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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:06 AM
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What are the details of Bush moving troops to the US practice putting down civil unrest?
On Stephanie Miller, Jim mentioned that some troops were going to start in Oct to practice for massive civil unrest. Anyone have details? I searched but haven't yet found anything. This is a little scary.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:11 AM
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1. Here you go. very scary indeed.
Edited on Mon Sep-22-08 11:14 AM by eowyn_of_rohan
From the U.S. ARMY TIMES
Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

...The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys. Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

...The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out. In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

...The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.


(etc)<snip>“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

link
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:19 AM
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2. Thanks for the info. How many troops are we talking about? nm
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:54 PM
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4. Soldiers coming from a war zone to control "civil unrest". That's scary as shit.
Who here thinks they won't have any problem pulling the trigger against Americans?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 01:14 PM
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7. all drugged up on the experimental meds that make them heartless
and brainless and soul-less



'Disposable Heroes': Veterans Used To Test Suicide-Linked Drugs
An ABC News and Washington Times Investigation Reveals Vets Are Being Recruited for Government Tests on Drugs with Violent Side Effects
By BRIAN ROSS and VIC WALTER
June 17, 2008

Mentally distressed veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are being recruited for government tests on pharmaceutical drugs linked to suicide and other violent side effects, an investigation by ABC News and The Washington Times has found

In one of the human experiments, involving the anti-smoking drug Chantix, Veterans Administration doctors waited more than three months before warning veterans about the possible serious side effects, including suicide and neuropsychiatric behavior.

"Lab rat, guinea pig, disposable hero," said former US Army sniper James Elliott in describing how he felt he was betrayed by the Veterans Administration.

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StopTheNeoCons Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 01:04 PM
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6. google this" "operation garden plot"
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 01:16 PM
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8. I am so depressed i can't care about anything
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:45 PM
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10. How big is an infantry brigade? Then we'll know what we're dealin' with here.
This is the big "over" as far as I'm concerned. Also, by the way: yes, it is now a police state. Or rather, martial law. At least on paper. Soon in practice I'm sure.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:25 AM
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12. A full brigade is around 3,500 soldiers. n/t
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:59 PM
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5. Even the hardcore RW supporters will be taking shots at soldiers if troops take control
This country is on a razor's edge right now; another Kent State incident where civilians are killed by soldiers could push it into civil war.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:10 PM
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9. No way. What will happen is that there will start to be local crisis when people can't buy food.
The police will "round them up" and put them in a temporary processing facility. This has already happened at some demonstrations. Know one is shooting anyone yet. At some point you will get a knock on your door and the police will ask if you have weapons. If you say yes they will take them, if you say no they might arrest you for interfering and search your house. No-one shooting anyone yet. This happened in NO after Katrina. The gun owners, when faced with M-16 pointed at their faces, gave up their guns.

I don't think the poor bastards at Waco got off a shot. Nor at Ruby Ridge. Defending yourself with a gun is overly romanticized.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:48 PM
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11. Luckily a brigade is only 1,500-4000 people at this point.
"Strength typically ranges from 1,500 to 4,000 personnel."
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