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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:25 PM Original message |
Obama's Sun-Times correspondent: Obama will definitely not and should not consider public school |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. The will make a family decision that is best for their daughters and their education |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I went to both public and private school in DC area. I know something about Maret & Gtown Day |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. What a bunch of phony intellectual bibble babble |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. I'll ask friends who worked in DC public schools if they agree with you |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
163. If they send their kids to public school in DC, Child Services should be alerted |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #163 |
184. WOW what a fucking racist and classist statement. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #184 |
209. I am a DC DUer |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #209 |
222. I guess it does. n/t |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #163 |
195. Do you support giving poor families the "option of private school" or should their children |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #195 |
202. Interestingly vouchers are a Reagan innovation. This whole debate is core to the Overton argument. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #195 |
210. I'm torn on vouchers |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #210 |
216. You do know that parents of high performing suburban schools would simply move. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #216 |
223. So, what's the solution? Make every school suck the same? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. Were you personally at risk for a terrorist kidnapping? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. You go live in fear of terrorists. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Your logic would work real well with the secret service |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Our whole nation's well-being and security would become involved |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. As several have pointed out, the private schools in question are protected almost solely by |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. "...these kids' splendid isolation from the local and national spotlight." Thank you for this thread |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. ... :-) |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
105. No, they're more protected because they are smaller and better staffed -- |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #58 |
157. I think you confuse 'prudence' with 'fear'. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #157 |
187. there is no such thing as "prudent planning for terrorism" |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #187 |
215. I suppose if I made no differentiation... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #215 |
219. I should have said the argument you're advancing is similar. |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
113. No Public schools period. Do what is right for the children. nt |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #113 |
152. Just say no to public schools eh? nt |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #152 |
154. In DC yes. The most important thing is what is best for the child. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #154 |
188. you don't know shit about DC and its obvious you guys wouldnt raise children in a black neighborhood |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #188 |
217. Depends on the neighborhood. I wouldn't send my kids to Anacostia |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #217 |
228. Fair enough, I agree. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Exactly. I'd do just the same. nt |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
169. I agree with everything you said, but feel the need to point out that some will |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. cap rates |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. It's a very sad statement about the reality of our class system. I was heartbroken when the |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Thats sorta playing politics with your kid's saftey. Children aren't chess pieces. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. "for white extremist hate groups to kill. This entire topic is built on ridiculous hyperbole." |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Not at all. Obama's children are high profile targets. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
193. Children aren't chess pieces. |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
45. Amy Carter went to public school |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. You guys are the ones asserting public schools are unsafe places for children. |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
161. Most public places are considered unsafe for the first family - hence, Secret Service. (nt) |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. Amy Carter never looked happy. Obama doesn't have to prove anything. I say private school for kids |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
94. Jimmy Carter sent Amy to a DC public school |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. By reports, she was not happy. nt |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #106 |
181. I take it you would never send your kids to an urban school |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #181 |
212. It depends on the school largely |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #212 |
220. I know someone who used to teach in Simple City |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #220 |
224. I have no idea what you are talking about |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #224 |
232. Simple City = housing project in DC, off Suitland Pkwy |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #94 |
162. Her dad wasn't targeted by white supremicists. (nt) |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
114. Yeah but are you forced due to your job to live in Washington DC? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
189. "forced" to live in DC? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
115. Great post. I couldn't agree more. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Horace Mann school would be a good choice? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. What a mean, prejudiced thing to say! Where are you coming from? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Thanks for providing evidence for my assertion that this is what most people think. |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Their presence at a public school |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No doubt....someone is making a mountain out of a molehile here |
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AlexinVA (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. DC public schools are horrendous |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. You are flat out incorrect. DC public schools are run by Obama's favorite school chief |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. "Well off white" is a totally different group |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I don't believe in giving in to paranoia and fear |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. How nice for you. n/t |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Listen carefully: There have already been death threats against Obama and his family. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. There are death threats against all manner of public figures. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #44 |
116. Death threats against tiny children who are completely dependent on adults to make the right |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Public school is not a personal issue. Some of you guys are wierd... for Democrats |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #119 |
125. And this answers my questions exactly how? |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #44 |
148. So, the girls' father graduated from Harvard. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
74. Are you a parent? You certainly don't sound like one |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. I guess the parents in DC schools are institutionally expected to be uncaring |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
180. Parents are responsible to do the best they can for their kids |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #180 |
207. What concerns me is that Obama would be ATTACKED here & on TV for choosing DCPS. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #207 |
244. Because he sends his kids to private school in Chicago |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Shall they live in a bubble? Truth be told, with the exception of Maret, which is completely fenced |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Last I checked, Maret was quite open and "protected" from the hoi polloi by property values |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I asked you in post #13 about the protections at these schools. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
80. Not to pick a fight, but Maret has a black iron fence around it, as well as unbreachable property |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Release the HOUNDS! nt |
