If you say you support Unions and their members, yet buy Foreign

[DainBramaged]

You aren't a union supporter, period. You can argue and scream all you want. I don't own foreign cars, my phones services are union, I make an effort to buy American every day. With electronics I'm stuck, we gave up the business years ago. Computers? Nope, they may be ASSEMBLED in America, but of Foreign components, and unfortunately, almost all the computer builders are Repugs.

I make a concerted effort every day/

Do you?

[ComerPerro]

1. Just a quick question: how many jobs have "your" companies thoughtlessly eliminated?

And where do the profits go? Sure, they stay in the US (maybe). But do they actually go to anything even remotely constructive, or just RNC fundraisers and bribes to lower emission standards and MPG requirements?

you seem to be on a very personal mission to line the pockets of billionaires.

[William769]

13. So we are to punish the Union workers because of the Companies?

Just sayin.

[ComerPerro]

18. I don't punish the union workers. GM does.

[DainBramaged]

16. You right, correct unquestioned, blah blah

NO, I am PRO Union, A LIFELONG Democrat, and PROUD to BUY American.

Are you?

[ComerPerro]

you sound like you are all talk and nothing more

[DainBramaged]

26. You're right, correctomundo

If you don't support Unions, why argue with me?

[ComerPerro]

29. why don't you tell me, then, how to truly support union workers?

aside from your jingoistic "Buy American or You're a Traitor" bullshit?

Funny I don't see you talking about that. For example, the state of Unionized American auto workers, vs the earnings of their CEOs. Maybe how their jobs are often gutted, and sometimes they even have to agree to a pay cut in order to keep their jobs.

That's something I wanna support...

[DainBramaged]

32. Correctomundo, brilliant, goodbye

[ComerPerro]

38. wow, OMFG, you really and truly are a walking, talking cliche

[uppityperson]

36. meh, poster won't answer.

[ComerPerro]

40. WHY DON'T YOU SUPPORT UNIONS????? ZOMGWTFLOLZ

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. If you don't eat at Olive Garden...

you hate america.

[uppityperson]

44. because I HATE Amerika!

OMG!!111

[Occulus]

45. ZOMGWTFLOLZASKWTFBBQ n/t

[ComerPerro]

52. fuck! I forgot BBQ

[donco6]

154. LOL!

So what's this guy's problem anyway? He's not even rational. Maybe there's more truth to "Dainbramaged" than we thought . . .

[lumberjack_jeff]

215. Is it not at least possible that those jobs were eliminated...

... because of demand for foreign made products?

What happened to the party of the american worker? (And I don't mean "guest worker")

[endarkenment]

2. You are very confused.

For global corporations there is no such thing as 'made in america'. Further you confuse supporting union workers with purchasing products made by corporations you have somehow identified as 'american'.

[Name removed]

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[LisaM]

3. Yes, I do (including for services)

and it's not always easy. I have a friend who is an electrician and who is non-union - we're probably going to need electrical work done and I won't even think of using her.

My boyfriend almost took his eye off using a Chinese wrench - it flew apart in his hands and hit him - and vowed right then and there to NEVER buy tools that weren't made in America.

Clothes are kind of tricky, but I look at the label. We do have a Japanese car at the moment but we bought it used (my other car that I bought new was a GM).

[DainBramaged]

8. Good point on the tools, forgot about those.

Snap On, BEST tools in the world, Union made in Milwaukee.

[NMDemDist2]

4. why yes, yes we do

we own an Oldsmobile and a Buick, I NEVER set foot in WalMart for any reason whatsoever, I buy used clothing when ever possible and my newest shoes are from a company right here in New Mexico

I'm getting new windows for the house, also from a company right here in NM

now NM isn't a strong union state, but I do what I can every day in every way

:hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. I Fail To See What In The World 'Union' Has To Do With It Whatsoever.

I couldn't care less if the business was union or not. It's about whether they are american companies or not american companies. I have no idea the significance of that american company having to be a union one, within this context.

[DainBramaged]

10. So you don't support unions?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. That's A Strawman If I've Ever Seen One. Read My Post Again Then Please Alter Your Question.

[DainBramaged]

17. No, do you support Unions?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Do You Kill Small Children?

I inferred curiosity as to why if your concern was buying foreign rather than american, why that's limited to union companies only as opposed to all american workers. Do you consider union workers to be more worthy than non-union?

After you address the concerns I put forth to begin with, then I'll consider answering yours.

[DainBramaged]

28. I have No intention of answering yours

you could care less about unions and the products they make, just from your refusal to answer a smiple question

Do you support Unions?


Goodbye.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. Pretty Weak To Post A Thread Yet Cower Away From A Legitimate Question No?

Next time, put a disclaimer at the bottom that says "only those who will walk in lockstep and not inquire further need reply, as I cannot handle having to think deeper than my post alone".

