The NAZIs hated unions, too.

[Octafish]

By denying the U.S. automakers the loans,
the pukes are doing all they can
to destroy organized labor,
here, in "free" America.

It's also a sign of class warfare.
And, IMFO, racism.
That's NAZI.



Wonder where they got that idea?

[Name removed]

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[StClone]

3. That's Right

No one anywhere at any time will ever resemble what Nazi/Hitler did so don't mention it. Somebody said that once and I will repeat like a good little Brown Shirt.

Oh and Fascism doesn't exist either.

[Octafish]

5. ''Let's forgive the NAZI war criminals.'' -- George Herbert Walker Bush

Wonder why Poppy would say that when Prunefact brought the wreath to Bitburg?

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Those not familiar with the subject may want to bone up a bit, first: http://www.tupbiosystems.com/articles/bush_nazi.html

BTW: Welcome to DU, economicgeography. Very interesting cat.

EDIT: Typo.

[judasdisney]

16. "Human rights are the invention of the Marxists" -- Gen. Augusto Pinochet

Good friend of Henry Kissinger and Pope John Paul II

[Octafish]

41. General Pinochet at the Bookstore -- a peom by Martin Espada

General Pinochet at the Bookstore

Santiago, Chile, July 2004

The general's limo parked at the corner of San Diego street
and his bodyguards escorted him to the bookstore
called La Oportunidad, so he could browse
for rare works of history.

There were no bloody fingerprints left on the pages.
No books turned to ash at his touch.
He did not track the soil of mass graves on his shoes,
nor did his eyes glow red with a demon's heat.

Worse: His hands were scrubbed, and his eyes were blue,
and the dementia that raged in his head like a demon,
making the general's trial impossible, had disappeared.

Desaparecido: like thousands dead but not dead,
as the crowd reminded the general,
gathered outside the bookstore to jeer
when he scurried away with his bodyguards,
so much smaller in person.

from The Republic of Poetry by Martin Espada

Regarding the war criminals:

Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

[ColbertWatcher]

2. All fascists did.

Immediately before staging his coup, Francisco Franco did everything he could to destroy the manufacturing base of Spain.

[SharonAnn]

4. And the same thing with Pinochet in Chile and ??? in Argentina.

[ColbertWatcher]

10. Not sure about them, but Franco did. n/t

[Octafish]

7. When people have no money and big fears, they're easier to move.

Franco was big friends with America's biggest NAZI types:

http://books.google.com/books?id=eWXe4sI-bUMC&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=franco+%2B+mccloy&source=web&ots=W5JB5nUW_s&sig=J4eE4ujY8cK0rL_Hb0ol2P1E7WM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

"Terrorism is the best political weapon
for nothing drives people harder
than a fear of sudden death."

-- Adolf Hitler

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/adolf_hitler_quote_eb5d

They still try to make people move fast.

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

[ColbertWatcher]

11. People are easier to move when they've got no access to big equipment. n/t

[Selatius]

12. He couldn't control it. The industrial base was populated with CNT-FAI union members. So...

He decided to kill them all, which basically meant killing off the skilled labor force. Spanish Anarchism was a force deeply engrained in Spanish culture. Franco was never totally successful, though, in erasing the leftist element in Spanish society. Today, the Spanish Socialist Party is the largest party in Spain.

[ColbertWatcher]

18. True. Franco did kill many in the movement, but wasn't able to kill the movement itself. n/t

[judasdisney]

17. According to Naomi Wolf, destroying unions is key for a military coup

The only thing that stops a military coup is a general strike. The only networked civilian organization existing-in-place to launch a general strike is a healthy unionized workforce.

[ColbertWatcher]

19. So true.

The workers, their union and their equipment.

[JVS]

6. Yet fascists have always loved using public funds for the interests of private business.

Face it, this bailout stuff is textbook corporatism (not as in corporation, but in the sense of fascist political thought) You get the labor groups, you get capitalist management, and you get the government together to pony up enough dough that the companies stay alive because it is in the best interests of the people.