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123infinity (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
179. The picture at their website doesn't seem to show a fence |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. They are located in sa residential mansion on a busy residential street |
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AlexinVA (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. I have no kids... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. It depends on which school. You can't make blanket statements |
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AlexinVA (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. You're right... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. And Obama's favorite schools administrator is doing everything in her power |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #64 |
118. That's pretty shitty -nt- |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. just the point I was going to make |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Bullshit n/t |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Wow. Great rebuttal. I've talked to several teachers who agreed that they would not want them in |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. And what makes a private school less dangerous? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Leopold's Ghost, I'm totally with you on this. I'm guessing Maret may have an edge |
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Johnyawl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
11. The wealthy have NEVER gone to public schools... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. It gets worse. Get a textbook on Public Planning & City Administration, read chapter on cap rates |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
122. Can you explain this better? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #122 |
143. I actually would like to study this issue more, but here goes: |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #143 |
191. Anyone care to comment? It took me some time to pull together the info in post #143. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. Can you say security nightmare? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Chelsea Clinton is no model for how Presidential kids should be treated. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Who is the model then? |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. You're a public school teacher, and you make less than 30K a year? In CA? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. I will not disagree. |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
168. That's unbelievable. My daughter is a public school teacher |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
111. Why don't you have health insurance? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
124. What kind of public school teacher doesn't have health insurance!? |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. And that has exactly what to do with her going to public school? |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. She is a hell of a lot smarter than you are, based on the crapola you have put on this thread |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. She's smart enough to get a high-paid Wall Street job right off the bat. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #24 |
109. Oh please, |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Hey, Chelsea's cool. A fine upstanding member of America's aristocracy. So much more deserving of |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #112 |
123. Why are you trashing Chelsea? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #123 |
130. Speaking for myself, I was probably too harsh on Chelsea. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #130 |
134. Any child of a president is privileged. |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #134 |
170. I'm sure Chelsea would have gotten a job right out of school making a 6-figure income... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #170 |
204. Not if her Father had Vetoed Gramm Deregulation Act, she sure as shit wouldn't have. |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #204 |
231. Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tag. n/t |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #231 |
233. Don't worry, I was agreeing with you! |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #109 |
128. OK, I'm no fan of Clintons, tho I admire them personally. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. OK, it sounded as if you did. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Gnight |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Ciao!!! |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. Sidwell Friends is an extremely expensive private school |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
17. Amy Carter wasn't allowed to play outside at recess due to security concerns. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Children in the public eye = children of the 2nd world elite. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
107. You do realize that the "2nd world" refers to Soviet Satellite States?... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #107 |
126. According to the media, as you say, the middle class is now 120 or 250 and up |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #126 |
139. Where exactly has the re-definition of the term "2nd World" been occurring? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #139 |
146. No, nothing marxist here |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. Exactly! |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Is it ridiculous to expect White House aides to take public transit? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #60 |
175. I don't know--why not? |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
226. Why wouldn't you take the Metro in DC? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
22. the intense security will be a bummer for any kids--but especially public school kids |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I was a public school kid... Why not ask them if they think it would be a problem |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. Can't blame them. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. Lessons learned from this thread: Those "ghetto school children" will either stand idly by |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. reality-based? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
88. Not so much ironic |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Lesson: This thread sucks |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I think I'm having dejavu all over again |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
83. My Joe thread was merely in defense of liberal discourse |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Perhaps what is most shameful about this thread are the vicious aspersions cast on poor little black |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I have one on ignore and the other one is about to join him. |
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Wiley50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Here! Here! and Great Thread, L.G. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Can you explain to me this "Great class divide on DU?" Sounds like divisive Bullshit to me. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I'm wondering too. n/t |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Get a grip on yourself |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
79. I believe everything you say, but this thread is about the Obamas doing what is best for their kids |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #54 |
121. What are you on? |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
142. Are you fucking kidding me right now? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #142 |
153. Ridiculous paranoia. What psycho are we talking about again? |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. You're fucked up. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. All this talk is what creates an atmosphere of unsafety by satisfying paranoia about pub schools. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #76 |
101. What are you talking about? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #101 |
117. Public schools ARE a big-ass looming problem for anyone who actually wants everyone to benefit |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #117 |
132. My husband I both teach at the college level (or I used to until recently) and we agree with private |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #117 |
136. Agreed, public schools are a SERIOUS issue. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #136 |
147. Well, Michelle Rhee says it's the teacher's responsibility in loco parentis etc. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
78. There's no way in hell I'd send my kids to those schools either. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Obviously, you don't know jack shit about the DC public schools. Many of them are good - especially |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. D.C. schools have some of the worse statistics in the nation |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
81. Well thank you for not taking the time to address any of my points. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I didn't address your points because I didn't particularly agree or disagree. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #87 |
