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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:03 AM
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"New revelations re Palin and dominionists"
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 12:04 AM by kath
more from dogemperor

discusses this very good Salon article, "The Pastor Who Clashed With Palin" http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html?source=rss&aim=/news/feature which has been mentioned a bit here at DU - it's worth reading the whole thing.

The piece then discusses Palin's connections with the Bill Gothard crowd, and how the Joel's Army people are explicitly promoting Palin as a latter-day end-times prophet :scared: :

Palin's connections with Gothard--and queenmaking by the heart of the "Joel's Army" movement

Recently, links have been found between Sarah Palin and one of the more distinctly coercive "Joel's Army" groups out there--namely, Bill Gothard's "International Association of Character Cities", one of a veritable hive of frontgroups run by Gothard:

{rom the Cincinnatti Beacon article:}"According to articles in today’s Daily Oklahoman and Washington Post, when she was mayor of Wasilla AK, Sarah Palin "spearheaded" efforts to establish the town as as "a community of character" via the International Association of Character Cities (IACC). What these stories don’t mention is that the Oklahoma City-based IACC is a secular front for Chicago millionaire evangelist Bill Gothard.
. . .
1) When she introduced the "Character Cities" program in Wasilla, did then-Mayor Palin inform other council members that it was a front for Bill Gothard?

In 2006, Arizona State Treasurer David Petersen was forced to resign after getting busted for accepting commissions for implementing Gothard’s Character Training programs in the Grand Canyon state.

2) Has Sarah Palin received any income from the IACC or other organizations affiliated with Bill Gothard? Are she and "First Dude" Todd Palin going to release their tax returns as Joe and Jill Biden have done?

As The Beacon and others seek answers to these and other questions, we respectfully urge Governor Palin, good Christian that she is, to seek guidance from the Character Council of Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky’s "Character Quality of the Month" for September 2008: TRUTHFULNESS."

The links with Gothard are particularly disturbing. Gothard's nest of fronts are among those directly provable to be running training camps for "God Warriors With Guns" and also have a history of links with "Christian nationalist" secessionists and racists. This is, of course, on top of actively infiltrating police and other public safety agencies to convert those to wings of "Joel's Army", and the promotion of religiously motivated child abuse so extreme that it's been linked to murder-suicides due to those being tortured finally snapping.

And...disturbingly..."Joel's Army" certainly seems to be getting the signal on their own end, as she is explicitly being promoted even more on their ends.

One example comes from Fire In My Bones (yes, "Joel's Army" groups love fire imagery) literally comparing Sarah Palin to the Biblical prophet Deborah. The original post seems to have been pulled, but the article was reportedly published in Charisma Magazine, and what is available is disturbing indeed:

A prominent evangelical figure in the U.S. this week said Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin is a modern-day incarnation of the Biblical prophet, Deborah - primed to miraculously slay her nation's enemies on the battlefield.

Writing in his influential magazine, Charisma, editor J. Lee Grady likened the 44-year-old Alaskan governor to Deborah, the Old Testament prophet "who rallied God’s people to victory at a time when ancient Israel was being terrorized by foreign invaders."

Evangelicals who don't support Charisma worry that J. Lee Grady has not only embraced Sarah Palin as a prophet, but in 2005 heartily endorsed Todd Bentley, the disgraced B.C-based faith healer.

Yes, you're reading this right; Palin is now being actively promoted within Joel's Army circles as being one of the very generals of their holy war.

And the article notes just how bluntly the point is being made:

As Grady wrote in this week's column, the gender of the Old Testament prophet Deborah "didn’t stop her from amassing an army; she inspired the people in a way no man could. She and her defense minister, Barak, headed to the front lines and watched God do a miracle on the battlefield."
Grady continues: "In her song in Judges 5:7, Deborah declares: 'The peasantry ceased, they ceased in Israel, until I, Deborah, arose, until I arose, a mother in Israel'... Sometimes it takes a true mother to rally the troops."

