If Barack Obama And Joe Biden Do Not Get Elected President & VP Of The United States In November...

[Hissyspit]

...there is something seriously fucked up about this country.

I mean, SERIOUSLY. More so than we've all already realized.

[OhioChick]

1. No shit. n/t

[MiniMe]

2. I'll be out in the streets.

Anybody with me?

[still_one]

6. I will be looking at alternatives to relocate to. Maybe Canada /nt

[tavalon]

11. Yep, I'm doing that right now

I might leave either way, it's beginning to look pretty enticing and the thought of being a maple leafer is nice.

[still_one]

12. I just want to keep my options open. /nt

[tavalon]

19. Uh huh.

Me too. I'm lucky because I CAN emigrate to Canada, based on the scoring system. My profession is greatly in demand. It's a lot easier to wait, knowing I'm not stuck.

[FatDave]

56. I was around 10 points shy last time I checked.

I'm thinking Panama. It's warm, cheap, and they use US$.

[masmdu]

79. Just curious...What is your profession?

[tavalon]

82. Registered Nurse

[tburnsten]

75. That's what she said

[im1013]

10. I'm there!!

:nuke:

[WheelWalker]

14. I'm in.

Free America First.

[TahitiNut]

49. I've had my torch and pitchfork ready since December 2000.

:shrug:

[bdamomma]

65. I would love to put one opinion I have heard to bed

and that is we Americans are gutless.

[wvbygod]

61. To what end?

If McPalin slips in I suspect I will go to work as usual, perform all the usual chores,
continue to eat and sleep and hope for a better future. Knowing Bush is retired I may even sleep
better at night or day.

What do you plan to do out in the streets?

[MiniMe]

63. DC, I live in the area

I'm sure I won't be alone.

I have been going back to work and all the usual chores for 8 years. I can't do it again, especially if it is stolen again.

[GreenPartyVoter]

77. We all should be

[still_one]

3. It will be the beginning of the end of our Republic /nt

[tavalon]

7. Actually, we're at about the middle point, hopefully before the tipping point,

but I'm not sure.

[still_one]

9. I think you are right, especially using the Supreme Court as the basis for this /nt

[tavalon]

4. Well, actually, there is something seriously fucked up about this country

I hope that it isn't a foregone conclusion, therefore, that Obama and Biden will lose.

[Robbien]

5. There is something seriously fucked up about this country

let's just hope it doesn't get in the way of having Dems be elected this Nov.

[Hissyspit]

13. I mean MORE SO

than we've already realized.

[tavalon]

17. Answer: Yes.

The underbelly is seriously decayed. This is the end of another empire. And frankly, that part doesn't bother me. I don't think empire is good and I don't want to be a part of one.

[silverojo]

22. I do.

I don't want to see America and the Constitution destroyed by the Repukes. Ever.

[tavalon]

52. I didn't say that

I said I don't want America to be an empire.

[rwheeler31]

8. These republicans do not believe what they are saying.

[SammyWinstonJack]

62. No they don't but that's okay with them. They just need their followers to believe.

[bdamomma]

66. between the fundis and neo cons we have got to stomp them out.

[liberalmuse]

15. If the 'pubs steal this one.

I'm done being Jane Citizen. This is my last hope. If they kill it, they've killed me.

[tavalon]

18. Howdy neighbor!

I'm with you. Unless Obama/Biden win this, I don't think I have the energy for anything more.

[liberalmuse]

28. Let the young take over this fight.

This is our last, best chance for awhile. A candidate like this only comes maybe once every 20-40 years, if we're lucky. These days, there are so few people of honor it may be another 60 years. If evil prevails, I hope the young have the energy to continue the good fight, because like you, I don't.

I'm not saying I'm going to kill myself, but that is a possibility since suicide runs in my immediate family. I'm a shell of what I was 8 years ago. It could be age. It could be continuous seething rage at seeing injustice heaped upon injustice. However, I do value life, perhaps not my own, but I'm probably too chickenshit to go that route, since I would have done so by now.

Then there's the other option. The 'R' word, Our Constitutional duty when some treasonous power seeks to overthrow the government put in place for, by and of The People. If the 'pubs steal another election, I will not be doing peaceful marches. A lot of good those did. If you're dealing with people who have an iota of conscience, perhaps that sort of tactic works after a while, but these people are heartless, gutless, soulless, nature and spirit-raping fascists. I'll not be funding their wars, or torture, or their pedophilic, imperialist wet dreams any longer.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

34. With the technology available to the "police state" in the event young people,

rose in revolt, they would never have the chance to make the difference many made in the 60's.

