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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:26 AM
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I'm reading about Jim Crow laws - I can't imagine every living in a world like this
Fortuntately (although it took long enough) these rules were eliminated by 1965, which was before I was born. But I can't understand how any one could create a law that basically says that because of the color of your skin you must drink in this fountain and not that one. I mean geez, skin color isn't contagious.

But I suppose that event today we will have people who will create 'Jim Crow' style laws in order to suppress the people they think are 'different' including any law that prohibits two people of the same sex from getting married.

What makes people so ignorant that they would willingly want to enact laws that prohibit law abiding citizens from doing things that are legal to everyone else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws#State-by-state_examples

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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:28 AM
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1. Fear does it
Or so I was told by old people who lived like that and accepted it as a way of life without protest.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:29 AM
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3. Agree. nt
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:30 AM
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4. Fear of what - I could catch the Blacks
or todays meme I could catch the gays
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:35 AM
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7. In 1977 Anita Bryant said that "Gays have to recruit"
to insure survival of the sexness (my word). That proclamation went a long way and abetted 'phobes like Jesse Helms and (alas) even Ronald Reagan in pushing the anti-gay agenda.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:14 PM
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40. No
Fear that blacks could somehow become equal to whites. That the races would mix (little did they know that they already had).

Not my words.

What I think the real, however subliminal, fear was about was that those "Christian" people would be called to task over their treatment of other human beings. So it was necessary for the blacks to stay the boogey-man (something to be afraid of) so that whites' dehumanization of them could some how be justified in that twisted view.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:37 AM
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10. Nothing was more racist that the gun laws. Jeez...
www.georgiacarry.org and search locally for Heller brief. A fine summary of gun-control/confiscation a la the South. Some of these laws were protected until the 60s. Their remnants remain in D.C., Chicago, S.F., and a few other locales with large black populations and those progressives who think banning guns is some how liberal.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:15 PM
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20. We've been losing black families for about 15 years here. n/t
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:15 PM
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42. Yeah, it's getting expensive; and whites are moving back to central cities...
The same phenomenon is occurring in D.C., and some project that whites will "equal" blacks within the near future.

Well, this ol' white boy is paying close to $5,000/yr. in property taxes just to stay near the downtown of Austin, TX. Soon, I'll start a counter-trend!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:29 AM
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2. Segregated Florida: James Randi has a great podcast about his dealings with Jim Crow.
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 11:59 AM by IanDB1
Segregated Florida
June 26th, 2008

An up-and-coming magician named James Randi comes face to face with segregated Florida in the early 1960s. Also, hear about Randi’s travels over the past month.

Also, here is the link to the Randi portrait taken by internationally beloved technology pundit Andy Ihnatko and mentioned at the beginning of the podcast.


http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=265623794

More (Including MP3 download and streaming):
http://itricks.com/randishow/?p=25



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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:35 AM
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8. Up and coming?
Randi has been around since the 70s. He was on TV shows then and is big in the skeptics groups.

Neat guy.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:57 AM
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15. He was up-and-coming during The Jim Crow years. n/t
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:26 AM
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43. Gotcha
That makes sense.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:33 AM
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5. i felt the same way while hillary was talking about women and their movement
and was theinking just the audacity of man telling woman she cannot vote. it lets me see where we were adn how today it seems we are being driven back to that time by the rw male

i am also not ignoring what you are saying about the blacks experience. i see the same with them

and with gays, in 2000 like 70% of nation ok with gay marriage. people didnt care until it became a wedge issue and preached in the church and people were taught they were suppose to be offended
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:34 AM
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6. We didn't have Jim Crow where I grew up in the 60s but my town was segregated
by red lining. I didn't even know until I was a teenager. It was illegal, of course. My mom was a realtor and she was told not to show anything "south of the 101" to people of color. That was in 1964 or so. There were two black students in my high school in the early 70s, iirc.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:41 PM
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27. That still goes on in more places than you realize**nm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:53 PM
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35. Oh, I'm sure it does. One way to see it graphically is to pull up
the demographic maps of your city or county. I was just looking at San Francisco this morning.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:36 AM
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9. The Jim Crow laws were passed to try to continue the "caste" system left from old days.
By separating Whites from Blacks, the elite White landowners could further create the illusion that they are "above" everyone else, with Blacks being below them. It is an environment of exclusivity.

