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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:30 PM
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to shut up some fools on another board can someone give me a link to Obama's voice verification
about the stupid birth certificate
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:33 PM
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1. voice verification?
what?

Ask your idiot friends to provide documentation of his naturalization. Either he went through a naturalization process like any other immigrant or he is a natural born citizen. There is no other status of citizen. They can either document his naturalization or shut up.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:51 PM
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5. Not true. There is no legal definition of a "natural born citizen"
The constitution is the only place the term is mentioned and it does not define it. No court has ever had a chance to define it.

My opinion is it means born within United States territory which would exclude John McCain from being able to assume the office of Vice-President or President.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:59 AM
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8. Actually you are wrong about that.
By an act of congress in 1790, and revised in 1795, the term has legal meaning.

"The requirements for citizenship and its very definition have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."<5><6> Many members of the 1790 Congress had been members of the Constitutional Convention. In addition, George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law, yet it was not vetoed.

In 1795, the Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 which removed the words "natural born" from the 1790 statute, to state that such children born to citizens beyond the seas are citizens of the U.S., but are not legally to be considered "natural born citizens" of the U.S. This was done to clarify for those living at that time who was and who was not a "natural born citizen" per the framers intent at that time, since the 1790 Act had introduced confusion into that subject in regards to the use of those words in the Constitution. George Washington was also President in 1795, and thus he was aware of this change, and yet did not veto it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

There have been many laws passed since then that are relevant to the legal status.

McCain might or might not be 'natural born', Obama, born in Hawaii, most certainly is. The USSC has issued opinions in at least four cases documented on the wiki page that are relevant to this issue.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:58 AM
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9. And what court has ruled on that?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 08:06 AM by RGBolen

It would be nice if you and wiki would say which president was involved an a court case that determined the constitutional definition of it.

If you would just tell us which president it was that the case came from.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 02:59 AM
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7. Oops! You're playing into the Rethug's hands -- you forgot
he could be an illegal alien.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:20 PM
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2. Tell them to get over it.
It doesn't matter - the Supreme Court turned it down. They need to deal.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:22 PM
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3. You mean the statement from the Hawaii bureau of records or something like that there?
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:42 PM
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4. The onus is on them to prove he's not a citizen. Tell them to fuck off.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:56 PM
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6. I'm going to have to go with "tell the fools on the other board to
fuck off".
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