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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:23 AM
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Crying Reagan is Time Cover - How the Right Went Wrong
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 10:31 AM by RamboLiberal
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1599374,00.html



A generation ago, fresh off the second biggest electoral landslide in American history, Ronald Reagan surveyed the wreckage that had been the opposition and declared victory. Standing before 1,700 true believers at the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), he proclaimed, "The tide of history is moving irresistibly in our direction. Why? Because the other side is virtually bankrupt of ideas. It has nothing more to say, nothing to add to the debate. It has spent its intellectual capital." At this year's conference two weeks ago, Reagan's name was invoked more than anyone else's. But the mood at the most storied annual gathering of conservatives was anything but triumphal. John McCain, the Establishment favorite to win the 2008 Republican nomination, skipped CPAC entirely but did show up on David Letterman the night before, choosing the most aggressively glib venue to semiofficially announce his candidacy. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney was there to make his pitch for 2008 but had to compete with a man who was working the crowd in a dolphin costume and a T-shirt identifying him as flip romney: just another flip flopper from massachusetts. Ex-New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani barely mentioned the social issues on which he parts ways with conservatives, except to joke, "I don't agree with myself on everything." And the only memorable sound bite of the whole affair came from right-wing telepundit Ann Coulter, whose idea of an ideological rallying cry was to declare Democratic hopeful John Edwards a "faggot." The condemnation that followed, in which at least seven newspapers banished her column from their opinion pages, became a ragged coda for the state of a movement that had once been justly proud of its ability to win an argument.

These are gloomy and uncertain days for conservatives, who—except for the eight-year Clinton interregnum—have dominated political power and thought in this country since Reagan rode in from the West. Their tradition goes back even further, to Founding Fathers who believed that people should do things for themselves and who shook off a monarchy in their conviction that Big Government is more to be feared than encouraged. The Boston Tea Party, as Reagan used to point out, was an antitax initiative.

But everything that Reagan said in 1985 about "the other side" could easily apply to the conservatives of 2007. They are handcuffed to a political party that looks unsettlingly like the Democrats did in the 1980s, one that is more a collection of interest groups than ideas, recognizable more by its campaign tactics than its philosophy. The principles that propelled the movement have either run their course, or run aground, or been abandoned by Reagan's legatees. Government is not only bigger and more expensive than it was when George W. Bush took office, but its reach is also longer, thanks to the broad new powers it has claimed as necessary to protect the homeland. It's true that Reagan didn't live up to everything he promised: he campaigned on smaller government, fiscal discipline and religious values, while his presidency brought us a larger government and a soaring deficit. But Bush's apostasies are more extravagant by just about any measure you pick.

Set adrift as it is, the right understandably feels anxious as it contemplates who will carry Reagan's mantle into November 2008. "We're in the political equivalent of a world without the law of gravity," says Republican strategist Ralph Reed. "Nothing we have known in the past seems relevant." At the top of the Republican field in the latest Time poll is the pro-choice, pro-gay-rights former mayor of liberal New York City. Giuliani's lead is as much as 19 points over onetime front runner McCain. But neither Republican manages better than a statistical tie in a hypothetical matchup against the two leading Democrats, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:25 AM
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1. The Right needs to go long
As in take a long walk on a short pier.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:25 AM
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2. Shamelessly borrowing from Voltaire's appraisal of the Holy Roman Empire,
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 10:26 AM by no_hypocrisy
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:31 AM
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3. Not exactly a current news magazine when you put Ronald Reagan on the cover.
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 10:31 AM by shain from kane
More of an editorial comment, than the news.
Maybe it would have worked better if they had exhumed him, and put a picture of Saint Ronnie's uncorrupted body on the cover.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:31 AM
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4. I've always thought the RW idolization of a drooling idiot was rather revealing.
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 10:32 AM by Tierra_y_Libertad
I'm rather surprised that Shrub hasn't been able to pick up the mantle of Reagan even though he's achieved the near impossible and surpassed Ronnie in imbecility.

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:32 AM
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5. Will 'El Supremo' begin to try to wipe the Dripping Blood from his hands.?
Not :crazy: Likely
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:33 AM
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6. The Right is a misnomer - should be the 'Wrong'
because everything they preach - smaller government, fiscal discipline, Christian values, less intrusion into the individual's life are the exact opposite of what they have fostered upon the Nation. Facts are facts - the Right is nothing but talking points, deception and avoidance of anything factual or reality-based.

Will be really interesting to see what Joe 6 pack thinks after the curtain gets raised to the top to show the wizard and his minions in the full light of day - HOORAY for OVERSIGHT
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:33 AM
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7. K & R
:kick:
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goose4739 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:33 AM
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8. Oh God
Not Reagan again! Once more, and let's say it all together: he ignored AIDS, he was deep in Iran-Contra, he fired air traffic controllers, put the mentally ill out onto the street, increased poverty, had a corruption-ridden government and was out of his mind from the day he stumbled into office. So the right is scrambling for a candidate that will be like him? Fine with us!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:49 AM
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15. Don't forget supply-side economics and a huge deficit...
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:50 AM
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17. Thank you. n/t
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:33 AM
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9. Oh, please..
now we're supposed to be sad for the Reaganites because the hypocritical thugs got greedy and power hungry and screwed themselves right out of power? I admit, it's powerful, but it doesn't pack the same punch:

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:37 AM
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11. I find it hard to believe that the Reaganites the ones at the top the ones...
supposedly "in the know" actually believe that tripe he was reading.