Whatever. See ya! :hi:

[DainBramaged]

53. So you DON'T support Unions?

[ComerPerro]

54. Why don't you wash your hands after going to the bathroom? That's just fucking gross

[pampango]

80. More enlightening discourse.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

92. So You DON'T Support Americans?

See how silly that is?

[WilliamPitt]

139. Man...

Is this the Dropped-on-my-head-as-a-baby school of debate?

Yeesh.

[uppityperson]

140. HI Will, welcome to the non-debate!

I do really have to go to work now. Have fun!

[DainBramaged]

Sorry William, simple question no one wants to answer

[DainBramaged]

107. Ignored Ya

:hi:

[Name removed]

123. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[uppityperson]

128. It is pitiful, isn't it?

Post a strongly worded opinionated opinion, then add everyone to ignore that feels differently or asks a question. Bet this poster misses that "super ignore" time. I'm off to work. It's been a fun break, but bye.

[uppityperson]

112. Congratulations and welcome to the list!

beware, challenge OP and get ignored. :rofl:

[lumberjack_jeff]

210. "american company" is an insufficient litmus test

Nike is indeed an american company, in the sense that most of the stockholders are american.

Are their products produced in America using american labor (ideally union labor) uh, no.

[Vexatious Ape]

7. Fine.

I got 63mpg on my way home from my union job today in a Prius. Show me an American, union made car, that will do that and I'll take it.
My love of unions is balanced out with my hate for both big oil and the hideous regimes in the Middle East.

[Clark2008]

163. And it cost more energy to build your ugly, recalled Prius than it did

to build a Hummer (which is also ugly, but I digress).

You're not really saving the earth that much.

I agree we need to find renewable and alternative resources, but not at the expense of other resources.

[guitar man]

9. you bet I do

My father was a Teamster long-haul road driver, my grandfather a union painter, and I worked in union print shops in the past.

I try to keep a current boycott list to shop by and not only do I not buy foreign if I can help it, I don't buy scab shit either!!

If a company wants to union-bust, their products are not welcom in my home. :grr:

[DainBramaged]

12. Cool

[uppityperson]

15. "I can't see you too bad"????

Oh, now you edited it. hmmm

[uppityperson]

11. What is an American Car?

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/which-companies-make-the-best-cars/what-is-an-american-car/0407best_glo.htm

You might expect that a vehicle that says “Ford” on the hood would be made in the U.S. But if that Ford were a Fusion, you would be wrong. It is built in Ford’s factory in Hermosillo, Mexico. Ford isn’t the only one. Only 35 percent of the parts in the Chrysler PT Cruiser, built in Mexico, come from the U.S.

The headquarters of DaimlerChrysler is in Germany. Transoceanic tie-ups are more the norm than the exception. Nissan is controlled by the French company Renault. Volvo, Jaguar, and Land Rover are owned by Ford, though at least the cars are still made in the countries where their nameplates were first stamped.

General Motors owns part of Suzuki and all that remains of the Korean automaker Daewoo. The Chevrolet Aveo is imported from South Korea, and only 4 percent of its parts come from the U.S.
BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota all build vehicles in the U.S. Combined, they produce more than a third as many vehicles in the U.S. as do the Big Three. Many of the parts for those vehicles still come from overseas.

By law, every new vehicle sold in the U.S. has to have a window sticker that states what percent of its components are domestically produced. Parts made by suppliers account for about 70 percent of the cost of a vehicle, says James Rubenstein, an automotive analyst at Miami University, in Oxford, Ohio. As much as 80 percent of the U.S.-built Toyota Camry comes from the U.S. That compares with only 30 percent of the parts of the “American” Ford Fusion. Still, across their lineups, Rubenstein says, American companies build a lot more of their cars, and parts, domestically...(much more@ link, charts showing what was built where)

Edited to add I have been a union member when working where 1 was available, which happens rarely. Now self employed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

69. Ah, I was just at consumer reports myself.

Looking in their "best" and "worst" used car section.

Guess which one's filled with Japanese cars, and the other filled with American cars.

[we can do it]

19. I Do When They Support Me -

Sorry, but at 48 years old I bought my first Japenese car. I only drive manual transmission and the American companies refuse to build them. I also refuse to burn more fuel and damage the planet in order to make anybody happy.

[DainBramaged]

24. (sigh) The demand for sticks dropped so dramatically

since the 70's they stopped building them. Why offer an option only one in a thousand buys? Besides where most people live, traffic sucks, and a stick is just a bad choice.

[we can do it]

31. Traffic Sucks Where I Live and I Think Lazy People Drive Automatics

You have much more control with a stick - also most American cars have such sloppy handling - again, not a problem because most Americans are lazy.

[ComerPerro]

33. I have noticed that I get better mileage in similar cars, stick vs auto

[we can do it]

46. I Agree and You Have So Much More Control When There's Snow

[ComerPerro]

57. or when you gotta beat someone's ass off the line from a red light

[we can do it]

70. That Too

;) edited for wink

[DainBramaged]

37. Do you support Unions and their members?

Why is this so hard a question for so many of you to answer?

