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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:16 PM
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"It never rains in southern...California..."
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 11:23 PM by babylonsister
In a town called Rosarito, south of the border by about an hour, the city is flooded with mud. Apparently, a road was built w/o drainage. It wasn't 'tested' til this past week. The city might be evacuated.

My sister has a home there. Mud and water have been flowing for days and is now oozing into the downstairs window in the bathroom. A car parked across from her house was filling up with mud-through the car windows.

What a mess. I just tried to find a story-nada.

And I hear it's all heading north to SD, Orange County, etc. :(
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:19 PM
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1. It poured buckets here Monday and today. (San Diego)
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:22 PM
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2. from inland empire
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 11:22 PM by Tiggeroshii
san bernadino

it's been raining nonstop since this morning. and rained most of the day yesterday too
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:25 PM
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3. It never rains in Yuma. AZ but do sprinkles count? It has been sprinkling here - off and on -
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 11:29 PM by Bobbieo
for two days, now and the weather report is for sprinkles for the next week. So far, no mud.

It must be part of Global Warming or Climate Change as this weather is most unusual for the Desert Southwest. We are in a period of drought!!!

I'm very happy for the sprinkles which means I can turn off the sprinkler system for the time being. Save on water and money.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:31 PM
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4. I'm sure my sister would prefer sprinkles to
mud flowing into her house, for days. I can't even imagine...
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:39 PM
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6. I can't imagine mud flowing like that either- Must be the vegetation has burned off from the fires
and all that is left is dirt that becomes mud in a rainstorm. That is very sad. What the hell is happenening to our planet?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:46 PM
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9. No, it never rains there, remember? So flood control ditches or even
drainage from the highway weren't considered. Now it's a disaster area.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:29 AM
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25. We need to keep building "leap frog" development in the desert...after all
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 01:39 AM by GreenTea
it keeps us close to LA - Phoenix....or other big cities, forget about the strain on police,, fire and medical, as well as education...Because it makes huge profit for developers, Chamber of Commerce & Realtors and only temporary work for workers...what's left...A ton of chains, and one can always find work there, (where's the libraries) - Build a Wal-Mart instead, more roads, pollute, for the oil & car companies...Water? Forget about it, steal it from somewhere else....The republican way!

Just drug deal!. Yes, more crime...That's the answer! Why is this happening here?
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:38 PM
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5. Used to go there quite a bit back in the day. I would be hard pressed
to believe the mud could reach SD.

It's kinda far.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:42 PM
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7. You mean Rosarito flooded AGAIN?
I hope her house is fine, but this is an old story... as old as ever... I've been down there working more than one flood... the last were ten years ago, so we are overdue to a point

That said, that muck is also affecting Tijuana (AGAIN) and my favorite, here is one to make you chuckle

I guess

Lifeguards were standing by at the parking lot near the San Diego River

You see we seem to have an idiot or two drive through the barriers EVERY YEAR that it rains and go swimming in the river. Well this year it is the turn of a new set of young rescue workers to go fetch them.

Call me a cynic, been there, done that way too many times
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:46 PM
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10. If Rosarito is the town I'm thinking of, I'm not surprised.
I remember it as a coastal town with lots of lobster restaurants and dirt streets ... a fishing village that attracts Californians in search of cheap lobster. Is that the one?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:49 PM
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12. That's the one and trolling the Mexican News
as usual the town is split in two, as the main road is flooded up to a meter, and Tijuana, by the border, has had all classes at the schools suspended and Civil Defense is on alert
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:50 PM
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13. Sounds about right to me. There is a place to go full of lobster
restaurants (can't remember the name). They don't live too near there, but their home was built in levels, and they're getting a big brunt of the mud. Eeek!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:00 AM
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17. Sorry to hear that. In the 80's I was a regular visitor. (It was within the day visa of the border.)
Great family style lobster restaurant. The wait staff would serve up a plate of lobsters, beer and sodas were self serve. They counted the plates and bottles for your tab. Very friendly folks, my partner and I slept in our van at a local American ex-pat bar parking lot. Still rather quiet in the 80's. Sure it's different now, but I have great memories of a simple vacation.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:52 AM
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22. You gave me a laugh.
My partner and I slept in a van in Provincetown while dating; it was cold, so we found coats in Goodwill. Ah, the good ole days! :D

