Rick Warren vows to never change

[SoCalNative]

In a just released video, Rick Warren promised that he "will never change" his views. So much for those that said opening a dialogue would be so lovely. Rick Warren just slapped you in the face.

Rick also announces a new TV network he is starting (major help from his prominence at the inauguration). It will include outreach to help gays reject their "evil lifestyle".


http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/blogs/newsandviews/index.html?contentid=1720

[ronnykmarshall]

1. Oh but wait ..

He likes Melissa Ethridge's CDs. And Melissa and her wife thinks he's just peachy!! So we need to get on board!!

:sarcasm:

[AntiFascist]

She can join his outreach program n/t

[SoCalNative]

2. In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of

Merry Christmas from Rick Warren! You're all hateful, evil, and not even Christian!

Barack Obama's good buddy Rick Warren recorded a video yesterday, talking about the outcry over his being chosen to given the invocation at Obama's swearing in. And it's a doozie. Warren's big mouth, and apparent ego, is pretty much guaranteeing that this controversy will continue all the way up until the inauguration and beyond.

In the new video, Warren accuses gays of "hate speech," of launching "hateful attacks" against him, and he then says that gay and lesbian Americans have "Christ-ophobia," a clear effort to mock the term "homophobia." He goes on to explain that gays are "afraid of any Christian," suggesting that gay and lesbian Americans - gay and lesbian Obama voters - are not Christians. He then goes on to call gays criticizing him "evil." All this from a man who compared gay marriage to incest and pedophilia, and who explicitly bans "unrepentant gays" from his church membership.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/12/in-new-video-rick-warren-accuses-gays.html

[patrice]

11. So, what would be most effective against this: more hate speech? or an aggressive debate of Moral

and Theological Issues upon which the likes of RW et al stand?

They attack you? ATTACK them back in a way that WORKS!!! Attack them on their OWN territory and show everyone what f-ing hypocrits they are. Don't just do stuff that gives them more excuses to point at you and bring up BULLSHIT that doesn't have anything to do with the basic issue: YOUR Civil Rights.

[yardwork]

35. Some folks want to shut up aggressive debate by labeling it hate speech.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. Warren is not wise

but his foolishness is harmful to many people. Only foolish people say they "will never change". The wise person tries to see things from another's perspective, something that Warren appears unable to do.

[Hepburn]

4. Warren = bigoted asshole homophobe

And those are his good points.

[NJmaverick]

5. I don't think you are accurately reporting the content of the video

[NYCGirl]

14. To say the least! Nothing in that video says what the OP states. NT

[NJmaverick]

20. It's been my observation that positions that are built on a foundations

of untruths is usually a bad one.

[yardwork]

25. Really? What does the video say, then?

[NYCGirl]

30. When he says he's not going to change, he says he's not going to change the

way he deals with opposition, and nowhere in that is mentioned the word "gay" or "homosexual."

[yardwork]

32. Is he starting a network for ex-gays or not?

[NYCGirl]

34. Not from what that video says. Where do you get that from? NT

[yardwork]

36. I read it here. I'm asking. Is he doing it or not?

[NYCGirl]

37. Not that I've read or heard. Do you have a link or something?

I didn't know this guy from Adam before the inauguration stuff.

Edited: Amended to say that I did know he wrote a NY Times mega-bestseller.

[yardwork]

38. Yes, it appears to be accurate. A three-second google found this.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081126/rick-warren-reader-s-digest-create-multi-platform-network.htm

Rick Warren is teaming up with Reader's Digest to form a multi-platform network.

[NYCGirl]

43. Where does that say anything at all about gays or "ex-gays"? NT

[yardwork]

44. Have you read his books? Been to his website? Listened to his interviews?

He talks about gay people all the time. We are evil and need to be prayed straight. This is a key part of his message.