The real solution is for labor to replace management.

[Octafish]

9. ''The real solution is for labor to replace management.''

Agree absolutely. We need to do the same thing with Congreff.

If we don't, we are heading to becoming Haiti with 300 million hungry people.

In 1991 or so, I got to interview Jean Bertrand Aristide. He'd just been exiled by a military junta after having become the first elected president of Haiti in 75 years or so.

Aristide told me the Generals ran Dope, Inc. on Haiti. Personally. He came to metro Detroit and spoke before the Cranbrook Peace Foundation.

The newspaper I then worked for didn’t see any reason for sending me to cover Aristide’s speech. The editors weren’t BFEE, but the events on a Caribbean island just weren’t “local” enough for their budget. So, I went on my own time.

The Cranbrook people were happy to see me. They wanted, of course, as much coverage as possible. So, they invited me and the other interested reporter types to have at him for an hour before his address.

I’m ashamed to report, at an important event in two nation’s larger media market, only a couple of CBC radio reporters out of Windsor and one local Detroit TV crew bothered to show. I was the lone print guy. Anyway…

Aristide answered every question asked in English or French. He also told us about life in Haiti, where there were four doctors to care for 4 million people. Another interesting stat: One percent of the population own 99-percent of the property. Gee. It's starting to sound like the U.S. of W.

I asked Aristide, "What can the United States do to help him restore democracy to Haiti?" Aristide said, "All President Bush had to do was pick up the phone, call the generals and say, 'Get out,' and they would quit.

So, all Poppy Doc Bush had to do to end the illegal coup that ended democracy in Haiti and return to power the first democratically elected leader of Haiti in 75 years would be to pick up the phone. Bush didn't and Aristide wasn't until Clinton sent the US Marines, many years and many Haitian lives later.

The reason for Bush Senior's inaction? Aristide said he didn’t know the answer, but he suspected Bush’s politics favored the landowners over the masses. (“Sounds familiar,” I then thought and still think today.)

Aristide said that the generals were deep into the wholesale cocaine importation business. Now who would be their partner in all that? Besides the wealthy landowners, for whom the Generals worked, I mean.

Here's what ConsortiumNews has to say:

America's Historic Debt to Haiti

By Robert Parry
February 10, 2006

As Haiti intrudes again on the U.S. consciousness with a new round of troubled elections, Americans see a violent, backward, poverty-stricken country run by descendants of African slaves. There are feelings of condescension mixed with a touch of racism.

But what few Americans know is that they owe this Caribbean nation a profound historical debt. Indeed, perhaps no nation has done more for the United States than Haiti and been treated as badly in return.

If not for Haiti – which in the 1700s rivaled the American colonies as the most valuable European possession in the Western Hemisphere – the course of U.S. history would have been very different. It is possible that the United States might never have expanded much beyond the Appalachian Mountains.

What altered this early American history was the Haitian slave uprising against France near the end of the 18th Century. This second great anti-colonial revolution in the New World both alarmed and ultimately benefited the leaders of the newly born United States.

At the time, Haiti – then known as St. Domingue and covering the western third of the island of Hispaniola – ranked as perhaps the richest colony in the world. Its carefully cultivated plantations produced nearly one-half the world’s coffee and sugar, and its profits helped build many of the grandest cities of France.

But the human price was unspeakably high. The French had devised a fiendishly cruel slave system that imported enslaved Africans for work in the fields with accounting procedures for their amortization. They were literally worked to death.

The American colonists may have rebelled against Great Britain over issues such as representation in Parliament and arbitrary actions by King George III. But the Haitians took up arms against a brutal system of slavery. One French method for executing troublesome slaves was to insert explosives into their rectums and detonate the bomb.

So, when revolution swept France in 1789, the Jacobins’ cry of “liberty, equality and fraternity” resonated with special force in St. Domingue. African slaves demanded that the concepts of freedom be applied universally, but the plantation system continued, leading to violent slave uprisings.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/020906.html

It's not ironic. It's class warfare, seen on the big timescale. Thank you for seeing it, JVS!