When they lost the Civil War, they could not recreate the old order of things, so they substituted Jim Crow for slavery in order to try to create a new environment of exclusivity.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:55 AM
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13. Segregation was about money and power
The white people at the top wrote the laws. The white people at the bottom were the enforcers. Even though the segregationist white people at the top exploited the poor whites and the poor whites knew this, the poor whites knew that the segreationist system guaranteed them that there would always be a group of people beneath them: the blacks.

I grew up white in segregationist Alabama. After the Selma march, I realized that I didn't want to identify with those thugs who beat up innocent people. I helped register a few blacks and taught college prep English in a couple of summer programs for African Amerian high school students. But I did not advertise my beliefs because I was afraid of the repercussions. This was the time of the murder of the three young people in Mississippi just for being part of a voter registration project.

I firmly believe that the prosecution of Ala. Gov. Siegelman was designed to intimidate all Democrats in the state. A lot of people remember that Viola Liuzo (sp?) was murdered for trying to register blacks in Alabama in the 60s. Gov. Wallace wanted to prosecute the FBI informant who fingered the murderer.

A friend of mine told me that Kennedy wanted an Alabama lawyer to defend the informant. Her father-in-law agreed to do so, but because of that his brother kicked him out of their family law firm. The prosecution never took place and her father-in-law lost his job for nothing.

Everyone in Alabama knows that you pay a price for bucking a system designed to keep power and money in the hands of the few.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:22 PM
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24. Yes, that was always present throughout US history. I live next door in Mississippi.
Money and power, but at the same time, they wanted to cultivate an atmosphere of white superiority if not because of personal beliefs but to keep other White people, mainly poor Whites, from recognizing common cause with the poor Blacks that the landlords were their biggest foe. I generally agree with your view of it.

Unfortunately, a lot of White people believed in the system forged by the landowners. Maybe because it made them feel a little more special from other poor people (the Blacks).
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:45 PM
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30. My great grandfather was a share cropper...
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 12:58 PM by misanthrope
...and unmitigated bigot. He and so many of my other relatives never realized (and still don't) that they were/are being divided and distracted to keep them powerless.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:43 PM
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29. Alabama has scarcely evolved**nm
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:43 AM
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11. Lynne
when I was a very little girl, I fell out of the car as my father was driving. I guess the door wasn't closed tightly enough or something. I was lucky in that I wasn't hurt.

We were discussing it some years later, and my dad was saying that it happened as we were going home from the drive-in. The segregated drive in, that is.

I was born in 1955, but I can't remember segregation. That's not necessarily a bad thing (in my book, anyway).
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:46 AM
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12. Jim Crow Laws are still in effect, they have simply moved into darkness
<snip>
One of the problems being a blogger during a time when much of humanity finds itself in a living hell and democracy here in the US is crumbing faster right before our very eyes, it becomes very difficult exposing everything that that is going on, such as completing a post on the situation down in Jena, Louisiana - a small southern town that reveals this country’s history of slavery, Jim Crow law, and lynch mobs. The case is better know as the Jena 6 - Robert Bailey Jr., Mychal Bell, Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, Theo Shaw and an unnamed juvenile.

A brief background of the event for those who are unaware what is happening in Jena. This event started on a late summer day in 2006, in Jena, LA, when several African American high school students, at a school assembly, had decided to challenge an unspoken rule by asking the school’s vice principal if they could sit under a schoolyard tree, dubbed the “White Tree.” The tree was on the side of the campus that had always been claimed by white students, since the school’s inception. School officials told the students they could “sit wherever want.”

http://xicanopwr.com/2007/08/modern-day-jim-crow-injustice/



<snip to The White Tree>

The Latest From Jena July 18th

Alan Bean of ‘Friends of Justice’ has written a comprehensive update and analysis of the events in Jena, Louisiana. This account fascinates because Bean’s optimism is palpable. Bean believes that a sea change is headed toward Jena. I hope it gets there in time to help the young men on trial.