[uppityperson]

42. Support how?

Why is this so hard a question for you to answer?

[we can do it]

65. I'll Try This Again - I Do When They Support Me

I am a retired union member - but I REFUSE to by something inferior and not what I want when what I DO Want Is Available. when possible I do buy American.

[DainBramaged]

121. You really think you're an expert?

Do you support Unions?

[ComerPerro]

35. so is a preference to drive manual transmission "unAmurikun" too?

[we can do it]

76. I Guess Driving A Stick and Thinking Are Both Now UnAmurkin

If only I would just follow the crowd and let them decide what's best for me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Are you more worried about American jobs?

Or your stock portfolio?

[ComerPerro]

27. LMAO

[lonestarnot]

Nope, Union workers need to make better products ie cars or no deal.

[DainBramaged]

22. They do, you won't buy them

And good for you, buy that Foreign product, support the trade deficit.

[lonestarnot]

25. Bullshit! I wouldn't trade my Honda for a ferd for nutt'n.

[DainBramaged]

30. Good for you, do you support Unions?

A Democratic principle is the right to Unionize. Do you support Unions?

[lonestarnot]

51. Absolutely support them, but don't always buy their product as it is

not always the best buy. I'm VERY picky.

[DainBramaged]

21. Some of you I just can't see, shame

[endarkenment]

34. Are you just trying to grow your ignore list?

[uppityperson]

39. we could all post together.

[DainBramaged]

49. Want to know?

If you can't honestly say you support Unions, don't bother to dance me in my thread. A few here think it's cute to play tit for tat instead of answering a simple question:


Do you support unions and their members?

[endarkenment]

55. Do you eat at burger king?

Where do you buy shoes?

Gas?

Clothes?

[DainBramaged]

66. I don't eat Fast food, I try to buy old Anerican made jeans

at second hand clothing stores and garage sales, I buy Sunoco gas, and my American made Converse sneakers (old) are wearing out, that's a problem. Alomost no shoes made here any more.


Thnks for asking

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. Oh, so you don't support American fast food workers?

America hater.

[DainBramaged]

82. So many invisible replies, tut tut

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

84. So why ask a question?

Iffin' you don't want the answer?

What's that term they use for people always ignoring things?

[A HERETIC I AM]

101. You might be surprised to find out that the Sunoco gas you buy is exactly the same as the BP down

the street.

Next time you see a Sunoco tanker truck delivering to your local gas station, take a moment to go and ask the driver how many other accounts fill at the rack he loads at. Ask him how many other gas station brands load at the same terminal.

The answer may just surprise you.


BTW, I am VERY pro Union - Former Teamster, Local 299. Largest Car Haul Local in the US, but i was only union for 2 years. ( I made a huge mistake and quit for a greener pasture that turned out to be not grass at all)
After 25 years trucking I changed careers.


But like other posters have mentioned, i don't base all my buying decisions on whether or not the product is union made.

[DainBramaged]

110. I base all my decisions on union made

[A HERETIC I AM]

120. Then you missed the point of my post.

In your post that i responded to you said "I buy Sunoco gas" inferring you did so because you feel it is a union company. Fair enough. But the point i was trying to make was that the actual gasoline delivered to your gas station may very well NOT be union made or refined in a union plant.

[DainBramaged]

125. I also support it because they support NASCAR which is now unleaded

I didn't miss your point, and since I never have the opportunity to ask the driver in the big Sunoco truck, I'll keep an eye out for one.

BTW, here, BP gets delivered buy BP, one out on 46 east.Pretty trucks with sunflowers on them. Trying to convince us they care.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

130. NASCAR, eh?

It's all coming together.

[donco6]

172. Especially the Dainbramaged part. eom

[A HERETIC I AM]

153. That pretty BP truck and the Sunoco truck may very well load at the same place.

That is all i am getting at.

Gas is gas. In most cases it arrives in your area via pipeline. The exception is when the refinery is right in the area. There isn't a separate pipeline for each company.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, DainBramaged, but here is something you hopefully are aware of regarding NASCAR.

The cars arent union made. MAYBE the engine blocks and heads were cast at a UAW staffed foundry, but the cars are not union built and the teams are not unionized. In fact, most team owners are vehemently ANTI union in NASCAR. With very few exceptions, the teams themselves build the engines, not UAW members. The only teams using "Crate" engines (the only possible way to get a union made engine in a race) are the low budget operations. Those few teams are rarely front runners.

Formula One now uses pump gas and has for several years. You will most likely find more members of labor unions involved in that racing series than you will in all of North American motorsport.

[muntrv]

201. NASCAR also has Toyotas racing.

[DainBramaged]

203. They BOUGHT their way in to truck AND car.

[uppityperson]

56. 2 simple questions: Do you? How?

edited to add, guess you are still ignoring me. sniff.