141. Hmm, seems like you were so set on talking, you didn't bother to listen. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #141 |
149. You can't reply to everyone, especially if they've got their finger on the plonk button |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
120. Maybe the concern is the teachers and curriculum more than security. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
75. well that was one of the dumbest posts i have read in awhile |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Obama attended an elite private school in Hawaii for about eight years |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. Obama went to Puhahou, the best private school in Hawaii |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #82 |
140. opps i forgot about that..thanks |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
89. I wouldn't put my daughter, who is black, in a DC public school |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. thanks for that info. :) |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Lesson: Nobody on DU should send their kids to DC public schools |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #99 |
165. Why on Earth would you subject your children to a bizarre sociological experiment? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #165 |
182. Lesson: When white or middle class students go to DC schools its a "bizarre sociological experiment" |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #182 |
205. No, It's Only A Bizarre Sociological Experiment. . . |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. I would like the names of those schools |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #208 |
218. That's A Demographic Issue |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. Fundamentally, the problem is how he fund our public schools |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #221 |
225. No Argument From Me |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #225 |
229. I agree with you there |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. You're Right. That's A Different Point |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #230 |
234. I trust the Obamas will be just as good as the Clintons and - frankly - the Bushes in doing so |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. Yes (eom) |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #205 |
211. Fair enough. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. Well, That's A Philosophical Issue |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I wouldn't do it either. But that's exactly my point. You or I putting our kids in DC |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. DC needs one hell of a lot more than Presidential symbolism |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. So, is Obama supposed to FUND it out of his petty cash? |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #92 |
166. Probably not |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #92 |
167. But at what cost to his girls' safety? And what kind of funding for schools would change? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Says a fan of Michelle Rhee. Talk to the folks who actually TEACH in DCPS |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I don't know how to respond |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. And you seem to uphold that pattern and simply accept it |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I think is time to remove the tinfoil cap. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #104 |
151. Feel free to do your own research. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #103 |
145. Ok, your cap rates paranoia is beginning to confuse me. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #145 |
150. See post #143. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. The battle is futile. Race is not the last frontier - it's class now. There's no way in hell the |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #108 |
133. It's their own damn fault the toilets don't work |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #108 |
160. And how would the Obama girls going to a DC public school change things? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #160 |
197. You hypocrites support Michelle Rhee and Fenty for their neoliberal school reform agenda |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #197 |
206. Did I mention every so-called liberal thinks their students are exceptional by virtue of upbringing? |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #89 |
158. I agree - Obama is literally in the crosshairs of many more than Clinton or Carter were. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
96. I don't know about DC schools, but I taught a little bit in Oakland CA |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
102. Get a fucking boundary. It's a personal choice, not a policy. NT |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
110. Obama needs to do what is best for his daughters. He knows the value of a |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
127. The Obamas should send their kids to whichever school suits their needs. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
137. I think it may be disruptive to a typical classroom to have the SS |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Dude, get your priorities straight. The needs of kids and desires of families must be |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #138 |
178. I agree with you. |
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onefreespiritedchick (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
144. Public schools, primarily magnet schools are great |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
155. I somehow doubt public schools in DC have radically improved since the early '90s |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
156. I think they should go to public school! |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Because Obama is targeted by many of those cons. Why compromise the girls' safety to make a point? |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #159 |
185. Only in a private school does it guarantee children safety? |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
164. would be incredibly disruptive to Public school |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
171. He should do what he and his wife feel is best for their girls |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
172. If repubs are hypocrites when they preach "family" and "Christian" values and then |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. No, you would not be a hypocrite. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #173 |
177. There's nothing wrong with it in the sense that choosing a good school over a bad one is what a good |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #177 |
238. I never did quite understand how the anti-choice position became a |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #173 |
183. So it'ds the responsibility of a good parent to move to another neighborhood. |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #183 |
190. The problem with most poorly performing public schools isn't the light bulbs. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. More bigotry. |
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curse of greyface (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. New deal liberalism does not me subjecting you children to uneducated rabble |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. ... |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #203 |
235. So, freedom of choice is fine everywhere but in education? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #235 |
241. "Socialist government schools"! The hypocrisy of the situation has come full circle. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #241 |
242. Why are you quoting something I did not say? |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
174. Obama's children are not pawns in your chess game.... nt |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #174 |
176. Ahh, but the question is "Whose children are the pawns?" Are they only |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #176 |
194. Not "all children should be provided an alternative," |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #194 |
198. But that is not possible if Rhee and Bush and the cap rrates/school reform approach |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #198 |
240. I know quite well |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. What government has that kind of money and what happens to the "pawns" in the meantime? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Incorrect, disproven by evidence. Obama and Fenty and Rhee place the onus on teachers |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #201 |
236. I think you are vastly misrepresenting DC's problems |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #199 |
239. What government has the money to spend what we have |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #239 |
243. He is not trusting his children to you; he would be trusting them to an utterly dysfunctional system |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. Let's NOT compromise. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #176 |
196. Yes, that is the message. Get all children out of inner city public schools. Close them down. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #176 |
214. I can have all the theories I want involving public education |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #176 |
227. Don't Care |
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