Here’s the latest from Jena. Hours after a community meeting at Jena’s tiny Antioch Baptist Church ended two men from Monroe, Louisiana destroyed a sign in front of the church building. According to eyewitness reports, they also did a “wheelie” on the rain-sodden lawn before driving off. The meeting was attended by 150 people; approximately 60 of whom were from neighboring communities.

I have pasted some of the comments from the Alexandria Town Talk after this brief AP article. The comments are typical: white folks think the boys from Monroe were “stupid”. This is also the term many white Jena and Alexandria residents used to describe the hanging of nooses in the “white tree” at the Jena High School.

Black people see the destruction of the sign as intimidation–a hate crime.

The Jena story is rapidly capturing the American imagination. As of yet, the story hasn’t been featured on the national news, but a couple of weeks should take care of that. The major civil rights groups have yet to weigh in publicly–but behind the scenes the action in the reform community is frantic and unrelenting. This story is about to explode.

I don’t know John Sanderson and Jerry Bufkin, the young white men from Monroe who decided to mow down the church sign in Jena, but the true name of the perpetrators is Legion. The Jena story fascinates and horrifies because it uncovers the dynamics of New Jim Crow racism.

According to most white people in Central Louisiana, there is no association between the nooses hanging from the tree in the High School square and the assault at the school three months later. To hear their story, Justin Barker was the random victim of black thugs eager to beat up a defenseless white kid. In this telling, the incident is stripped of all context. The crime is considered horrifying precisely because it is arbitrary and senseless.

Black people (and a growing cadre of justice-loving white people) are beginning to grasp the broader picture.

People are learning that the LaSalle Parish School Superintendent, Roy Breithaupt, called the noose hanging a childish prank and recommended the mildest of consequences–three days of in-school suspension.

People are learning that black students responded to Mr. Breithaupt’s announcement by staging a spontaneous lunch hour protest in the school square. Black students, led by a group of male athlestes, physically occupied the tree–claiming it as their own. (Thus far, no one in Jena has denied that the tree from which the nooses dangled provided shade for white shoulders only).

People are learning that high school officials responded to this legitimate and honorable protest by calling an emergency assembly in the school auditorium. Every police officer in town was asked to appear in full uniform. District Attorney, Reed Walters, looking cross and distracted, addressed the students.

Imagine a school auditorium in which the white students (in accordance with tradition) sit on one side of the aisle while the black students sit on the other side. Imagine the District Attorney directing his full attention to the black side of the room. Imagine Reed Walters zeroing in on the black male athletes who sparked the lunch hour protest. Now you’ve got a feel for the atmosphere.

Now, imagine Reed Walters waving a pen in the air with a dramatic flourish. “I can be your best friend or your worst enemy,” he tells the black students. The protests at the school have got to stop, he insists, and if they don’t, “With a stroke of my pen I can make your lives disappear.”

I am not repeating hearsay–Mr. Walters admitted to issuing this threat in the course of a mid-July hearing in the LaSalle Parish courtroom. He was angry with the black student protesters, he explained, because they were making a big fuss over nothing. He wanted the white and black students to “work things out on their own” without wasting his valuable time.

People are beginning to understand that Superintendent Roy Breithaupt could have foreclosed on months of outrage and protest simply by calling the noose incident a serious hate crime. That’s all the man had to do. He couldn’t do it.

People are beginning to understand that District Attorney Reed Walters could have defused the tense situation Mr. Breithaupt had created if he had told the student assembly that hate crimes would not be tolerated in LaSalle Parish. Had Walters waved his pen at the white side of the auditorium and issued a warning to the racist element within the student population, nothing would have remained for the kids to “work out on their own.”

But that’s just the problem: Mr. Breithaupt and Mr. Walters didn’t see the noose incident as a hate crime. They didn’t see the hate behind the nooses because they couldn’t. As representatives of Jena’s power people, these men had to see the nooses as a silly prank; there was no no practical alternative.

People are beginning to understand that the official response to the noose hanging (symbolized by the public comments of Mssrs. Breithaupt and Walters) validated the color line the noose hangers were desperate to preserve.