[pampango]

87. I have the feeling he's not going to answer.

Don't be surprised if he asks you the same question over and over and over.

[DainBramaged]

90. I can't, and probably wouldn't, on my ignore list

[uppityperson]

91. Naw, I won't get asked since I think I'm being ignored.

I asked too many other questions and didn't like being asked or challenged. Oh well.

[pampango]

94. You are missing a real treat of hearing the same question asked

again and again. I guess anything worth saying is worth saying 1,000 times.

[uppityperson]

98. I can see it. Poster can't see me.

"Do you support Unions? Yes or no?"

(do you? how?)

"You are on ignore"

[DainBramaged]

99. I don't enjoy being taunted cya

[uppityperson]

102. Or challenged. "cya"?

cya=cover your ass. Why is this being used here? Odd.

[pampango]

111. Nobody enjoys being taunted.

Likewise nobody enjoys being badgered with repeated questions when there is apparently no willingness to engage in an open discussion.

I am sure that you believe that you are totally right and do not suffer fools gladly. Unless you are willing to engage in the give and take of conversation, you are going to win few converts for all of your effort.

[LSK]

60. yes, he is

[treestar]

41. Impossible to keep track of

Foreign products still make jobs in the U.S. - Honda dealerships have employees.

"American" cars are made in Mexico, I hear.

Just live with the fact we all compete world wide. This is reality and there is nothing to gain by trying to pretend there are no imports and exports. All countries have this. The U.S. is wealthy compared to other countries.

[sammythecat]

47. Remember the Vega? The Pinto?

Back in the late 70's and throughout the 80's I bought 2 new Toyota Corolla's and I drove 80 miles to the dealership even though we had a Chevy dealer in town and a Ford dealer in the next. Those 2 cars outlasted 4 or 5 Vegas or Pintos. At least.

American car makers back then produced crap. I wasn't about to throw money away. Money doesn't come easy to me. I buy for value and I simply can't afford to do it any other way.

I see your point, and I agree it's a serious problem. But in the case I mentioned it actually pissed me off that Ford and Chevy were trying to sell me shit. I try not to be a fool if I can help it.

[Connie_Corleone]

50. The American auto companies should quit making crappy vehicles.

Until they do, I'll stay with my foreign one, which I haven't had any problems with unlike the crappy Ford vehicles I used to own in the past.

[DainBramaged]

67. How many decades ago did you buy American?

[SoCalDem]

58. Define "foreign"..

Toyotas made in America by Americans?
GM cars made of parts made elsewhere,but assembled by Americans?

Our stinko system has been blurring the lines for decades now, and globalization has made it practically impossible to be "pure"..

[uppityperson]

64. check out my post #11 for link to CU article about this

what is made where. If you can see my post, that is.

[DainBramaged]

78. Toyota's are not union made and profits go back to japan

GM makes about 65% of their parts here, JIT (just in time) delivery to minimize inventory.

You're right, a lot of manufacturing done in Canada and mexico.

But the Japanese STILL won't let us build a plant to manufacture American cars there

Protectionism to the 'ninth degree.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

93. Toyota workers make more.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/31/toyota-workers-in-us-made-more-than-uaw-members-for-first-time-l/

If you cared about American workers, why would you want plants built in Japan?

[LSK]

59. your right, go buy the all American Camaro (made in Canada) or GTO (made in Australia)

Your argument was valid in 1990. But the war has been lost.

[ecstatic]

61. Interesting point/question, in light of all the Wal-Mart warnings

that take place here.

[DainBramaged]

71. Isn't it amazing

Can't get most of the folks in this thread to admit to supporting Unions or not.

Shame.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

73. How often do you beat your wife?

Simple question.

[geardaddy]

108. I think you mean:

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

:7

[uppityperson]

74. Isn't it amazing you won't tell anyone in this thread how you do?

must be really frustrating to not be able to read most of your replies. Shame.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

75. Walmart, eh?

You mean the American company that manufactures most of its products overseas, and treats its workers like shit?

I wonder how long until they buy out GM.

[uppityperson]

79. I bet you're on ignore too.

Or else just being ignored. Too funny, too sad.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

86. Uh huh, he said as much.

In the other thread, after I told him to Buy Union.

[uppityperson]

88. I see above.

I got it for my question "broadbrush much". Sigh. Sniff. I'd be very curious and frustrated if I could see only 1/2 of the replies, but maybe some enjoy being fed this way?

[Catherine Vincent]

62. Why do you fart in crowds?

That's just gross!

[frankenforpres]

63. quit making shit cars!! n/t

[DainBramaged]

85. Are you Pro or Anti-Union, simple question

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

97. Are you pro-american worker, or anti-american worker?

So should an american worker spend his hard earned dollars on a car that's going to crap out at 100,000 miles, or last over 200,000 miles?