(insert big John Stossel COME ON!)

Really? They didn't know that is was distraction and diversion of their own people so THEY didn't see what was really going on? Really? Wow they all look so important and serious in their suits and such. They really didn't know that the whole thing was just to serve the uber rich to get rid of any regulations that might take even a penny out of their pocket? They didn't think the "Four Sisters" gave all that money just because they believed in THE CAUSE did they?

COME ON!
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:56 AM
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19. Pardon me while I have a moment of thoughtful silence
:hurts:

Whew! Ok, that feels better...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:36 AM
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10. More corpmedia ANOINTING Reagan as SAINT. Serious crimes of Reagan and Bush
have been covered up for too long thanks to the protection given them by the corporate media and protective Democrats in positions of power.



The Clintons' Real Trouble with Truth

By Robert Parry
February 24, 2007



Hollywood mogul David Geffen touched a raw nerve with Hillary Clinton when he told New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd that “everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.”

The Clintons’ trouble with truth, however, is not just the petty political lying nor is it their quibbling over what “is is” or what “mistake” means. It’s that they have never shown any real reverence for the truth. Too often, they see it as something to be traded away for a transitory tactical advantage.

If a future historian is ever to understand what happened to the United States in this era – how the world’s greatest power so disastrously lost its way – that scholar should look back to the first Clinton-Bush transition in 1992-93, when Bill Clinton could have grasped a unique historical moment but didn’t.

Clinton was the first U.S. President to take office after the end of the Cold War. He could have ordered a long-needed historical review of what nine U.S. presidents had done, often behind opaque cloaks of government secrecy.

This review also could have assessed what damage those decades of secrecy, propaganda and deception had done to the core values of the American Republic. By revealing the truth, both the good and the bad, Clinton could have helped restore vibrancy to the democratic process by giving the voters the means to again be an informed electorate.
>>>>>

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/022307.html
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:38 AM
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12. Take the tear off, and the photo and headline match.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:25 PM
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33. **AMEN** to that RSS!
I'm so sick of St. Ronny still being held up as some kind of paragon of virtue.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:42 AM
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13. The 1000-year Reich is in ruins.
Discarded to the trash heap of history.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:47 AM
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14. Um, weren't many of the dicks that have gotten us in this mess part of Reagan's admin?
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush....I could go on. The Reagan era is what started this.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:51 AM
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18. Yeah, some legacy. That cover makes me want to
:puke:
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:50 AM
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16. The Right was ALWAYS wrong
eom
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:59 AM
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20. Let them keep trying to turn the Gipster into a saint--the more
they try to feed the public this shit, the more it will backfire. 'Pugs just don't have a recent great pres to cling to (the closest is maybe Eisenhower?), so they're trying to elevate Reagan to that status. I don't know anyone who really feels that way, despite those stupid "Greatest Pres" polls--those are the equivalent of Leno's "Man on the Street" interviews.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:36 AM
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21. Legislation is moving through Congress to pry Saint Gipper's presidential papers loose
There are reasons why Junior had all of Saint Gipper's and Poppy's presidential papers locked up in 2001. If we can get access to those documents I'm sure the myths of their well-funded propaganda foundations will not hold up. Maybe we'll end up scraping their loser names off those monster aircraft carriers and remaming the Saint Gipper airport after George Washington like it was to start with.

Wonder how many people realize that Iran was going to release the hostages before the election but Saint Gipper and Poppy cut a deal to keep them captive there until they got into power?

The Ronald Reagan Years - The Real Reagan Record
Ronald Reagan - The Bonzo President
The Real Reagan Legacy - Debunking Myths About Reagan
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:54 AM
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25. Hope that bill passes--but doubtful until the Chimperor is out of office!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:59 AM
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29. It passed the House by a veto-proof margin and has been sent to the Senate
It will have to get a 2/3 majority there too because Junior will kill it for sure if he can. There's also a provision to force propaganda foundations to reveal the names of their donors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x409241
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hellbound-liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 05:33 AM
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42. Great link, Lasher! Everyone should use it to take a look at the real Ron Reagan
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 05:33 AM by irkthesmirk
and then maybe they will also see the complete lack of credibility with which we should view the output of the corporate media. It made me absolutely sick to see the way Bob Schieffer and his cronies glorified this bastard when he died.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:42 AM
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22. the media has gone a long way towards building Reagan into some mythical God
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:44 AM
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23. So who will be the MODERATE like FDR was when he was elected?!
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 11:45 AM by calipendence
They were in similar times with people fed up with the party that gave them the depression, and FDR was actually not "the left" in those days, and in those days there was as much force towards communism and other more stronger left wing movements than he was. That is why we need to continue to push the electorate to the left, even if we don't have someone that wins there. If the middle can give us someone like FDR again (perhaps someone like Al Gore and/or Feingold?) then we can get someone that can rebuild our country again.

