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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:11 PM
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Freedom From Religion
I've always wanted the 1st Amendment to the Constitution to be changed from freedom "of" religion to freedom "from" religion.

For those who are already atheists, agnostics, or those who are recovering from an addiction to religion I suggest this website


www.ffrf.org/

See what information we have on FreedomFromReligion.org and share your knowledge.
www.aboutus.org/FreedomFromReligion.org
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:28 PM
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1. The first amendment doesn't say
"freedom of religion." Besides SCOTUS has already weighed in on the fact that it also guarantees freedom from religion.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:18 PM
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2. Never said it did. So why say I said it?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:21 PM
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3. You said "to be changed from freedom "of" religion" nt
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:38 PM
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4. Whew....your correction is incorrect.....
It should have been: "to be changed from 'of'religion". Notice the single quotes inside the doubles?

What exactly is the purpose of all of this protocol bullshit?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:55 PM
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10. Are you feeling ok? nt
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:09 PM
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13. Are you? I would feel pretty damn stupid and petty if I were you. nt
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:14 PM
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16. Jebus.
Your OP says "I've always wanted the 1st Amendment to the Constitution to be changed from freedom "of" religion to freedom "from" religion.

Changed from freedom of religion means that it now says "freedom of religion".

You denied saying that it currently says "freedom of religion". Your statements are contradictory.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:23 PM
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18. You misquoted my quotes, now you are changing the subject. See
reply #14.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:25 PM
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19. No, I copied and pasted your quote. See ya. nt
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:12 PM
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14. "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

It doesn't say "freedom of religion" in those exact words, but that's what its saying. Parsing it any other way is deceptive.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:41 PM
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5. So now that the protocol droids failed to correct my punctuation I
would like to add:


"Society can overlook murder adultery or swindling; it never forgives the preaching a new gospel."--Frederic Harrison (English philosopher, critic)
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:46 PM
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6. In a perfect world maybe.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:47 PM
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7. "recovering from an addiction to religion" LOL! Bravo! k+r, n/t
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:47 PM
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8. I cant believe that I actually used to.......believe!
My mom brought me up to believe in religion, we had bible studies at our house every week and would go to church every Sunday. Eventually I grew up and realized just what nonsense it all was.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:49 PM
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9. Welcome to DU. Is it still about 95% of the US who believe in
God?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 09:13 AM
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27. The number varies depending on how questions are worded.
Most surveys show about 15% (and up to 20%) have no religious affiliation. When questions ask people to be more specific about beliefs, you get down to that 5% (or less) number about believing in god.

The 95% number is about believing in "something." If you get specific about any particular god, then a majority will not believe in it.

--IMM
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:46 PM
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29. Interesting. The more they think about it the less they believe.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:49 PM
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30. I sure as hell don't
believe in an imaginary friend.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:57 PM
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11. FFRF is a fine organization.
They and Americans United are the legal forefront in the fight for separation nowadays.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:12 PM
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15. Americans United for Separation of Church and State....
Barry Lynn, who is a Protestant I believe, is one cool hard working guy.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:04 PM
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21. Lynn is an ordained minister and has a law degree
A good combination for what he does.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:08 PM
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12. Well without starting a free for all here, a lot of "christians" say that atheism is
really a religion so I guess we already have that.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:21 PM
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17. That is because they don't believe anything has any meaning other than
what they want it to mean. Religion is primarily a belief in the supernatural causality of our existence. It comes from the Latin word "religio" which means "reverence for the gods".

It would be kinda cool though if atheistic could get tax exemption for being a religious org. :bounce:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:26 PM
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20. Ignorance writ large. nt
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 08:58 AM
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24. I just want to say..I don't believe it,I am atheist, but the christians do!
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 09:04 AM
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26. :) Yes, I'm aware of you. Cheers! nt
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 09:19 AM
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28. I belong to Florida Atheists and Secular Humanists (FLASH). It's tax exempt.
We are chartered as an educational organization, with 501(c)(3) status. We have to be careful not to take any political positions.

Atheism is no more a religion than being a spectator is a sport.

--IMM
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 09:03 AM
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25. Well, they're wrong
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:53 PM
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31. I had someone
tell me that I was a member of a religion because i do not believe in a god.

I argued with him until I just gave up - his persistence was way over the top - It's like saying that since I don't believe in elves I belong to a religion. WTF? :wtf:
I tried to tell him that I was void of a belief and so could not belong to a group. I do not go to atheist meetings nor do I have any atheist study group - nor do I ask for help from any anti-form.

I just rely on science. Is science now a religion?


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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:10 PM
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22. I knew exactly what you meant and agree w/you 100%!
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:31 PM
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23. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion
To reword the first amendment the way you desire would unfairly prejudice the Bill of Rights towards atheists.
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