Simple question.

[endarkenment]

68. Unions + nationalism: really bad mix.

The wobblies had it all right. Our small planet needs one big union.

[Madspirit]

77. I support Union when I can

...The Farmworkers, etc. ...BUT Teamsters are crooked and corrupt and I am a poor poor person. I cannot afford the luxury of a poorly made automobile just to support American crooked Teamsters. I drive a 19 year old Volvo. American cars last for about 100,000 miles; Japanese about 200,000. European 300,000. Plus, my older brother thought he was buying an American car...some Dodge...looked under the hood, the engine was made by Mitsubishi and that is not American.
The Teamsters are crooked sons of a bitches who will leave out crucial bolts and nuts just out of spite, if they don't get their way on a contract. They are linked to criminals and are criminals. My grandmother was a big union organizer...AFL/CIO and she also said the Teamsters are crooked, criminal SOBS.
...and my girlfriend is a union member, just btw.
Lee

[DainBramaged]

89. Teamsters don't build cars, sorry, UAW does

[Madspirit]

104. transporting freight

You're right Teamsters have to do with transporting freight. They have also fought the farmworkers. UAW are crooked also. Teamsters are directly linked to crime. One dirty bunch looks much like another dirty bunch.
Lee

[DainBramaged]

115. Fine all Unions are crooked, you are right

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :puke:

[Madspirit]

131. I support the Farmworkers.

In my youth I worked with the Farmworkers; I knew Caesar Chavez and I haven't eaten a grape in 35 years. My father's family were farmworkers too. I sill work with the Farmworkers.
Too bad you're such a drone that you don't even care and you will blindly support criminals. My whole family has been union since way before you were even anyone's nasty little thought. My girlfriend is in a union. We have a Union sticker on our car. You are a drone. I don't support criminals. Too bad you don't care.
Lee

[tkmorris]

198. Amen

I used to think that I had a low tolerance for ignorance. As I've grown older I've learned that I am fine with ignorance, it's ignorant people who insist that their opinions be taken seriously that I have trouble with.

I get the feeling this poster hasn't truly heard anything anyone has said to him in a decade. I appreciate your post, but as I'm sure you are aware it'll do nothing to alter the OP's point of view, or even to stimulate deeper discussion. It's sad really.

[DainBramaged]

202. Why must you think you are an expert

And think I should respond to you? I asked a simple question, do you support Unions

From the responses here, most don't

And that is sad.

[tkmorris]

212. That's the funny thing

Most of us do. I do. But we recognize that things are rarely that simple, especially in today's global economy. The trouble is that anyone who attempts to engage you in honest dialog gets taunted, ridiculed, and placed on ignore. It's ridiculous and I'm sorry you cannot see what is wrong with that.

[DainBramaged]

217. All I asked here is a simple question

Do you support unions?

Do you? Stop dancing and honestly answer the question once and for all.

[DainBramaged]

205. Excuse ME

"My whole family has been union since way before you were even anyone's nasty little thought"

Oh boy, you assume and make an ass out of you and me.

[MadHound]

81. As one who has organized successfully organized unions

I will buy quality where ever I find it, be it either foreign or domestic. Since I'm dumping 12-20,000 dollars into a vehicle, I intend to get the most for my money. For the past few car cycles of mine, which are every ten to fifteen years, domestic passenger cars have sucked, as have domestic small trucks(four cylinder).

I do consider the quality of autos each and every time I purchase one. More than likely, the next time I'm in the market for a truck, it is going to be a larger one, six to eight cylinders, since my farming operation is growing and I need a larger, diesel power vehicle. This is something that domestics do well.

But passenger cars is another question altogether. The last time I bought a passenger vehicle was in '98, and frankly the quality simply wasn't there for domestics. In the interim it looks like it has come up a bit, but I'll wait and see what happens in the next few years.

And frankly, there are some things that domestics don't do at all. For instance no domestic manufacturer produces a scooter. Therefore I purchased a foreign make, a Bajaj. It gets 100 mpg, cruises at 55-60mph. The only domestic motorcycle makers produce big ol' hogs, which is what I don't want. So, what's a person to do?

It comes down to two things, quality and what is being manufactured. If a domestic manufacturer doesn't produce what I want and need, I will buy foreign. If a domestic manufacturer doesn't produce quality products, I'm not going to spend my hard earned money on a POS. Union or not, I simply can't afford to throw money away on things I either don't need, or things that perform poorly.

These are the same problems that have been plaguing the domestic auto industry for over thirty years. You think that they would have figured it out by now, and started correcting it. Instead, they're still making predominantly large vehicles with sloppy tolerances and poor quality control. And frankly, I'm still not going to buy them, because I simply can't afford to toss away my money.

[verse18]

83. Yeah and either yer fur us or agin us.

[DainBramaged]

103. You most certainly aren't a union supporter

Are you a lurker?

