Here's a McCain voter:

[trof]

A forwarded message from a guy I knew way back when we were apolitical popped up in my inbox yesterday.
An article by Thomas Sowell bashing Obama, his church, the Clintons, etc., ad nauseum.

The guy sent it to dozens of people, but didn't send it Bcc.
I call this a target rich environment, and naturally hit 'reply all'.
:evilgrin:

I replied with an article from Jack Cafferty's blog titled "Is McCain another George W. Bush?"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/18/cafferty.mccain/index.html

Here's one response I got, from your typical McSame voter.
It speaks for itself and needs no comment from me:
(BTW, the original sender has TAKEN ME OFF HIS LIST! :rofl:

"Trof, since you sent this, I assume you agree with Cafferty. Let me see if I have this right. You don't think McCain would make a good president because all he says about his religion is that "It means I'm saved and forgiven." You would rather have a bible thumping evangelist for president? Are you implying that the other choice - Obama's church - is somehow offering the finer points of debate of this age old subject?

McCain graduated from the Naval Academy. Period. Doesn't matter where he was in the class standing. My experience in the Navy is that most of the ring-knockers weren't worth listening to anyway. Last in that class puts him higher on my list.

The guy was a POW and that record speaks for itself. Not from the lips of John McCain but from the others who were there with him.

Running your mouth off about Bush has no place in the debate for the next president. Get a clue - he's not running! You only have two choices now. Most of the problems you blame on the president - like most fools on both sides - really are a result of the congress and we've had a Democratic Party majority for some time now. That's why we have a huge debt.

Did you even read this crap before you sent it? Next time you want to send drivel like this, don't hit reply to all. I can provide you with plenty of reading material from FOX and Rush Limbo. If I want to turn my brain off, I can drink. It's less painful than CNN."

[ColbertWatcher]

1. "The guy was a POW and that record speaks for itself." Wow. n/t

[alfredo]

11. So he got shot down. Shit like that happen in a war. Being under the

complete control of another person for five years is not what I call executive experience. Making propaganda spots for the enemy is not something that will make you a great communicator. Dumping your severely injured wife for a younger, richer woman does not display moral leadership.

[ColbertWatcher]

13. Well said! n/t

[alfredo]

15. thanks.

[grannie4peace]

2. cheers to you!!!!!!!!!

his message was painful to me

[BOSSHOG]

3. "We've had a democratic majority for some time now"

The lemmings are definitely on message. I believe limbaugh should take sowell to the DR with him for a little R&R. They are both sad, friendless disgusting human beings kept alive by the fact that there are incredibly ignorant people in our country who keep them in business.

Give em Hell Trof!

[SheilaT]

4. Do you think you want to let him know

that Fox and Rush watchers/listeners are the least informed of all?

No one who cc's many people should be shocked at a "reply all" The one time I didn't do that was that there were so many (hundreds, perhaps thousands) of addresses to reply all that it wouldn't go through that way. And it is the best way to get off someone's list.

[skids]

5. Thanks that's educational...

Confirms a lot of things I was starting to suspect.

First and foremost, when persuading a McCain voter stop at "3rd Bush term" and DO NOT go into any "Bush bashing." Stay focused on McCain. They already know you hate Bush. They've been conditioned to turn it off, and to consider the fact that you talk about Bush to be an indication that you don't know enough about the 2008 candidates.

Second they are "proud to be ignorant" types so drop arguments based on McCain's lack of intelligence. You can still mention Obama and Biden are smart, though. :-)

The "if you are explaining you are losing" tactic may be true but that doesn't mean one should cede the meat of an attack. First attack the validity of the attack, just say you do not believe it and a couple good personal opinions about the candidate in that area. e.g. "I think this church stuff is total bullcrap blown all out of proportion. Obama looks pretty even headed and even handed to me."

[rurallib]

6. Incredible in its ignorance.

So sad, but near to half the country believes this. Thanks to the media that perpetuates the lies, distortions and ommisions.

[Ilsa]

7. Maybe they should nominate some other

"victims" for president, since they seem to think that is what qualifies a person for the office.

[pokercat999]

8. Here's what is really scary....These idiots are allowed to VOTE!

Really, shouldn't there be some kind of test to see if you understand at least the very basic issues in even the most rudimentary form? I mean really, just something based on say 5th grade civics and say the top three issues of the day. Maybe name the three branches of federal government, the branches of your state government and their basic responsibilities and one or two facts about the Iraq war, health care/health insurance in the US and maybe the housing crisis. This small test to get a voter ID Card. If you fail you can retake the test till you pass....not much, just something, just a verbal exam to see if you qualify as a living human.

[trof]

9. Ha! Turns out the email is a hoax. Not authored by Sowell.

So typical.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/thomas-sowell.htm

[jimshoes]

10. And this from someone who's party brings up Clinton

at every opportunity to cover their misdeeds and corruption.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Yeah, it's the Democrats that made the 'huge debt' and not the $1+ billion a day, Bush has been

borrowing for years!

[Mz Pip]

14. Send him this from another POW...

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
Phillip Butler | March 27, 2008

As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States.

People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW.

John's treatment as a POW:

1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.

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3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first.

I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.

Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.

I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.

I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican.

<SNIP>

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.htm...