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. My kids great grandfather was thrown into a concentration camp

imprisoned and killed because he was a union labor leader in Denmark.

BTW he was a communist too. His son, my X wife's father, was considered
a national hero as a resistance fighter.

I see a real battle coming between labor and corporate powers coming to this country
and Europe, something similar to what happened in 1848 in Europe.

I don't like what happened today in the Senate it will have major tribulations

[elleng]

25. I agree.

.

[Octafish]

43. Senate torture report confirms Bush, top officials guilty of war crimes

The suffering of your kids' great-grandfather's family is the reason why we must stand up to the threat in our time -- from NAZIs and Communists and Dictators of all political persuasions. Would more Democrats were aware of what it is we are up against: These are NAZI times.

Senate torture report confirms Bush, top officials guilty of war crimes

Senate torture report confirms Bush, top officials guilty of war crimes
By Bill Van Auken
13 December 2008

A report issued Thursday by the Senate Armed Services Committee has provided official and bipartisan confirmation that the infamous acts of torture carried out by US personnel at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo were planned, ordered and orchestrated by the highest-ranking officials in the US government. Based on the Senate's own conclusions, those named in the document, including President George W. Bush, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, are guilty of war crimes.

The key findings of the Senate panel's report on "Treatment of Detainees in US Custody" are summed up in the introduction to its 29-page executive summary:

"The abuse of detainees in US custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of ‘a few bad apples' acting on their own. The fact is that senior US officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality, and authorized their use against detainees."

The product of multiple hearings and interviews carried out by committee staff members with more than 70 people over the course of 18 months, the final report was approved late last month. While the panel has not identified the 17 (out of 25) members present for the vote, given the committee's composition, at least four Republicans voted to endorse the findings, while none sought to register opposition.

Most of the information contained in the report had previously been made public, either through official testimony or media exposures. Nonetheless, the compilation of this information in a report endorsed by a Senate committee without dissent has undeniable significance. It amounts to official recognition that the US government followed a deliberate and systemic policy of torture.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/dec2008/tort-d13.shtml

Yours is a most amazing and special family, Ichingcarpenter. Its members have made ours a better world.

[balantz]

13. "Did you say Nazis?!"

[balantz]

14. "I'm afraid they did!"

[leftstreet]

15. Creepy photo

K&R

[exman]

20. I read an interesting book

That discusses the new plan to take over the world economically, after smuggling the Nazi treasury and personnel to South America.The author was French, the title "The Aftermath" It also got into the Vatican supplying papers and etc. I thought it was well researched. I am also VERY fearful that the tremendous success of the Bush administration in furthering this agenda is bringing us close to a point of no return. getting rid of unions and setting aside posse comitatus and..and ..and.. It's like watching your child break out in spots.Suppose it could be measles? Thanks for your links and for continuing the education of an old man.

[foo_bar]

21. so where does that leave Henry Ford?

Ford 'profited from Nazi slave labour'

The Ford Motor Company is facing legal action in the United States for allegedly making a profit from its self-confessed use of slave labour during World War II. Its factory in Germany produced trucks for the Nazi war effort.

American lawyers representing thousands of forced labourers are taking out a class action later this week .

It is believed to be the first time a legal action has been brought for compensation against an American multinational for its activities in Nazi Germany.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/americas/59351.stm

[Thothmes]

44. Ford also built

the GAZ automobile factory at Gorky in the Soviet Union. That factory was the only facility of its type in the Soviet Union. During the war the GAX works produced thousands of truck and weapons used to help defeat the Nazis.

[elleng]

22. Class warfare, yes.

Racism? Maybe or not; not necessary. THEY want to own US, and WE have to recognize it and be prepared for such.

[Recursion]

23. Communists hated the unions too

Funny how unions always end up in the crosshairs of evildoers.