Even worse, she's being promoted as a walking, talking prophecy-in-the-flesh by those promoting holy war with America by the same author:

Talk about a role model. Palin’s life is a prophecy to America. She doesn’t have to preach against abortion. She and her family, even with their flaws, are the embodiment of the compassionate pro-life values America desperately needs to adopt.

Even worse yet, there's reports that Joel's Army and other dominionists are literally making imprecatory prayers for McCain's death...so Palin can be president.

The explicit promotion of Palin as a latter-day end-times prophet is disturbing indeed--and a dangerous sign, a strong sign that Palin getting close to the Presidency could have the whole world's fate riding on it.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/16/182959/583/109/600956

It's worth going to the site even if only to skim the piece, since there are many embedded links, even within the text I quoted.

also mirrored at:
http://dogemperor.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/16/1874569-new-revelations-re-palin-and-dominionists
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/16/195615/356
http://www.correntewire.com/new_revelations_re_palin_and_dominionists

Oh, and the full text of the "Sarah Palin and the Deborah Anointing" piece by J. Lee Grady that was "disappeared" from the Charisma site is available in several places, including here: http://juliapalermo.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/sarah-palin-and-the-deborah-anointing-by-j-lee-grady/

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:04 AM
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1. This is a VERY frightening aspect of the barracuda's background...not to be taken lightly.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:07 AM
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2. "she and her defense minister..."
..."Barak?"

So Obama's first name is a "good ol' Bible name?" Interesting...
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:09 AM
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3. Noticed that too -
weird coinkydink, or something...
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:31 AM
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5. I was thinking more as a retort...
...to those who say they are uneasy with his "funny" name.

All four major candidates have Biblical names: John, Sarah, Barack, Joseph.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:19 AM
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4. Religious sites
I don't know about you, but I would not even go to the site you mention. It is possible that they have embedded bad stuff that gets into your computer, just by going there. I realize that I don't know much about such things, but just because they are evil, doe's not rule out them being smart enough to do this. At least don't download anything from there. I don't even do that with sites I am fairly sure of. I'm running out of tinfoil here, so hopefully we win in Nov. and some of these cranks finally lose their protectors.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 06:34 AM
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8. What? Salon.com? Which site are you talking about?
All the links above are ok.

-Hoot
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:27 AM
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6. The DKos link is a deep dark hole
I so want to put a video together on this story. Your link is chocked full of information. Thanks so much for lightening my load on what would have been a daunting task to dig up all of that information. These people are insane and a hair away from gaining power. One link in the story on DKos stated the dominionists are PRAYING for Godless McCain's death so Palin can take over. We have GOT to demand the press look into and report on this sinister cult.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 04:25 AM
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7. Unfortunately, many on our side are inclined to think "it's religion, so respect it"
But it is not. It is a group that thinks God wants them to take over government and use it to impose their view of the world on us. They want and seek power, and they know well to hide from the public their most bizarre beliefs.

They are the most worrisome clan in religion in America today.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:59 AM
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9. Take over the government ,yes, but
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 08:03 AM by old mark
they also want to take over everything else, running a "christian" state much as the several muslim states, with "religious law" (of their own choosing) replacing secular law, and they seriously advocate violence and death against those who they see as non-believers.

They are very much a with-us-or-against-us group, and Palin as president would be an unimaginable disaster to the US.

mark

ADDED: FWIW, Barack is a HEBREW name, meaning Lightning. It is in current use in Israel among Hebrew speakers, as it has been for thousands of years.

It is NOT a "muslim" name.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:29 PM
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10. Something else to think about:
as a commenter on Kos pointed out
It's not only a matter of how much of this Palin herself believes, which is bad enough--if she were to become President, these are some of the folks she would draw upon for many political appointments.

She has already shown a propensity to cronyism and unqualified appointments in her short political career. We have too many of these dominionist nuts in our government already--we don't need more.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/16/182959/583/109/600956
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