There's a whole lot more suffering going to happen before people are ready to take on that challenge.

[JDPriestly]

50. "the difference many made in the 60's"????

You mean the election of Nixon in 1968? Isn't that what all the demonstrations led to? Demonstrations are not effective. Don't demonstrate. It's nice for the folks marching, but it does not get a message across to people. It just confuses people who don't understand why people are marching.

You have to get out and talk to your neighbors. If you haven't started already, start tomorrow. That is the way to change the world -- one person at a time in a quiet, friendly conversation in which you respect the other person's right to have an opinion that is different, even very different from your own. That is how you build bridges and make progress.

[Fumesucker]

68. I've tried talking... Even with my own family it doesn't work..

People not only have their own opinions, they have their own facts.

The only people I can talk politics with are those with whom I'm already in at least somewhat agreement with.

Perhaps it's because I'm in the Bible belt.

I've pretty much given up talking, my wife does it but the stories she comes back and tells me makes me more depressed.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

73. Oh Really? Martin Luther King would disagree with you. Peaceful protest and

civil disobedience have it's place in our Republic.

[JDPriestly]

84. Martin Luther King had the moral authority of religion behind him.

And they really gave him a rough time.

That was long before the police obtained the capacity for surveillance and crowd "control" that they have today, before the government funded the building of today's massive prison system and before building and managing prisons and running mercenary armies (even in the U.S.) became lucrative businesses.

[Indenturedebtor]

64. As a member of "the young" I don't want this fight

I'd rather cast my lot in with one of the many "shining beacons of Democracy" than stick around to fight our police state. Life is short. Selfish? Maybe. But again I only get one life... I'm a patriot of the ideals of Democracy, not a flag.

[Myrina]

71. Agreed ...

... after trying to fight the good fight since the Contract on America in the mid-90's ... I'm tired.

Tired of being beat down, and getting back up only to be kicked in the head again
Tired of losing in the face of all evidence to the contrary
Tired of being told that everything I believe in is 'wrong' or 'pie in the sky'

Just tired.

Part of me almost feels like 'to hell with this place - if people are that stupid, they deserve the GOP'.


:mad: :sad:

[davidinalameda]

16. they won't become president and VP in November

they won't be sworn in until January


:hide:

[Hissyspit]

20. Hey,

can you come over and check out these little bugs in my hair?

:)

There's only so much room in the subject line, but, thanks, I adjusted it.

[davidinalameda]

26. I was joking!

I do have some extra flea medicine from dosing the cats this weekend

[Hissyspit]

39. I know!

I am, too.

But I do think the subject line needed tweaking.

[hootinholler]

83. Um, that wouldn't be nit picking...

The nits are the eggs, not the bugs.

:P

:evilgrin:

-Hoot

[ColbertWatcher]

21. We can't be naive: the GOP are going to steal this election.

The question is, what are we going to do to stop it.

Do we even know which states are vulnerable to their shenanigans?

Are we ready to do what it will take to make sure people are allowed to vote? To make sure the votes are counted? To fight until they are?

We saw it in 2000 and vowed "never again".

When it happened in 2004, we vowed "never again".

It's now 2008.

[HughMoran]

33. No, they're not

Stop putting that poison into the air.

If Dems aren't ready to monitor the elections properly by now, there is no hope anyway.

[ColbertWatcher]

37. "Stop putting that poison into the air."?

I'm a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" type of guy.

We can't be naive.

Hasn't Obama said, "We are the change we've been waiting for"???

If we cannot change the voting system, we aren't going to have a changed outcome.

I'm sorry, but to deny that there's "poison in the air" is not very helpful.

[HughMoran]

38. They can only steal close elections

Keep encouraging people to give up by telling them "it's going to be stolen anyway".

I really don't agree with this type of manipulative technique.

[ColbertWatcher]

45. There's nothing I hate more than manipulation, especially the "passive-aggressive" kind.

I don't see how donate to Obama and the dems, work for Obama and the dems and vote for Obama and the dems somehow means we can't prepare for another election stolen by the GOP.