[verse18]

109. Don't pass judgment on me dude.

You know nothing about me. But the way you presented your OP sounds like it came out of Rove's playbook. I'm still waiting on YOU to answer uppityperson. How do you support unions? By passing judgments against other poster on an antonymous website?

[DainBramaged]

113. I put Uppity on ignore two threads ago, oh well

[uppityperson]

117. One. And it was because I said "broadbrush much". Sniff.

[uppityperson]

114. By ignoring all of us who ask that question. Watch out, you're getting close.

[verse18]

213. I hope so.

[LSK]

95. why doesnt GM support Unions?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gm+layoff&btnG=Google+Search

[DainBramaged]

96. What I see here are DU "Members" who refuse to support Unions

With rare exception, most here won't answer the question because it takes GUTS to stand up for your principles, Union supporter or not, and I don't see much guts here, but a lot of taunting by Union haters.

I'm going to eat, c yas.

On edit

It is a shame so many in this thread think NOT supporting Unions is funny, I would question your loyality to the Democratic party. I would NEVER have thought over the last two days how much some of you HATE the idea of answering a simple question,

Do you support Unions?

[uppityperson]

100. Actually what you see here is a bunch of ignored.

HOW do you support unions? Or is the purpose of this topic just to say you are superior to all of us amerika haters?

[LSK]

105. Guts, with us or against us, gee, who do you sound like?

[MadHound]

118. Do you buy your food in a grocery store?

So much for buying American, especially at this time of year. Tsk, Tsk:eyes:

[DainBramaged]

126. Do you support Unions and Union made products?

[MadHound]

144. When those products are of value, yes.

When they aren't, no. I'm not going to throw away money on poor quality products simply to say I supported a union, I don't have that sort of money.

Now that I've answered your question, will you answer mine? Do you purchase your food in a grocery store?

[MadHound]

208. Bueller? Bueller? Buuuuueeeeellller?

Oh well, I guess he doesn't wish to answer my question. I wonder why:think:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

106. I'm drinking tea from Russia, at a Japanese computer, and having Indian made curry for supper.

And, I do support unions - in whatever country they happen to be.

I was also a union steward in the NALC and APWU. My father and uncle were organizers for the ILWU.

So, sue me.

[knitter4democracy]

196. Mmmm. Russian tea.

I miss the cheese. Of all the things I loved when I studied there in college, I miss the cheese the most.

[CabalPowered]

220. I miss the tea as well

I spent a month in Moscow on a student exchange deal, a couple months before the coup. I remember the tea but not the cheese. I also had the pleasure of drinking a homemade raspberry liquor that remains the best adult beverage I've ever consumed.

[donco6]

116. Ridiculous.

Don't just come on with some dumbass ill-informed post and then say we can't object. This is total flamebait.

[DainBramaged]

127. I guess you oppose Unions then (checks off NO)

[Name removed]

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[DainBramaged]

142. Thank you, you proved ,my point for me.

[donco6]

152. What point? I'm still looking. eom

[WhollyHeretic]

135. Oh gee, you've got an enemies list

[donco6]

137. Which is really kinda sad.

Because before this, I doubt if he'd have considered me an enemy in any way. Oh well.

[uppityperson]

138. me either. It is pitiful and sad.

[Name removed]

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[WhollyHeretic]

160. Just the kind of useful discourse you've displayed throughout this entire thread

:applause:

[donco6]

162. So, do I tell him I drive a Ford-owned Volvo?

Nah. He wouldn't believe me anyway. And frankly, after this, I'm seriously thinking of a BMW next time . . .

[WhollyHeretic]

170. Shit, I drive a union made truck from an American owned company

but I still think this thread is ridiculous. He probably has me on ignore already anyways.

[donco6]

184. Yeah, me too. His loss. eom

[gollygee]

119. I have a Toyota, but it was made in the US of 85% US parts

so I hope that counts. My husband's truck is made in the US of 95% US parts and it's a GMC anyway so that certainly counts. We do look at where things are made when we shop and we try to choose American, or Fair Trade if it's foreign, whenever possible. I remember we were getting my daughter a wagon and we looked at the Radio Flyer and it wasn't made in the US, but there was a plastic one that was (Step 2? I think) and our choice was entirely based on that. That's just one example but it is part of our decision.

My parents were both union members.

[gollygee]

193. Am I on ignore?

Just curious

[DainBramaged]

200. Why, of course not, a few here are, and they think taunting is ok

[gollygee]

219. Oh ok - it sounded like you were putting anyone with a Toyota on ignore

but I did get that from responses more than from you I think.

[Balbus]

122. I prefer foreign made products.

Seem to be of better quality.

[Solon]

124. Well, according to the UAW website, if you buy a Toyota Corolla, you are supporting the Union...

http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2006/uawcars.cfm

Look at the car on the bottom of the page.

