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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:09 AM
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So, now the Christian Right accepts promiscuity among teenagers?
I just want to make sure I understand this right. Spokespersons for various Christian Right sects are now accepting teenage promiscuity but remain steadfast against abortion or in some extreme cases even birth control - is that correct? It seems to me that in light of some statements I, along with tens of millions of others, have seen on TV in the last day that if I were a teenager being raised in a strong Christian atmosphere my conern for chastity would certainly now be greatly diminished.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:10 AM
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1. Yep. It's the Pro-Teen Pregnancy Agenda
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:11 AM
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2. Well at least it makes them consistent for a change.
:rofl:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:12 AM
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3. To them a teenager carrying a child is better than her having those
"feminist" ideas of going to college and having a career.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:13 AM
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4. Correct, just not allowed to say vagina or penis and rectum is also taboo
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:14 AM
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5. No, only for their OWN children...
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 10:15 AM by regnaD kciN
...who must be treated with love and understanding. Everybody else's kids (translation: Everybody else's daughters) must be taught to keep their legs crossed until their wedding night, or they'll burn in Hell for all eternity.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:15 AM
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6. ......
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:16 AM
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8. The Christian Right cares about only one thing - Abortion.
Everything else is expendable. Everything.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:19 AM
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9. Only for white, christian, no birth control teens.
Non-white, non-christian, or birth control using, teens having sex are still going to hell. That's the message I'm getting.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:19 AM
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10. Only as long as it results in a pregnancy that isn't aborted so that Earth can be filled. nt
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:23 AM
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11. Teenage pregnancy is fairly common among the devout.
Because these folks oppose any sort of sex education except "abstinence only", their daughters tend to end up pregnant pretty quickly when they become sexually active. A large portion of the demographic that McCain pandered to with this VP pick will see this family circumstance as a feature, not a bug.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:23 AM
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12. Only if they are white. If they are young people of color-it's an outrage that shows
the destruction of the family.

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:29 AM
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13. If they think they can use it to their advantage, YES they are all for it.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:30 AM
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14. It depends.
if it's other peoples kids or one of their own.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:34 AM
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15. As adherents of Doublethink, yes, they believe it is doubleplusgood! n/t
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:29 AM
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16. No.
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 11:30 AM by igil
That confuses theoretical position with pragmatic position, a set of unranked values versus the same set with a ranking imposed, values taken in isolation versus values as part of a value system. They're usually distinct, but the distinction is usually not explicit and not obvious--sometimes even to insiders, and often to outsiders.

It becomes clear when an imperfect situation comes along, then you find out the ranking, the structure of the system.

I was on a student board. We had a difficult situation, and fought. Somebody pointed out what I just pointed out. After hours of wrangling and name calling, that is. So we scheduled a mini-retreat, and assigned homework: list the values you have for the organization, and order them in importance. We then got together and talked about values in the abstract, and pretty much everybody had the same values--or were embarrassed to have left them out. Then we compared rankings, and found the problem. Acknowledging the same values bridged most of the animosity; we could then discuss the rankings--not without a bit of acrimony, but the problem was mostly resolvable once we stopped thinking of each other as moral midgets.

Same for the church I was in. We had out-of-wedlock births, even though "no premarital sex" was a point forcefully shouted from the pulpit. But so was family cohesion, loyalty, acceptance of individual faults, restoring sinners to the congregation after they lapse, etc., etc. When there was an out-of-wedlock birth, the church's position was clear: If somebody repents and try to do what's right, they *shall* be forgiven and helped; if somebody sins and tries to justify it, or does so in a blatant and flagrant manner, they're history ... unless they later repent and tries to do what's right, then they *shall* be forgiven, and helped. Some people had a different ranking: "no fornication" was vastly more important than "forgive the sinner", and this resulted in problems.

The minister wasn't stupid. Sermons started talking about rankings. Yes, X is important; it's sin. But do you want to say that fornication is worse than not showing forgiveness?

Outsiders only heard the fire-and-brimstone, doctrine-devoid-of-context parts, and made assumptions that were wrong because they missed the structure of the doctrinal system. (For that matter, a few members missed it, too.) Often, rather than questioning the conclusions they reached based on imperfect knowledge and bad assumptions, they wound up trying to keep the faulty conclusions by adding yet other bad assumptions--the church was changing some doctrine, it was inconsistent, it was hypocritical. On occasion it was. More often than not it wasn't.

Are these particular evangelical/conservative Xians being hypocritical or inconsistent, or merely making unignorably obvious a part of their values system? Dunno. I'm not in their particular groups, and remain a bit humble in front of my own ignorance, given my personal experience.
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