The right has been pushing their extreme and got so much that way to the point (along with corporate complicity) that we got Bush now, that truly represents right wing fascism rather than some in the past who just were paying lip service to trying to overturn Roe v. Wade, and had their efforts to favorite corporate America a lot more under the covers and not so brazenly out in the open and strident as it is today, as if to challenge that we can't do anything about it now.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:47 AM
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24. They just don't want to admit that * is just Reaganism fulfilled.
Show and photo-ops over substance...

contempt for the gears of democracy...

using fantasy boogeymen as excuses for military action...

Voodoo economics and "free market" cultism...

Lower taxes for the rich uber alles...

How is * an "apostate" of Reaganism?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:56 AM
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27. You're forgetting "not firing on all cylinders"...
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:03 PM
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30. Yup, Poppy and Junior are apostles of Saint Gipper.
Results make this clear


http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:11 PM
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31. Bush's first term was Reagan with STEROIDS and a completley docile presscorps.
Fer chrissakes, it took a category five HURRICANE to blow back some of that category five spin the press was whirling for him since 1999.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:55 AM
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26. pathetic. The right never "went wrong". The right was ALWAYS wrong
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:57 AM
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28. "Founding fathers"? Horsepucky!
Their tradition goes back even further, to Founding Fathers who believed that people should do things for themselves and who shook off a monarchy in their conviction that Big Government is more to be feared than encouraged.

What a load of crap. What conservatives want to "shake off" is anything that's in their way, and they loooooove "Big Government" as long as it's working for them.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:13 PM
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32. I-D-E-O-L-O-G-Y without substance, never works.
Ideology is just smoke, voo-doo, pixie dust, unless you can apply it practially and without needing an Army to enforce it.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:06 PM
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34. And that a-hole was the beginning of this mess!
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:09 PM
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35. Blech - this Reagan sentimentalism is making me ill. Reagan started this train wreck n/t
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:10 PM
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36. The right's move in the wrong direction
was essentially solidified by Reagan.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:16 PM
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37. Fuck the goddamn Reaganites!!
I served under Reagan and later, after I got out, damn near STARVED TO DEATH as a result of his fucking "trickled on" economics. I know a lot of people, some in my family, that look back all misty-eyed at the Reagan legacy.

A jaundiced eye is all that fucker will ever get from me. His bullshit way of twisting shit around is what set the stage for everything that is going on now.

Motherfucker can continue to rot into worm food quietly as far as I'm concerned :grr:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:23 PM
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38. Uh, the very asshole on the COVER is WHERE they went wrong.
but hey, let the great SYMBOLMAN tell you more . . .

Saint Ronnie was the worst thing to happen to the middle class and the poor since the Great Depression.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 03:34 AM
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41. Hey, thanks
I'd forgotten I did that flash, so long ago, been so busy, seems like another life. :)

When I saw this thread, I thought I should exhume that flash and post it here, but YOU beat me to it, that makes me feel proud for having taken the time to go after that Rat Bastard, Reagan..

And I thank you, too bad so many are Comfortably Numb, eh?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:34 AM
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43. I reference it because it's the most informative flash on Rea-gone I've ever seen.
It brings to light scandals that not much of the public knows about or had forgotten due to his buddies at GE and NewsCorpse bullshitting his supposed esteemed legacy. Really, that's all Bewsh II is - Reagan continued, only with two unwinnable wars.

Here's what I'm wondering - why does no one do a flash on how bad the economy is for the middle class and poor during Repuke administrations (and especially this one)?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:50 AM
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44. I would but don't have time anymore, at least for now
finishing up my book, The Jesus Bolt.. once that gets out, and if it does well, then I'll make some more flashes, hopefully without the bill collectors knocking at my door :)

Appreciate your passing it along, now that I watch it, it goes way too fast to catch it all, one of my failings, but whatever gets through it's all CORRUPTION, and like you said, nothing more than a continuation of Reagan's groove, where he wanted to make the social programs so small they could be drowned in a bathtub, Bush is using the Military funding to DEFUND social programs, so he's actually DOING what Reagan wanted all along..

But Ronnie was too busy in the end saying to Nancy, "More Pills.. Pill Lady.." :)

My dad died of Alzheimers and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but if there was ONE person who ever deserved it, it was Reagan..

Thanks again!
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:42 AM
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39. They went wrong by taking Reagan's policies to their natural conclusion
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 01:09 AM
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40. Exactly right...Republican ideology is where this shit begins & ultimately can
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 01:15 AM by GreenTea
only go and end up....How anyone could ever or would ever vote for a republican is more than disgusting.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:55 AM
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45. Yes, George W. Bush is a continuation of Reaganism.
The CIA tortured people in the 1980s, too, but it was under George W. Bush that Congress put into law that tortured people have no legal recourse.
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NDP Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:57 AM
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46. The right went wrong when they adopted Reaganism as their party doctrine.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:58 AM
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47. LOL! Reminds Me of the Canoeing Indian in the Environmental Commercials
from the 1970s.
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