[DainBramaged]

133. Must be the joint venture plant in CA

Used to make a Chevy there, still make the Pontiac Aztec there. One Japanese car, Jeeze I should kill myself.

[Solon]

146. Well, we could try to repeal the "Right to work" laws in many states...

And organize the plants that are owned by German, French, Japanese and Korean companies.

[LSK]

134. Mitsubishi and Mazda cars are on there too

[Solon]

141. Mazda is owned by Ford I think...

I don't know about Mitsubishi, it may be partially owned by Ford or GM, I forget which, I know Daewoo(what's left of it), is owned by GM, they bought them out. Its get confusing to know what's foreign and what's not anymore.

ON EDIT: I looked it up, Ford and Mazda don't own each other, but they have a shitload of joint operations, at least according to the Automaker's alliance website.

[LSK]

129. so if Japan had Unions, wouldnt your argument totally fall apart?

http://web-japan.org/factsheet/employ/union.html

[muntrv]

136. So is it un-American to buy a Toyota Camry made in Georgetown, KY?

Even though the employees are from Kentucky?

[Radical Activist]

145. Or the union made Mitsubishi in Illinois?

Foreign car companies were smart to build here.

I support unions and thankfully Saturn is coming out with new hybrids soon. I want to support the environment as well and American car companies are making it very difficult.

[hughee99]

147. And of course it's anti-union to buy a BMW made in Germany

by IG Metall (the world's biggest labor union)

[Name removed]

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[donco6]

151. I think you have the mod on ignore. eom

[muntrv]

149. You think all union members just buy American? I'll bet the teachers unions

don't all buy Big 3.

[Solon]

156. Big 2, not big 3 anymore...

Why people seem to think buying cars from Daimler-Chrysler is buying American when its German owned now is a mystery to me.

[tammywammy]

173. Only part German owned

And Daimler is dropping Chrysler like a hot potato.

[Solon]

181. Good point, though, like I said in another post...

its damned confusing to figure out what's a domestic brand and what's not. If I buy a Volvo, is that American or Foreign? It is owned by Ford after all, and even more confusing, if I buy a Mazda built in a joint owned plant in the United States, is that foreign or domestic?

[tammywammy]

206. Well, I own a VW

VW Beetle TDI. It's got parts from Germany, transmission from Japan, and was assembled in Mexico.

But it gives me 40+ mpg, and is diesel so I can run on biodiesel. There's nothing made by the "American" companies that offers that.

BTW, the way things are now, my next car will be an Audi. :) In general I like the way German vehicles handle compared to American or Japanese.

[Solon]

221. I like smaller, compact sports cars that get at least 35 mpg...

Convertible and a manual transmission is also a plus, I like the control of those types of cars, have the horsepower to get up and go, are fuel sippers, and are small and maneuverable enough for me to drive circles around almost any other vehicle. The last car I had was a 1989 Toyota Celica convertible, five speed, I loved the fact that it could run on fumes for miles, was fast as hell, and could turn or stop on a dime.

[muntrv]

182. Thanx for the correction, my bad. Conversely, Ford owns (or used to)

Volvo, Jaguar, and Aston Martin. Doesn't make those 3 American.

[Cerridwen]

150. "Computers? Nope,..." what are you posting from?

Tinker toys wired to your phone service?

[ComerPerro]

159. I think more likely wires in his brain, feeding us his unconscious thoughts

[ComerPerro]

161. or maybe he has the ONE computer made and assembled entirely in the US

[donco6]

164. He made it himself.

Out of old Levis and a rusty 66 Camaro.

[Cerridwen]

168. That he inherited?

That's some "old" stuff there.

[ComerPerro]

I heard he carved it from a tree branch that was struck by lightning

[Cerridwen]

165. I don't know if those have existed since long before

MS came into the computing world. Not even sure the old IBM monsters were 100% American made with 100% American made electronics.

The bugs, however, I'm sure were American made. :evilgrin:

[tammywammy]

155. I support unions

As far as vehicles go, a foreign company offered what I wanted. There is no American counter-point to my vehicle. And I get 40+ mpg with a diesel engine.

My computer was assembled in my own state, Texas.

I do the best I can, but I'm not going to by an inferior product just because it's union made.

[JNelson6563]

157. I try to support organized labor whenever I can

and they are my partners in my political efforts. I am proud to stand with them.

Julie

[Rosa Luxemburg]

158. It is very hard to find things that are made in the USA

apart from spinning wool from your own sheep? Maybe the sheep are foreign - help! It is not certain where cotton and synthetics come from.

This is coming from a staunch union member

[donco6]

166. Well I think he finally did it.

We're all on ignore.

[LSK]

167. think he will hide his own thread?

[Cerridwen]

171. .

:spray: :rofl:

[Cerridwen]

169. .