[amborin]

26. communists and radicals in the US were key union organizers during the crucial formative yrs

[Recursion]

28. Most American unions were anticommunist, but more to the point...

...in communist countries, labor unions were invariably outlawed. Remember it was a labor union that took down Polish communism.

[JVS]

31. Scabadarity.

Anyone who sees Walesa's group as a positive development is smoking crack.

A union is lucky to be allowed to come to the table to negotiate

A soviet is when the workers own the table, the factory, and ultimately the state.

[ret5hd]

37. I think a closer look would reveal that U.S. law was written so that...

it was a crime for a union official to be a member of or affiliated with the communist party, so of course the unions became anti-communist. To do otherwise was to invite oneself to a front row seat at the mcarthy hearings or worse.

on edit: i believe it is also still required for EVERY union official in the U.S. to sign an affidavit affirming that they are not a member of the communist party.

[nichomachus]

38. That's an oversimplification

Many early unions organizers were far left and had socialist sympathies, if not connections.

Taft-Hartley allowed unions, but required that they purge themselves of anyone with leftist leanings -- this was at the very beginning of the Red Scare in the US.

The unions complied, but it meant that they purged the very people who could organize and run the unions. The power vacuum was filled by some honest labor leaders and a lot of opportunists and outright crooks. This was the beginning of the end for the unions, because it created the impression that they were run by gangsters.

Once middle-class prosperity set in, thanks in large part to the unions, the workers forgot how they got where they were. They thought that they had done it through pluck and individual determination. Then, during the Reagan years, they began to abandon the unions in droves.

Unions may have been anti-communist during the '50s, but that was after the damage had been done. Also, during the '50s and beyond, you had to be at least ostensibly anti-communist or you were kicked to the curb.

[Kaleva]

42. It's an oversimplification to say that nazis hated unions

Anyone, regardless of political leaning or belief, who opposed the Nazi regime was suspect and subject to surveillance, imprisonment or death. Also, one would be hard pressed to find independent unions in any nation with a totalitarian government.

[Hubert Flottz]

24. I see the first responder got stoned!

The freepers can't stand the truth.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

27. "You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair they made the Jews wear..."

Sorry, couldn't help but calling Godwin's Law here. Not disagreeing with the fact the whole thing sucks, though.

[d_b]

39. thanx

that's what I was thinking of :D

[LostinVA]

29. And, they hated them for the same raesons -- excellent point to bring up

[lonestarnot]

30. bushitlers common bread bastards!

[Enrique]

32. and a lot of Americans thought the Nazis had the right idea

rightwing American businessmen thought Hitler knew how to run an economy.

[leftchick]

33. fascism

a bush family tradition.

K&R!

[The2ndWheel]

34. Diversity is a threat to organization

Be it a state, a corporation, a union, etc. That's why everyone has to pay taxes for a state to function, or else states lose their power and break down. That's why everyone needs to have the same motive of profit for a corporation to function, or else corporations lose their power and break down. That's why all workers need to be part of a union, or else unions lose their power and break down.

Only when all interests are the same across the board will these same fights no longer go on. Which would mean that actual diversity, in all its inefficient messiness, would have to go. Tough to get that done when life doesn't seem to work that way, but...

[area51]

35. Of course.

The nazis banned abortion too because they hate women and are/were rightwingers. The current republican party wishes to imitate the nazi party because that's where their belief system lies.

[Kitty Herder]

36. Yep. It amazes me how little most people in America actually know about Fascism.

(I'm not talking about DUers who seem to have an excellent grasp of the subject.)
The word has become a meaningless epithet, and the actual ideology of fascism isn't understood by most people I talk to. It scares me because if they don't understand it, they can't recognize it until it's already upon us. I think it's been creeping up on us for a while now, but most people think I'm crazy for saying so.
I sometimes fear that this economic crisis could be a tipping point to allow full-blown fascism to take hold. Fortunately, the political climate in the country has shifted, so my fears have been considerably lessened.

[sarcasmo]

40. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.