And we're approaching 27 years of marriage. Even now, a van sounds better than a sandy beach, which we've also done. And I'd be okay with that. Sorta.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:47 PM
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11. They have only lived there for 2 years. And no,
they are waiting for the back wall to be washed away before they call the insurance company, and that could happen at any time. It's really bad.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:53 PM
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14. IF they are that close to the flood waters
I'd get out... and yes, the floods get really bad down there

It is a matter of lack of money for proper drainage.

Been a common problem for decades

And we get these floods once about ten years

Oh and the last time... we got creative to get the help we needed... lets see if the kids remember how to play that game this time... I mean the disaster folks
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:56 PM
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15. How did you get creative? Inquiring minds and my sis's house at stake... nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:01 AM
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18. I was the disaster relief coordinator for the Red Cross, among other hats,
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 12:08 AM by nadinbrzezinski
I told the US Media what we needed, after the Feds told us not to go international... see not only our feds are idiots.

My advise to your sister, take photos and get out and go to higher ground. The DIF should have set shelters by now, probably even the Red Cross. And hopefully she does not live in Lower Rosarito, that is where things really get bad.

If this is this bad, no use in loosing a life. I'll go check the radar map momentarily... can read those things still

She could try bracing, but usually that does not help much with the kind of ground in rosarito... the ground is like clay when it gets wet. And really, really sticky. So get dry foods, water, warm clothes... and don't be too shocked if the neighbors offer to help, even if they are gabachos...

Oh and here is the map

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=nkx&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=no

This is far from over for them, they are in between ensenada and tijuana, under the worst cells, they can expect, if I read this correctly another two inches before the night is over.

And from civil defense

En las costas, Tijuana-Rosarito: Cielo Nublado con Lluvias durante el día y noche, los vientos se registraran del Este (E) de 8km/h. y temperaturas máximas entre los 14ºC y 18ºC.

At the coasts, Tijauan-Rosarito, partly cloudy skies with rain during the day and night, with winds from the E at 8KpH, (4 MpH) and maximum temps between 14 and 18 ( 55-65 F)

http://www.depcbc.gob.mx/reporte_meteorologico.html

Let me see if I can find the DIF or Red Cross centers
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:21 AM
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21. Ok here are the ones in Tijuana, still looking for Rosarito
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 12:26 AM by nadinbrzezinski
1)Albergue CREA: Cañón Aviación y Vía Rápida Oriente sin número Zona Río, Delegación Centro. Capacidad para 500 personas.

2) Albergue Gimnasio La Remosa: Calle 6 de junio esquina con 16 de agosto, Colonia La Remosa, Delegación Centro. Capacidad para 300 personas.

3)Albergue Gimnasio Independencia: Avenida Matamoros sin número entre Calles Allende y Abasolo, Colonia Independencia, Delegación Centro. Capacidad para 200 personas.

4)Albergue Unidad Deportiva Tijuana (ACTUALMENTE ATENDIENDO A LA CIUDADANIA QUE RESULTE AFECTADA POR LAS LLUVIAS): Vía Rápida Poniente y Ermita Sur sin número, Zona Río Tijuana, Delegación La Mesa. Capacidad para 200 personas.

5)Albergue Gimnasio Subdelegación Florido-Mariano: Ruta Vicente Guerrero entre Calle Catalina González y Antonio Nava sin número, Colonia Mariano Matamoros, Delegación La Presa. Capacidad para 300 personas.

6)Albergue Playas de Tijuana: Avenida del Agua, Sección Jardines, Playas de Tijuana (A un costa de la Delegación Municipal-Salón Tosca del Cortijo San José).

And if she sees Army troops, the DN-III that is the Federal Disaster plan run by the army is in place.