:rofl:

[WhollyHeretic]

176. Well, he has responded to himself a number of times

I guess that's the only person he can still see

[donco6]

180. LOL!

Guess he's the only one who matters. I think that's well-evidenced by his style.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

185. I don't know, I think he's got himself on ignore.

He didn't answer his own question.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

174. Hey, dude, where was your computer built? n/t

[Name removed]

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[donco6]

178. Not yet - can't wait. n/t

[WhollyHeretic]

179. Holy crap! I checked my inbox after reading your post and found:

You think taunting me is ok with the mods?
From: DainBramaged
Date: Mar-21-07 07:03 PM
I asked a simple questio, most here proved my point, are you with them?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ComerPerro]

183. worst part is he sends taunting PMs to tell you he ignored you

[DainBramaged]

How sad, I should have put you on ignore

You can't post private messages, and I guess I know the answer anyway.

[WhollyHeretic]

194. You're the one who started with the insults

You also take your arguments straight from Bush... you're wit us or agin us

[DainBramaged]

197. I think you got it wrong, sorry but you can't post private emails

If you don't want to answer me, don't drag it out here.

[tammywammy]

216. I don't think there's a rule against posting

private messages.

[Solon]

188. Yep, though it was from another thread...

How dare you attack me like that
From: DainBramaged
Date: Mar-21-07 05:15 AM

Prove it or shut up. You CANNOT attack me like that and get away with it. I don't lie, and if you can't prove otherwise, shut up.

To give context, he was claiming that Ford and GM are FORBIDDEN from opening plants in Japan and Korea, and that they have NONE over there. I gave these two links, and he hasn't responded yet:

http://www.gm.com/company/corp_info/global_operations/asia_pacific/japa.html

http://www.ford.com/en/company/about/sustainability/2005-06/overviewProfileGlobalTypeAssembly.htm

[DainBramaged]

195. They deleted you post didn't they?

[Name removed]

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[DainBramaged]

214. I don't care what you think anymore, so bother someone else

[mikebl]

177. I'll answer your question

As a proud member of the Ironworkers Union

Yes, I support unions 100%

[DainBramaged]

191. Thanks

[texastoast]

186. What car is totally American?

Steel?
Fabric?
Plastic?
Parts?
Assembly of very component?
Gasoline to run them?

I think none.

[ComerPerro]

187. Funniest. Thread. Ever

[WhollyHeretic]

189. I just gave the thread it's 5th rec. This thing is a classic

:rofl:

[Hekate]

190. I refuse to support corporations for bad business decisions, period

I will spend more for Fair Trade coffee. I suppose I could "look for the union label" on clothes, but even made in USA clothing turns out to be made by Chinese in Saipan.

I try to be a responsible citizen, and I vote for pro-union policies.

But buy an American car with a historically bad repair record? Buy an American car that gets pitifully few miles per gallon? That's a huge chunk of my paycheck I'm being asked to fork over in the name of buying American.

It's owners and management that made the decisions -- over my lifetime -- to refuse to invest in better manufacturing methods. It's owners and management that leaned on the politicians for help in busting the backs of the unions. It's Ronald Reagan and the rest of the Repubs who held hands with the CEOs and willfully hurt the little guys.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Hekate

[ComerPerro]

199. please, didn't you get the memo? Thinking about complex issues like you have done is wrong

we are looking only for reactionary, kneejerk posts without any facts or logic. Complex explainations like yours are just upsetting and confusing.

Do you support unions, or don't you?


LMFAO

[knitter4democracy]

192. We just bought a Ford Freestyle.

Yeah, I could've gotten another Subaru, but the Freestyle was more what we needed, and we got a good deal on it. Next car will be a Ford, too.

[tkmorris]

204. If you keep growing your ignore list like this

Pretty soon when you log on to DU you'll get a bright white screen with a couple of tumbleweeds drifting across it.

[DainBramaged]

209. Why does it matter to you?

If I choose not to read people who insult or taunt me or make fun of Unions, why question my decisions? Butt out.

[tkmorris]

222. No

I will NOT butt out. If you want a private discussion, invitee only, then have it on your own forum. If you post here I WILL answer you, if I choose to, and if you don't want to see anything that doesn't agree with you I'd say you have a problem.

[w4rma]

211. Who can tell what is made in America anymore? Did you know that there are some islands

out around Asia that are owned by the US and are filled up with sweatshops? Did you know that the tags from those sweatshops y "Made in the USA"?

[Name removed]

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[DainBramaged]

223. Well if you must know

I had a brain tumor removed on Augusy 29, 2000.

Want to see the xrays and MRI's?

Thanks for the taunt, I can see where your HEAD is at.

Oh do you support Unions?

[flvegan]

224. Tell you what, bring the price of the Corvette to a reasonable level

and I'll be happy to buy a new Chevy.

I've never bought a new car. Depreciation.

[Fenris]

225. Locking.

1) This is a continuation of a flamewar.

2) This is a flamewar in itself.