Obama hasn't even been sworn in yet and the DU consensus is

[redstateblues]

that his presidency has already been a miserable failure. Jeez. Why not wait til he's actually president before dismembering him. Very discouraging around here.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Don't take it seriously

We won.

We fought long and hard. God, it was a long, hard fight, and we won.

Obama will be our President.

What's really unfortunate is that the people who fought for him are the ones making these noises about one thing he's done that they don't like. I don't like it, either, but if anyone thinks I'm going to give up on the only man who gives me hope for America, they're nuts.

So, don't take them seriously. If they're willing to cave over one issue, no matter how deeply they feel about it, they're lacking some kind of something, and maybe they can find a candidate in 2012 that they can support.

But what will they do for the next four years? And will they still come to DU? If so, for what?

[Name removed]

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[madokie]

2. shore 'nuf

I'm getting real good with the ignore thread feature though. Any you know what I don't think I've missed anything of any import either. :-)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Where'd you get that? nt

[Shiver]

5. Says the girl who's spoken about wanting primary challengers in 2012

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

:hug: (We've disagree on plenty, but it's fun. Have a wonderful holiday)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. You're confusing what I've said.

How could I have said his presidency is a failure, if he hasn't started the presidency yet? I DID say that if his unwillingness to remove a bigot from the inauguration, any indication of what his presidency is going to be like, I'm going to use my money, resources and time to back a different candidate in 2012.

I'm waiting for and hoping Obama removes Rick Warren from the inauguration and invites a preacher who is not a bigot, not a woman-hater, and did not spend the past 10 years asking people to vote Republican. This nation is gigantic and has a huge population. I can't believe every preacher is a bigot-homophobe-fascist.

[Shiver]

14. I know, I was attempting to tease

Apologies if that was unclear. :pals:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. Well....

You're forgiven!


:dilemma: :dilemma: :dilemma: :dilemma: :dilemma: :dilemma: :dilemma: :dilemma:

[lpbk2713]

4. Doesn't it seem rather fallacious to say there is a consensus ...

on the basis of a few posts when there are well over a hundred thousand registered members?


:shrug:

[griffi94]

6. also

i haven't seen anybody say his presidancy is a failure. i've seen some posters question some of his choices, but even most of them say they would still vote for him and still support him.

[Toasterlad]

51. Posted Wrong Place Thanks to Christmas Buzz.

[ZombieHorde]

8. the DU consensus is that his presidency has already been a miserable failure

Happy strawman time! Accusing people of imaginary behaviors is fun.

Jeez.

Jeez is part of the problem.

Why not wait til he's actually president before dismembering him.

He is not being dismembered. One of his choices is being criticized.

Very discouraging around here.

Dissent is patriotic. Just because many DUers criticize a choice made by Obama, does not mean he is now hated here.

[Bluebear]

16. The definitive post.

[SoCalDem]

10. I don't find that at all..But then, I do not click on the

obviously divisive "shame on you, Barack" posts :evilgrin:

He has not even started yet.. I will happily reserve judgement until at least this time next year:)

[WillieW]

11. I totally agree - geesh.

[RiverStone]

12. Not a consensus at all....

People here can be critical of the Warren choice, but still VERY supportive of Obama! How do I know this? I asked:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8015061

peace~:hi:

[treestar]

13. Never dreamed it would be so negative at this point

You can bet freeperland wasn't, even when the pResident had not really been properly elected. Or his "win" in 2004.

We have a Dem Prez, Senate and House and should be jumping for joy. Every cabinet pick is someone who is not a Republican! Not an Ashcroft or a Cheney or a Rumsfeld or a Mukasey or Rice - after 8 years of suffering from that, there is no reason to be anything but happy.

Some people just thrive on being miserable and do all they can to stay that way.

[Bluebear]

15. 'Some people just thrive on being miserable' - I've never found that to be the case

Those that I have run into that have had really poor moods have had good reason for it. Psychologically, historically... what a cliche to say anoyone "enjoys" being miserable! Often all those people want is a friend or someone to listen to them.

[Oak2004]

40. I counted two Republicans, actually

One who is a "Gates".

[bluestateguy]

46. Oh hell, They started bitching the day after the election

on the basis of mere rumors that Rahm Emanuel might be the chief of staff. The bitching about that fizzled away within about a week, until something else came along for them to whine about.

I am still celebrating the election, and NOBODY will rain on that parade for me.

[martymar64]

17. This is DU! What do you expect?

We're the online version of the MacLaughlin Group. Everybody is trying shout each other down with loads of hyperbole and ad hominems.

Just another day here at Democratic Underground. You get use to it after awhile and occasionally join in on the fun.

Don't take anything said here too seriously. You'll save yourself loads of unneeded stress.