There are more liberals in this country than there are GOPhers and we can do more than one thing at a time.

I understand the need to be optimistic, but I'm not about to have another election stolen if I can do something about it.

Never again.

[EstimatedProphet]

58. Bullshit

How do you know if an election is close? The polls? If you can't trust the voting, then why should you trust the polls? For all we know there's one McCain supporter in the entire country, because we're not, and never will be, in a position to determine how much support any candidate has, and if the media says it's a close race we don't have the tools to determine otherwise.

[bdamomma]

67. if I ever hear again. Let's move on , from those arrogant

SOB's I will do this :puke:

[samuraiguppy]

23. we should riot.

seriously--how does one emigrate to Canada? I have heard it is more difficult than most people think...

[Fiendish Thingy]

32. a new law was in the latest budget bill (C-50) that alters the Canadian immigraiton process

They're still using the scoring system, but now will be fast tracking applicants who have in-demand skills or existing job offers, and sidelining those who don't. They haven't written the new guidelines or identified the in-demand occupations yet.

We submitted our application just a couple weeks before the deadline under the old system.

Our waiting period is estimated at 12-18mos.

There is a lot of paperwork and documentation, but it is pretty straightforward.

There is a good book on Amazon (don't recall title or author- just search for "moving to Canada"), and the CIC website has a lot of info.

This country, and it's Constitution have been so badly damaged, I fear that Obama won't be able to undo the damage; I'm not waiting for the collapse that seems inevitable. I will not be an expatriate, but rather a Patriot-In-Exile.

P.S. it's not cool to advocate rioting- don't you know Agent Mike lurks in here? ;-)

[Union Label]

41. Cool thanks for the title search parameters

I found a couple of different ones.http://www.amazon.com/How-Move-Canada-Primer-Americans/dp/0312349866/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220418828&sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/American-Canada-Real-Life-Financial-Insights/dp/1550227904/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220418828&sr=1-2

[Fiendish Thingy]

85. I've read the How to move to Canada book,

very informative, I recommend it.

[samuraiguppy]

53. just being sarcastic about that

Excellent helpful stuff re Canada-thanks

[bdamomma]

69. We the people are the only ones who can change this.

let us get everyone out there to VOTE. We all know the stakes are high in this election and we must do everything and anything to win it. We know that these sleazy repigs will say anything or do anything to stay in power, let us show them that we have had enough. To me, they have shown their deep disdain and lack of respect to the American people, I'd say let's kick them in the a$$.

[i-grok]

24. I love Al Gore and have for many years but him fucking up and picking HolyJoe

was the single most idiotic thing anyone has done in several decades. It cost us the election (above and beyond the Diebold shenanigans) and brought us to where we are now, with a real tough race against a very well funded GOP machine and the need to overcome a very real hesitancy of many people to vote for an African American candidate. It's gonna be hard as hell.

[budkin]

25. I've already got backup plans to move to Toronto just in case.

I can't live in this country under 4 more years of hell.

[vanderBeth]

27. One word:

Expatriate

[Subdivisions]

29. What will you do about it?

Let me first congratulate you on your DNC coverage. You done good.

I was watching the RNC earlier and Lieberman made me sick. I mean literally sick. And angry. Profoundly angry. And I was entertaining the nightmare of a McPOW win and wondering to myself what I would do about it. It's tough too because I want to answer and tell all of DU how I feel right now, especially after Lieberman and http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20669.htm">this, along with all the other police state action at both conventions, the constant violation of our Constitional rights, the arrest and charging of journalists like the Democracy Now team, the constant impotence of justice applied to the criminal elements of this government, the false-flag attacks, and so much more. But if I say how I really feel, well...

What will we do? I, for one, simply cannot take another four years of this crap. I just can't. So, what do I do? Leave? I can't. And because I can't, I feel trapped. And the only thing in this life I'm a truly fearful of is not God. It's my own governmnet.

So, if McCain wins, what will you do?

[Hissyspit]

42. I've been working my heart out

instilling critical thinking skills in my students, irritating people with incessant emails about the Bush corruption, blogging in all my spare moments.

You know, I used to be in really good shape. I had washboard abs in 2000. I look like a blobby pear, today.

