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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:48 PM
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The World Is at Severe Risk of a Global Systemic Financial Meltdown and a Severe Global Depression
The US and advanced economies' financial system is now headed towards a near-term systemic financial meltdown as day after day stock markets are in free fall, money markets have shut down while their spreads are skyrocketing, and credit spreads are surging through the roof. There is now the beginning of a generalized run on the banking system of these economies; a collapse of the shadow banking system, i.e. those non-banks (broker dealers, non-bank mortgage lenders, SIV and conduits, hedge funds, money market funds, private equity firms) that, like banks, borrow short and liquid, are highly leveraged and lend and invest long and illiquid and are thus at risk of a run on their short-term liabilities; and now a roll-off of the short term liabilities of the corporate sectors that may lead to widespread bankruptcies of solvent but illiquid financial and non-financial firms.

On the real economic side all the advanced economies representing 55% of global GDP (US, Eurozone, UK, other smaller European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Japan) entered a recession even before the massive financial shocks that started in the late summer made the liquidity and credit crunch even more virulent and will thus cause an even more severe recession than the one that started in the spring. So we have a severe recession, a severe financial crisis and a severe banking crisis in advanced economies.

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At this point severe damage is done and one cannot rule out a systemic collapse and a global depression. It will take a significant change in leadership of economic policy and very radical, coordinated policy actions among all advanced and emerging market economies to avoid this economic and financial disaster. Urgent and immediate necessary actions that need to be done globally (with some variants across countries depending on the severity of the problem and the overall resources available to the sovereigns) include:

* Another rapid round of policy rate cuts of the order of at least 150 basis points on average globally.

* A temporary blanket guarantee of all deposits while a triage between insolvent financial institutions that need to be shut down and distressed but solvent institutions that need to be partially nationalized with injections of public capital is made.

* A rapid reduction of the debt burden of insolvent households preceded by a temporary freeze on all foreclosures

* Massive and unlimited provision of liquidity to solvent financial institutions.

* Public provision of credit to the solvent parts of the corporate sector to avoid a short-term debt refinancing crisis for solvent but illiquid corporations and small businesses.

* A massive direct government fiscal stimulus packages that includes public works, infrastructure spending, unemployment benefits, tax rebates to lower income households and provision of grants to strapped and crunched state and local government.

* A rapid resolution of the banking problems via triage, public recapitalization of financial institutions and reduction of the debt burden of distressed households and borrowers.

* An agreement between lender and creditor countries running current account surpluses and borrowing and debtor countries running current account deficits to maintain an orderly financing of deficits and a recycling of the surpluses of creditors to avoid a disorderly adjustment of such imbalances.

At this point anything short of these radical and coordinated actions may lead to a market crash, a global systemic financial meltdown and to a global depression.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nouriel-roubini/the-world-is-at-severe-ri_b_133917.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:50 PM
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1. yes I know
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:53 PM
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2. Surprised there's a call for 'depression.'
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:53 PM
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3. Not only that....but
I have a sinus infection.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:17 PM
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12. You'd better get that cleared up...
...before the GLOMELT hits. You need to be strong and prepared.

That's what I'm calling it. GLOMELT. It sounds friendly. Like a pet.

GLObal
MELtdown

Do not fear the terror, doom and disaster...it's only GLOMELT!

Seriously, get that infection cleared up. You'll need your
strength for knitting blankets and building things out of...mud...and stuff.

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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:58 PM
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4. I've been washing out and reusing my old baggies/ziplocs for months now.....
bring it on!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:04 PM
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8. I've got my small stockpile of beans and grains put aside.
And my TEOTWAWKI toilet paper for if things get truly desperate: reusable flannel wipies salvaged from a deceased sheet.

Never can be too prepared, lol.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:03 PM
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5. The post title are your words, not Roudini's, correct?
I don't believe he thinks we are headed for a depression.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:13 PM
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11. You're correct I believe
He says that

>one cannot rule out a systemic collapse and a global depression.

He doesn't say we are at "severe risk" of it.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:03 PM
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6. dupe - delete.
Edited on Sat Oct-11-08 11:03 PM by speedoo
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:03 PM
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7. One of my best friends
is a licensed stock broker.

He tends to vote Republican.

But he's a great guy.

We golfed a couple of weekends ago and he told me this:

He spoke to his firm's chief economist about everything going on. When he was done, he almost shit his pants.

Chilled to the bone.

And he's voting Obama.






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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:11 PM
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10. Do you know what the firm's chief economist...
...said. Geez. I'm terrified too, and I wasn't' even there!

If you know, tell us.

I just posted about my husband's boss---an executive. He said he's hoarding
cash, and so is everyone else he knows. Those are high-income earners, too.