People are beginning to understand that in the wake of Mr. Breithaupt’s “silly prank” comment and Mr. Walters’ “stroke of my pen” threat, the black male athletes who staged the protest under the “white tree” had two choices: they could surrender their pride and manhood by accepting a reassertion of the racial status quo; or they could continue their protest by other means.

Unfortunately, thanks to Mr. Breithaupt and Mr. Walters, all forms of legitimate protest had been taken off the table. If the white noose hangers and the black protesters were going to “work things out on their own” there was going to be trouble–and Breithaupt and Walters knew it.

People are beginning to realize the true significance of Mr. Walters’ threat. He was setting up a situation that was bound to end in racially-tinged violence. Sooner or later some white kid was going to take his lumps at the hands of black kids–and when that day arrived, Mr. Walters planned to be waiting at the courthouse, pen at the ready.

And so, a day after the Jena High School went up in flames, Robert Bailey was brutally attacked by a mob of white students (and young adults) as he entered a Friday night dance. Robert was kicked, punched and whacked with a beer bottle. This was precisely what Mr. Walters was looking for . . . only the violence flowed in the wrong direction.

No matter, everyone knew the assault on Robert Bailey would not go unanswered. Although teachers begged the administration to give the students a few days before returning to class, the administration called for the resumption of classes Monday morning. This decision guaranteed that the demons unleashed on Friday evening would still be dancing–a backlash was inevitable.

Eyewitness student accounts make it clear that the attack on Justin Barker was preceded by a heated encounter between white students taunting Robert Bailey for having had his “butt kicked” on Friday night and black student athletes who were powerless to respond . . . unless, that is, they wanted Mr. Walters to make good on his threat to make their lives disappear.

There is no sense debating the relative demerits of hanging nooses in a tree vs. punching and kicking a defenseless student. Both actions are deplorable. What has been missed in the noose-fight debate is the intimate association between the two events. If Mr. Breithaupt and Mr. Walters responded to the noose incident in a spirit of justice, fairness and simple common sense in early September, there would have been nothing to fight about in early December.

People are beginning to grasp the appalling irony of this case: the man who stripped black male athletes of their constitutional right to protest in September pulled out his pen in December and made their lives disappear. The perpetrator has become the prosecutor.

And now Mr. Walters is being asked to respond to the young men who mowed down the sign in front of Antioch Baptist Church. Since the perpetrators are white and the victims are black, the outcome is pre-ordained–a “silly prank” will spark a mild fine and life will go on.

But not for long. Nothing will ever be the same in Jena, Louisiana. The racial status quo will change. The white tree at the High School must be reconsecrated as a unity tree or it must be leveled. There is no middle ground.

The Perpetrator Becomes the Prosecutor, Alan Bean, Friends of Justice
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:57 AM
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14. I grew up in South Florida during those times.
I remember blacks had separate drinking fountains and bathrooms and they had to sit at the back of the bus. They were not allowed into any white restaurants or movies. And I went to school when they were segregated. I married very young and moved for a while with my husband to New Jersey. I was shocked to see blacks in restaurants and movie theaters. This was in the early 1950s.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:59 AM
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16. You really want to know what makes people ignorant? I accuse religion as the primary source.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:02 PM
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17. I am old enough to remember all that.
I was born in the South but moved with my parents to the northeast at about 4 or 5 years of age. Schools were already integrated. That was my first advantage. We were all children, color didn't matter. My dad, a dyed in the wool Southerner had been taught by his parents who had been taught by their parents the belief that blacks (colored's back then) were actually inferior. My mom took it all in stride; daddy was obstinate. It is what is learned at an early age that sticks with you. My best friend was a little black girl named Minnie. (I have remembered her name all these years.) I took her home one day with me and when we reached my apartment my dad told Minnie we were going out. When Minnie left I asked where we were going. I found out immediately. Daddy took me to the bathroom and beat the crap out of me. Later, Mother had to explain why he spanked me. I learned a REAL lesson that day. I instinctivly knew dad was wrong. That year Minnie and I were still best friends. I knew my dad was wrong. But the predjudice had been so instilled in him I don't think he ever changed. Mom and Dad divorced when I was 13 and my little sister was 6 months old. I have still kept Minnie in my thoughts since we were in the third grade. I have passed that on to my children and luckily they are neither class conscience nor bigoted.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:12 PM
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19. Similar story here
only her name was Nanny. I asked to have her over and she asked to have me over but both of our parents said no. I remember being so sad because they told me why and it made no sense, we were in Kindergarten.