I don't know. If McCain/Palin take the White House, I just don't know. Sometimes I am hopeful, but sometimes I get so tired... I'm not scared of the government, I'm scared of American society, a society that to a great extent still, as much as it remains silent except to communicate disdain for those who don't remain silent, enables the worst in our government.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

30. I become nauseous just thinking about the possibility

We've been online researching expatriate communities in the event McCain were elected.

[HughMoran]

31. There'll be hell to pay if they are not elected

This is a very important election.

Choose wisely.

[underseasurveyor]

35. IF that happens

I can honestly say that after 48 years on this earth I'm afraid I will know what true despair feels like..


BUT I'm not thinking that way at all... nope!

Barack and Joe are going to WIN:bounce:

[roody]

36. I'm thinking about Venezuela or Central America

or other points south. Can take a measly pension after this school year.

[KillCapitalism]

51. Venezuela would sound great.

Hopefully Hugo would welcome a fellow socialist with open arms.

[arthritisR_US]

40. well....be prepared for the fucked up. n/t

[TrogL]

43. The United States has been in a Constitutional crisis since 2000

You're only now figuring this out?

[Hissyspit]

46. No, I mean EVEN MORE SO.

[Gregorian]

44. A second Bush term already confirmed that.

Listening to ResonanceFM, a london based radio station, I heard an intelligent man say that if Europeans had voted in the primary, in lieu of Americans, we would have had a nominee to the left of Obama.

Fear and apathy.

[Tulum_Moon]

47. RACICISM!!!!!!

[JDPriestly]

48. I won't believe it.

I used to be more interested in politics than my friends. Now, my friends are starting conversations about Obama. I hear them telling others to vote for Obama. Some of them voted Republican in the last election. It is unbelievable.

Of course, this is California, so maybe it is different in other parts of the country.

[Iris]

54. there's an H L Mencken quote that would be appropriate here

but I've got to go to bed now. Maybe I'll look for it tomorrow.

[Pushed To The Left]

55. If that becomes the case, the movie "Idiocracy" will have come true 500 years early! n/t

[FatDave]

57. What if they start another war to get elected?

Will any other countries come to our aid? What does the world do when the most powerful county in the world goes rogue?

[mmonk]

59. It will be certifiably so.

The people will all have a seriously fucked up certficate.

[malaise]

60. On the one hand common sense and 2006 tells me they

will be wiped out in November, but on the other hand I don't see the evil men that have seized every institution renouncing power through the ballot. I am terrified for this planet - thanks Naomi Klein.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

70. I told my husband yesterday that if McCain and Palin "win"

this election, back to Ireland we go. I'm serious. I will not live under another Republican administration, especially one that has McCain as the titular head of it. 8 years of Bush-Cheney were enough for me.

Things might not be perfect in Northern Ireland, but at least they don't have religious right wing fundie nuts and purveyors of Milton Friedman economics running the government over there.

I'm spending the entire month of October in Ireland. We have a house there and it needs some repairs, so I'm going to oversee those. I'll be back in time for the election, I'm returning the Monday before, in order to vote. I don't trust absentee ballots.

I just hope that the American people aren't as stupid and clueless as I think they are. What was it H.L. Mencken said "never underestimate the stupidity of the American people". Well, I'm not underestimating them, just hedging my bets.

[Ishoutandscream2]

72. Lucky duck. At least you have a good plan

Me, I'm stuck here. Too many family obligations. But I can't take 4 more years of this nonsense. I remember draining a bottle of scotch on election night in 2004. I opened it when the returns started coming in - ready to have a celebratory drink or two. But in the early morning hours, I was soused. And I had to go to work the next day with all the Bushbots I worked with, celebrating their victory. I cannot fact that prospect again!

[truebrit71]

78. I will not live under another rethuglican president....I will pack up and take my arse home...

...to England...before they close the borders entirely..

[spanone]

74. the fact that mcdesperate put palin on the ticket already proves this

[La Lioness Priyanka]

76. i think kerry's loss proved that.

[radfringe]

80. my partner says

if that nutjob and the yukon yahoo gets in - we're moving to canada...

:shrug:

after smirkboy was planted for 2nd time, I remember looking at canada's site regarding immigration,and I recall they had a record number of hits from the US, so many at one point they feared the site would crash....

[masmdu]

81. Would move to Japan or Canada

They win. My children will be raised in a society that values it's citizens.