[NYCGirl]

46. Here's a description of his books. Sounds like boilerplate Christian stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Purpose-Driven%C2%AE-Life-What-Earth/dp/0310276993/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230066813&sr=8-1

[yardwork]

47. I'm arguing with somebody who is completely uninformed. Never mind.

[NYCGirl]

49. And I'm sure you know all about everything. NT

[NJmaverick]

39. That has nothing to do with the video or this false OP

[yardwork]

40. What?

[NJmaverick]

41. The report by this OP was false, they misrepresented what Warren says in the video

that was dishonest, and the point you raise has nothing to do with that.

[yardwork]

42. I disagree. I think that my link proves that Warren is expanding his empire,

that his anti-gay message is going to be expanded to reach more people, and that that backs up the OP very well.

[NJmaverick]

50. What does that have to do with the OP or the video?

The person posted false information to try and support one side of the Warren debate. That is wrong, by any standard

[readmoreoften]

51. So all the other links that have shown Warren equating gay relationships to pedophilia and incest

those are just bullshit?

Can you make a FUCKING LOGICAL INFERENCE?

If Bush doesn't mention being a conservative in a video clip, is it wrong to say that Bush and Cheney creating a media network would not be an expansion of a conservative message?

EPIC FAIL.

[yardwork]

52. Don't let him bait you. He's on a mission.

[readmoreoften]

55. Unless he can prove how Bush isn't a conservative because he doesn't say so in one vid clip

we all should assume otherwise, he won't get very far.

Unless he wants to argue that video clips don't exist in a CONTEXT and that one should have to provide links to every other previous conclusion or proof to infinity whenever someone makes a comment.

[NJmaverick]

57. I'll take your bait, what mission is that Mr Shadow?

[NJmaverick]

56. nope, you should read more often.

I am objecting to the dishonesty of the OP, nothing more nothing less.

[readmoreoften]

59. Nope, you should "nomad over to a conservative site where you belong"

Unless you are willing to argue that Warren isn't a conservative, anti-gay loon, then where is the said "dishonesty" in the OP.

You're just blatantly willing to lie.

Let me ask you this: why the fuck do you care so goddamn much about Rick Warren? Why do you mischaracterize him as someone who has helped the poor and PWAs?

[NJmaverick]

60. Mass hysteria is never pretty and never a good thing

[yardwork]

31. Is he starting a network that will include outreach to help gays reject their "lifestyle" or not?

It's a simple question - yes or no. Is he starting a network to encourage gay people to reject their "evil lifestyle" or is he not?

edit typo

[Johonny]

6. try to get change from a church

I never saw a church that gave you change. So if you got a 20 and you only want to donate 10 you pretty much got to give the whole 20.

[Critters2]

13. You just take your change out of the offering plate. Everyone knows that! nt

[Kahuna]

7. It doesn't matter if Warren changes. He's only one person. There are many

others in the religious community who could fall away from his backwards ministry.

[yardwork]

33. And there are many thousands who will hear his views and be persuaded.

[Kahuna]

61. Any many others who will be open to hearing Obama's views. It works

both ways and you only need a percentage of "his" followers to grow our coalitions.

[musette_sf]

8. these videos are gold -

the oddest mix of (mostly) his base egotism, whining about imagined persecution from both sides, and transparent fake piety.

[donheld]

9. So What

I wouldn't trust him if he said he had changed.
That still doesn't mean Obama threw us under the bus.

[readmoreoften]

53. So what argument remains for keeping this POS?

If the political use of anti-gay rhetoric is tied to an increase of violence against the LGBT community, and the only excuse given for Warren is "reaching across the aisle in order to open a dialogue" (which in itself is bogus since the dialogue is well underway) and Warren says "there is no dialogue to be had. I will only close it" then (a) what is the purpose of choosing Warren as prayer-leader for a non-conservative president and (b) given the initial premise, drawn from statistics, how is that not "throwing us under the bus"?