You read spanish? Wonders never cease, the Region now is under the command of a General, no longer a colonel



The army enacts the DN-III

-they have gone into both Rosarito and Tijuana due to the damage

And do they live at the Alamar, that is where rescue efforts are active right now?


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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:43 PM
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8. I'm guessing we'll hear about it when it hits Orange County
After all, it's where the "real" people of California live.

:sarcasm:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:56 PM
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16. If it hits the southern part of the county (san diego)
as it usually does, it will make the local news, UNLESS people die, or the usual idiot tries to go across the river and it's a slow news day

And that could even be the Tijuana river by the border. Usually it is the San Diego River... ah that means I should go fishing in the tennis courts near it

Somehow I don't think this will be the fifty year flood, let alone the 100 year event, if it is... I'll be a witness to a lake outside my home

I SHOULD stop being a smart ass, and tune in to the National Weather Service
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:08 AM
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19. Whoever wrote that song in the 1970's was an idiot
Oh, yeah...and the song sucked, too.

The media doesn't care about stories in "unimportant" places (being the a-holes they are). But once it hits SD and OC...*then* they'll care! :mad:

Sorry to hear about the flooding you folks are getting out there. I guess, if nothing else, Californians are survivors, so try to hang in there as best you can. Our thoughts are with you.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:00 AM
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23. Thanks. You're right about that song. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:17 AM
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20. Send your sister this as well
CONTACT US

To contact:

U.S. Mailing Address:
American Consulate General
P.O. Box 439039
San Diego, CA 92143-9039

Mexican Mailing Address:
Ave. Tapachula # 96
Colonia Hipodromo, 22420
Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico

Location and visits for all U.S. Citizen Services:
Ave. Tapachula # 96
Colonia Hipodromo, 22420
Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico
Telephone:
(664) 622-7400
(Dialing from the U.S. 011-52 + phone number)
Visits for all Non-immigrant Visa Issues:
Address: Diego Rivera #2
Zona Rio, 22010
Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico
Telephone:
(664) 634-3045
(Dialing from the U.S. 011-52 + phone number)
Faxes:
• Public Affairs Section: (664) 681-8592
• American Citizen Services: (664) 686-1168
• Non-Immigrant Visas: (664) 634-3069
• Consul General: (664) 622-7625
E-mail:
• American Citizen Services inquires, including passports: [email protected]
• Non-Immigrant visa inquiries: [email protected]
Office Hours:
Monday through Friday
8:00 - 16:45 hrs
except official U.S. and Mexican holidays
For hours of specific U.S. citizen services, visit American Citizen Services
In case of an after-hours emergency involving U.S. citizens, please contact the Duty Officer. From Mexico dial 001 (619) 692-2154, from the U.S., call (619) 692-2154

http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/tijuana/contact_us.html

Yes the cynic that I am, at least this is not the weekend so the duty officer should answer a phone if they need the help...

LONG story about that
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:02 AM
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24. Inland Empire - Southwest - reporting in.
Good wishes to your sister (postive thoughts headed her way; she is in our prayers).

Since I homeschool (through a public charter school, supervised by a credentialed teacher), and Hubby works out of the house - we decided to play it smart. We're out in the Temecula/Murrieta area, one hour north - inland - of San Diego, and it has been pouring all day. It had let up yesterday, but poured the day before. We decided yesterday to get our favorite foods, and stay in; and that we did.

The weird thing is that it is darned COLD, in the humble view of this California brat. It's 42 above zero outside. I'm surely NOT used to that.

I had to laugh at the crack about O.C. above; I was born and raised there. Migrated to the Inland Empire due to the relatively huge, affordable housing out here.

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:38 AM
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26. I have friends who live in Ensenada; they lost most of their house last year.
Their rancho is built on a hillside, and half the mountain turned to mud and came sliding through their house. They've finally rebuilt enough to move back in just this month.

I hope your sister's home is okay. :hug:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:44 AM
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27. Well the storm is passing, faster than I expected
tomorrow partly cloudy, so that should help them
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