I also think of Nanny but I have not heard about her since Kindergarten, she moved before 1st grade. They broke our hearts that day.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:26 PM
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25. I suppose we remember because the
hurt really never went away.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:56 PM
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37. Also because we KNEW it was not right. n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:05 PM
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18. I can't either, I remember seeing a photo of
a public area in South Africa and being freaked out seeing that there were four restrooms, each had the little outline of a man or woman - 2 each, one in white and one in black.

One black lady told us a story of how she stopped at a restaurant and needed some milk for a baby - and they gave it to her, she just had to go in by the back door!

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:16 PM
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21. I saw it with my own eyes back then, and...
while I never lived it or spent as much time as a should have trying to stop it, I was in shock the first time I saw a "whites only" fountain I was repulsed by the idea and suddenly not very thirsty any nmore. It was inconceivable to me that anyone could live like this-- white or black.

Over the years, though, having met many who lived it back then, some who fought it, it wasn't nearly the big deal we Yankees made of it. Not that it was in any way excusable, but most people just grew up with it and never gave it too much thought. You just dealt with it. Much as the Indian caste sytem, or the British class system, is just assumed. Unjust, rotten, inhuman, insane... Sure, all of that and more, but you grew up dealing with it.

There was an insane hatred of blacks in some quarters, but that seems to have been rare. More often it was simply the benign evil of both sides just not wanting to rock the boat.

One telling anecdote is about Georgia, a part-time cleaning woman we had come in once a week when I was a kid. An extraordinary woman who would likely have done far better had she not grown up in the Georgia cotton fields and had a real education. Hard working, loyal to her employers if the employer was worth her loyalty, and honest as the day was long, she was more than a maid-- she was a confidante and more reliable in some ways after my father's death than most family members or friends.

One day she announced she was moving back to Georgia to work in the fields again. I asked why she would go back there in the midst of that horror and hatred. Did King's movement give her hope for change?

"No," she said, down there I just know where I stand. When they hate you down there, or don't want you somewhere, they tell you up front and don't pull you along while they find a way to keep you out."







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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:18 PM
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22. I remember it!
However, I believe kids have to be taught that crap. When I was little, I remember going
into a department store. One of the fountains said, "Colored Only." I always went to that fountain
because I wanted to see the red and blue water. I was very vexed when it was clear.
I'm not going to claim I'm free of racism. However, I believe my parents didn't cripple me with it.
They never ranted about integration, and it wasn't a 24/7 topic of conversation. I know it had to
be in a lot of homes. I've always been grateful to my parents for not having a home filled with that hate.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:54 PM
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36. Because of the world and society in which we are raised...
...we all harbor racist tendencies, but the degrees of such vary wildly. Remember Jesse Jackson's revelation that he realized he still tensed up and clutched at his wallet when he saw young African-American males approach him on the street?

The key to defeating this is having the courage to admit to ourselves the amount of these socially enforced tendencies that exist in each of us. We can't overcome them unless we do.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:18 PM
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23. I grew up in the Jim Crow South..
What will surprise most people reading this is that back then the races were incarcerated in rough proportion to their prevalence in the population.

Jim Crow is still here, it just flies under the radar now. Today blacks are vastly overrepresented in the prison system.

One in three black men will lose their right to vote due to running afoul of (mostly) the drug war.

Something Joe Biden is a huge proponent of.



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romulusnr Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:34 PM
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26. while you're at it, look up "black codes"
It wasn't just the post-Reconstruction South that hated black people. Northern states were not (as a rule) the black-embracing egalitarians that Civil War revisionists like people to believe. The old adage of "but would you let a black man date your daughter" is rather relevant.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:42 PM
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28. A really wonderful book and movie "Once Upon A Time When We Were Colored"
illustrates what life in the South under Jim Crow was like for people of color.