[dflprincess]

10. But, but he's taken his anti-Gay statements off his website and he

says he loves the Gays.....I thought this meant he was rethinking his postions :sarcasm:

[librechik]

15. yes, indeed--this is making him squirm

he's just fine spewing his crap to friendly audiences behind closed doors. He won't be so free to show his evil in the spotlight Obama is making for him.

[dflprincess]

16. Which may make him more dangreous

If he makes himself sound rational to people who aren't familiar with his real beliefs.

[librechik]

19. yes--but it could be a healing moment for him, if he can embrace it

sure, he's a scumbag--but maybe deep down there's a real Christian struggling to get out! (doubt it, but maybe...)

He has to advocate for unity at this event--and some in his congregation will believe him and accept it.

If he intrigues anyone new enough to check him out, they will discover the truth. But it's important for him to make the concession in public, I think. Despite what Rick,m or anyone, "believes" the country needs to come together. What else can he say?

I don't know. Evil is strong. But ever since Obama was elected, I want to believe that good can overcome evil, even if evil is dressed in glory. Hope so!

[yardwork]

58. He put the anti-gay statements back on his website. They were just being tweaked.

[kenny blankenship]

12. I cast him out in the name of secular liberal democracy

Warren and other religious totalitarians are the enemy of individual liberties for all people.

[eilen]

17. I am not gay and I don't have "christ-o-phobia"

however, I do have "christian-o-phobia" and have concluded that while I am not pagan, nor atheist, I am a self-described heathen. I like mysticism in my life but I really prefer to have it relevant to my heritage and I am not of middle eastern descent.

Christian/Muslim/even some Jewish sects seem to me to be so fanatical, intrusive and violent. Why can't people just be happy with their particular god and leave everyone else alone? In my personal travels I find the Christian types to be very judgmental and very militant and kind of nuts.

What is wrong with just not knowing what is to come after you die-- and just live with integrity and compassion today? If you do that tomorrow will take care of itself.

[ColbertWatcher]

28. LOL! I may steal that someday as my go-to curse! n/t

[HillWilliam]

18. That vile, fat, talking snake

who makes his living out of charming folks into opening their wallets to finance his high-flying, tax-dodging, lifestyle, all-so beautifully sweat-free and work-free, might have some room to talk if it weren't for his double-wide lard ass and big mouth. All he has to do is conjure up a little hate and bigotry toward one group, make another group feel all smugly warm and speeeeeeeecial for doing so, and voilá and mirabile dictu! he can loll through life on the toil of others.

As Heinlein said, it's a lovely work, if you can stomach it.

Be warned, Rick Warren: me and a whole shitpot full of people you've lately managed to piss off are going to hound you to the end of the earth (where hopefully you'll have the decency to jump off), hollering to the tops of our lungs, pointing out at every single possible turn that your emperor is buck-ass nekkid.

You sonovabitch.

Warren,

[wryter2000]

21. If I thought for one moment he and they would change when we "reach out" to them

I'd support having him speak. Haven't we learned anything by watching "conservatives" since Reagan? They don't compromise, they don't reach out, they don't change.

[gaspee]

22. EXACTLY

But we LGBTQ folk should be nice and beg everyone for our rights. If we get rude, we get what we deserve, don'tcha know?

[xiamiam]

23. even if Jesus asked him to change..so self righteous...he and his interpretation of the Bible..nt

[alterfurz]

24. well, he doesn't believe in evolution...

...and his example of proof that evolution doesn't exist is apparently himself.

[EFerrari]

26. What a surprise. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

27. "Mmmm... "Cha too ma laya conky, ya neema loka nyan... hahahaaah!"

[yardwork]

29. Swampy, I haven't told you that I love you yet today.

I love you and here's a Christmas hug from one of your biggest pagan fans. :hug:

[Swamp Rat]

45. .

:hug:

[yardwork]

48. LOL!

[readmoreoften]

54. I love you too!!!!

((((((rat)))))))))