I'm really not scared. I'm one of those people who could survive on the streets.

I just want to be as prepared as possible.

I'd like to hear what a "chief economist" has to say.

I only have a minor in economics. ;)
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:37 PM
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19. Sure.
Basically he said that if the bail out package wouldn't have passed, that everything would have frozen up - everything.

He said the bail out package is only really effecting the front line of lending - credit cards, etc. Banks still are not lending to banks.

Trust is broken in the industry. This guy is a total optimist and he seemed shakened talking about it.

I apologize if that's not detailed enough. This is probably all stuff you have heard already.

The bad news: He beat me by 2 strokes that day.
The Good News: I told him to move my 401K money into a money market fund in 2007. I look like a genius now.

But, alas, I am not.





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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 01:01 AM
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22. self-delete.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 01:06 AM by Mind_your_head
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:07 PM
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9. What should we do to prepare?
My husband had a heart-to-heart with his boss about their job security.

The boss said that everyone he knows is hoarding money and stashing cash in their homes.

These are executives...people with high, six-figure salaries.

Everyone is frightened. I'm terrified about what will happen to the markets next week.

If anyone has any suggestions about what we might be doing to prepare, those would be
most appreciated.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:17 PM
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13. Panic and hoarding is what causes the worst of the problems from what I understand
Bank runs, etc.

Also the OP's post says "severe risk" but the article only says:

"one cannot rule out a systemic collapse and a global depression."
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:23 PM
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16. It's kind of a mixed message...
...about the bank runs and hoarding, don't you think?

On one hand, everyone sees the potential for a disaster--but we're constantly
being told that our money is safe.

Well, I remember reading after one of the big bailouts that the FDIC was said to be stretched, a
nd that they wouldn't have had the funds to cover another big bank failure.

I also remember two weeks ago last Thursday, when intra-bank trading halted. If that happens again
or for some time--people won't be able to use their ATMS or cash their paychecks.

It's conflicting. However, I think it's prudent--given the times--to have some cash on hand.
That's just smart, common sense.

I'm a little leery of messages I get from the MSM. Please remember....these people were telling
us two months ago that it was a great time to buy. They were toeing this line a month ago
as well. That was all wrong.

Right now, consumers need to be creative about doing their own due diligence. We need good information
and since the powers that be aren't telling us squat--it's just good sense to have some cash on hand
and to stockpile essentials.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:32 PM
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17. It's always a good idea to have cash on hand
And stockpiles of basics. If nothing happens to the economic system this time, there's always a natural disaster to prepare for.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 06:03 AM
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26. It feels like a mixed message
We are told to not panic and leave our money where it is. Meanwhile the wealthy have seemed to have moved their money into safe places already. I have little faith that anyone is looking out for the regular person. I have pulled a bit of money and have it at home. I always keep six months of supplies of necessities on hand. I am afraid of losing my house. That is what keeps me up at night.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:18 PM
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14. Give this guy a listen
He's got some good advice.

Stock up on food, bottled water, cash for 6-12 months living expenses, a few cans of gas stashed in the garage, etc.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x212795
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:21 PM
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15. Cash for 6 - 12 months?

Yeah, okay.

I'll get right on that.

If it gets to the point we need cash for 6 - 12 months of living expenses, that cash isn't going to be worth anything anyway.

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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 12:09 AM
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21. Yeah, 6-12 months cash (cough)
He does think the dollar will still have value.

I've watched all his videos and he's been right on the money (sorry) so far.

I understand that most people can't come up with that kind of cash, but that's what he suggests.

If and when we get through this, I'm no longer going to be buying anything I don't need, it's going in the bank.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:06 AM
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24. That's exactly what I was thinking!
If we're going to be stockpiling, we should each have a wheelbarrow, to carry around that mattress stuffing.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 11:35 PM
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18. Ok, QUESTION
Stocking up on cash fine, I'm part way there, I can do that.

But like, am I supposed to pay my mortgage payments in cash?

At the gas pumps?

If everything really freezes, are we all doing lots o' certified checks, or will those still work, or what?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 12:04 AM
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20. That's what I'm wondering about too....
When this guys says "6 months worth of expenses" is he assuming that people will have no income
coming in?

Is he assuming that most everyone will be destitute and that we should have money to pay for
everything (including mortgage) for six months?

He mentioned that you should be able to survive with no credit cards for 6-12 months. That's a total
given. Those things are going to stop working in the near future.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:07 AM
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25. If everything freezes, you are going to have bigger problems than how to pay for gas
or the roof over your head.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 01:56 AM
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23. Globalism has caused financial problems to spread like a virus.
That's why all the economies are being pulled down, as each one pulls down others connected to it.

I believe we'll get through it fine, but not before more grief and a lower stock market.
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