Tim Ried (remember him--Venus Flytrap--from WKRP in Cincinnati) read the book and determined that it must be made into a movie and did so beautifully.

I cannot recommend it highly enough.

http://www.ebertfest.com/six/once_upon_a_time_review.htm

Once Upon a Time . . . When We Were Colored

Roger Ebert

Tim Reid's "Once Upon a Time . . . When We Were Colored" re-creates the world of a black community in the rural South in the years from 1946 to 1962, as hard-line segregation gradually fell to the assault of the civil rights movement. It is a memory of the close bonds of family, friends and church that grew up to sustain such communities, in a society where an American version of apartheid was the law.

The key word there is "community," and rarely has a film more movingly shown how people who work, live and pray together can find a common strength and self-respect. There are 83 speaking parts in this ambitious film, which spans four generations and remembers not only the joy of Saturday night dances and Sunday church socials, but also the cruel pain of a little boy learning to spell his first words: "white" and "colored." By the end of the film, we feel we know the people in the "colored town" of Glen Allan, Miss., and we understand why such communities produced so many good and capable citizens.

The movie is based on a 1989 book by Clifton L. Taulbert, who published it with a small Kansas City firm and then saw it reach the best-seller lists after a strong review in the New York Times; it was the first book requested by Nelson Mandela after he was released from prison. One of its early readers was the television actor Tim Reid ("WKRP in Cincinnati," "Frank's Place"), who determined to film it even though it seemed "commercial" in no conventional sense. He assembled the enormous cast, shot on location in North Carolina, and has made a film that is both an impressive physical production (the period looks and feels absolutely authentic) and a deeply moving emotional experience. In many ways this film compares to "The Color Purple," although it has a simpler, more direct, less melodramatic quality; it is not about a few lives, but about life itself as it was experienced in the segregated South. (snip)

It is almost impossible to express the cumulative power of "Once Upon a Time . . . When We Were Colored." It isn't a slick, tightly packaged docudrama, but a film from the heart, a film that is not a protest against the years of segregation so much as a celebration of the human qualities that endured and overcame. Although the movie is about African Americans, its message is about the universal human spirit. I am aware of three screenings it has had at film festivals: before a largely black audience in Chicago, a largely white audience in Virginia, and a largely Asian audience in Honolulu. All three audiences gave it a standing ovation. There you have it.


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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:46 PM
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31. The government is running a concentration camp for Muslims in Cuba.
Right now.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:47 PM
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32. Anybody who thinks this was restricted to the South read "Sundown Towns"
By James W. Loewen. He also wrote Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your High School History Textbook Got Wrong and Lies Across America: What Our Historic Sites Get Wrong. It was all over the country and continues to this day. One example in the book is a "public" park in Grosse Pointe just over the line from Detroit that requires a "park pass" to prove your residency. A lot of restrictions were going on in the Midwest. Hell, in the 1920s the entire state of Indiana was run by the Ku Klux Klan, that's not an exaggeration. The Governor was a Klansman. Villa Grove, Illinois had a siren on a water tower that sounded at 6:00pm that told blacks to get out of town before the sun went down. This was in use until 1998.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:50 PM
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34. I caught his BookTv presentation.
That was amazing.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:47 PM
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33. Um, skin color isn't a disease of *any* sort - contagious or not.
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38. If you want to learn more...
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:02 PM
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39. Interesting factoid about Jim Crow
The nazis modeled the Nuremberg Laws (ie the first batch of anti-Jewish laws) on Jim Crow. They had segregated park benches, etc. Of course we all know it didn't stop there, but that's how it started.
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41. You already do. Talk to the homeless people and their advocates.
How many anti-poor people laws have been passed in your city/county/state? Overt legal discrimination based an race is no longer acceptable (don't worry, there's still plenty of sneaky ways to punish people for their melatonin content), but economic discrimination is just as prevalent and accepted throughout "our" country as racial was during those times.



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