The movie is a must see and to put the icing on the cake Ted Haggert fell after
the movie came out and then the close association to Palin's church was revealed this
summer.

[graywarrior]

16. They all look like I did at CCD

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. My favorite scene

is when the homeschooled kid and his mom are talking and he says "Oh! Now I understand why Galileo gave up Science for Christ!"

[graywarrior]

18. That floored me

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. Yes interesting how Mom neglected to teach him all about the inquisition

That scene is all the argument needed against home schooling.

[graywarrior]

28. Selective teaching

Plus, I think they're blinded by dumb.

[graywarrior]

21. OMG, a cardboard George Bush!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

22. The scenes with Ted Haggard are some of the most disturbing to me.

Other posters have hit the high points as well. Watching Ted being patronizing to the young boy really steamed me.

[graywarrior]

23. I don't think I can keep watching this

[Starry Messenger]

33. It's a painful experience.

[graywarrior]

25. OK, the LIFE guy is way creepy

[graywarrior]

26. I need a break

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3G2BQVrcOs

[graywarrior]

27. wrong wrong wrong

[ColbertWatcher]

29. Which denomination are these people?

I came in late and didn't see the beginning.

Also, are they related to Palin and Warren's Dominionists?

[graywarrior]

31. The head minister (lady) is Pentecostal, I believe

[ColbertWatcher]

34. Are you sure? n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

37. Sarah Palin's Church tied to Jesus Camp- Both are a branch of Pentecostal

Palin’s church is deeply involved with Morning Star Ministry, who like Fresh Fire Ministry, is devoted to promoting the Dominionist message. Morningstar is a major force in the Third Wave movement and its founder, Rick Joyner, is a prolific author of Third Wave and Manifest Sons of God theology. Joyner’s books are available around the world, and Morningstar purchased part of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's Heritage Park for their headquarters and conference center. Becky Fischer, whose ministry was featured in the movie Jesus Camp, was a pastor for Morningstar before apparently feeling the “call” to start her own ministry.

The students of the Master's Commission program at Wasilla have visited Morningstar and feature pictures of the visit on their web site. Some of the events at Morningstar were included in the first video, and include such memorable moments as calling for Jesus to come down from a third floor, lots of jabbering and talking in tongues, and a cell phone anointing ceremony. You can see these rather creepy activities in this video.

Third Wave Joel's Army believers are hard-core Christian dominionists, meaning they believe that America, along with the rest of the world, should be governed by conservative Christians, and ruled by a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law. There is no room for democracy or pluralism in the doctrine of Joel’s Army dogma, just theocracy.


http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=17604

[ColbertWatcher]

38. Thank you, are either of them connected to Rick Warren's flavor of Dominionism? n/t

[graywarrior]

46. Apparently, Fischer thinks we liberals are all shaking in our boots because of them

[carlyhippy]

47. Christian Evangelical

Carly

[Dinger]

30. Sorry gratwarrior, I Posted A Dupe, BUT I See That There's A Good Show On The Weather Channel

about Balto and the "Race To Nome". That looks a helluva lot better!

[graywarrior]

32. There can never be enough threads warning people of this crap

I think the Weather Channel might be a better option right now tho. This is sickening.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

36. I saw the movie right before it

came out - I had a disc sent out for pre-viewing.

No one could understand how crazy that movie is when I would describe it- You must see the people, the expressions. You must hear the scary weirdness that is Jesus Camp.

It is the reality of how fucked up religion is.

[riverdeep]

41. Chilling is the only word. Like a Christian Taliban.

The female pastor makes the point that they're training little warriors to blow themselves up in the middle east, so she's got to get little ones over here to go to war for Jesus. She added, 'of course, our side has the Truth.' Famous last words.

There was some unintentional hilarity as well though, it wasn't all grim. Like when this same pastor started praying for the electricity to keep working and the microphones to work when she needed them and for the Microsoft software to not crash. I'm thinking, yeah, maybe getting technicians would be a better idea. Of course, with Microsoft, it never hurts to pray.

Also, when the boys were scaring each other late at night and the counselor busts in saying 'I'm not fond of ghost stories'. They were having so much genuine fun, too. It reminded me of when Reverend Lovejoy was counseling Ned Flanders with one of his many issues and said 'Oh Ned, everything's a sin. Have you actually read this thing? Technically, we're not allowed to go the bathroom.'

[fizzgig]

42. i never had my skin crawl until i watched that

there were parts of that when i actually had to plug my ears and shut my eyes...especially that scene in the bowling alley

[riverdeep]

43. You mean the part where the girl walks up to the random woman

and says something like "God told me to save you today." She's polite enough, but inside-'WTF'?

[ErinBerin84]

44. I saw the movie

for the first time this year on the day that they announced Palin for VP, and thought "Oh my god, this Palin woman is the ultimate Jesus Camp candidate!" afterwards.

[timtom]

45. So spooky and disgusting

I couldn't continue watching it.