[RushIsRot]

18. I expect President Obama to rank right up there with FDR & JFK.

[Pastiche423]

20. W/expectations like that, you are sure to be disappointed

[RushIsRot]

25. You are welcome to your opinion as well as I am. Check back in

on Christmas Eve of 2009 and express your opinion again. Perhaps you'll have a change of heart. Perhaps I will.

One never knows, do one?

[Pastiche423]

27. I seriously doubt he will have changed his rightward lean by then

But, who knows?

[RushIsRot]

30. He cannot lean in any direction UNTIL he takes control. I have

been disappointed in several of his actions and choices myself, BUT he deserves at least a year to see how his administration shakes out. I'll gladly grant him that year.

He's already head and shoulders above the current group of thugs currently inhabiting the seats of power.

[Pastiche423]

33. The hell he can't!

WTF do you call the republicon lite appointments he's made?

Some people should learn about politics before they open their mouths and speak idiotically.

[RushIsRot]

34. I agree! They really should.

[Pastiche423]

35. But some are too stupid to know they are stupid

[Speed8098]

42. WTF do you call the republicon lite appointments he's made?

I call it re-uniting the country.

As much as * and his minions have fucked the country, it doesn't mean that ALL republicans are like * and it goes a long way in bringing us back together as a country.

As smart as you seem to be I'm surprised you don't see that.

At least let the man take his place before you bash his choices. Remember, HE is the boss and if they don't perform to his standards I'm sure he will insist upon their resignations.

Personally I think he's been brilliant with his choices, and that includes Rick Warren.

You can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all of the people all of the time."

Please keep that in mind as this brilliant leader makes the changes necessary to fix the fuck-ups we've been subjected to under 8 years of the most corrupt evil administration in the history of the country.

[Pastiche423]

43. Makes changes?

That word was simply campaign rhetoric. If you want to be naive and believe your messiah is going to CHANGE anything meaningful, then do. But don't expect others to.

I'm too old and have been down this road way to many times before. Obama began to show his true colors as soon as he got the nom. The vast amount of his appointments have been DLCers and Clinton re-treads. Please tell me how that is change.

Then if that wasn't enough, he invites a bigoted, anti- gay and anti-women's rights con man to be w/him, up on the national stage on the day of his innauguation. Again, where is the change?

I did not vote for someone, twice, so that he could send a giant FUCK YOU to so many people that supported, worked for and voted for him.

[Pastiche423]

48. What change?

The vast majority of his decisions to date are status quo.

Btw, status quo does NOT equal change.

[ZombieHorde]

21. I hope that he is better than FDR.

FDR locked people up in 'camps' strictly because of their race.

[RushIsRot]

26. Few Presidents are perfect. As a matter of fact, I can think of none.

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[emilyg]

23. I wish you luck. Keep dreaming.

[RushIsRot]

28. A dream is far superior to the nightmare you envision. Good luck

back atcha, and may all your dreams be pleasant ones!

[emilyg]

37. You don't know what I envision

Merry Christmas.

[Baltoman991]

32. So

one posters dream is that he is as good as JFK and your dream is that he sucks so you can continue your Hillary would have been better crusade. But a dream is a dream is a dream.

[emilyg]

36. I don't know if Hillary would have been better but

I do hope O lives up to all the expectations.

[w8liftinglady]

29. I said the same thing to my son this morning...

Obama will face the same challenges as FDR..and I have confidence that he will rise to these challenges.

[RushIsRot]

31. I agree with you completely!

[bluestateguy]

22. That's why I'm outta here on January 20

I won't be able to put up with the handwringing from the purists.

[Starry Messenger]

24. Consensus!!?

What is this con-sen-sus of which you speak? :rofl:

[Iggo]

38. LOL @ "consensus"

Where's Inigo Montoya when we need him?

[lamp_shade]

41. He's busy "Storming the Castle".

The handful of people here who hate him are one-by-one leaving.

[uppityperson]

44. Not a consensus. eom

[Deja Q]

45. Glad I wasn't involved in the concensus.

:D

[NaturalHigh]

47. As I posted in another thread...

I am amazed that democrats can get anyone to run for office considering all the backbiting that even winning candidates have to face from their own party.It's as if every single person who voted for Obama thinks he should call them personally and ask for their opinions before making a decision.

Has anyone ever gotten everything they wanted from a politician (except, of course, oil barons for the last eight years)? Get a grip, people!

[Skittles]

49. heaven forbid pre-presidential stuff be discussed on a POLITICAL BOARD

OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LWolf]

50. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4716530

[Toasterlad]

52. Yes, Let's Let Him Pick His Cabinet and Invite Bigots to Speak at the Inauguration...

...and wait til after he's sworn in to complain. Better yet, it's not really fair to judge him on his presidency til he at least completes his first term, so better hold off on all complaints til then. Actually, how much could he really get done in four years? Better wait til he finishes his 8 years, and then we can talk about all the things he should have done differently that will impact this country for years.

Do you GET "government by the people, FOR the people"?