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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:57 AM
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Nature: Case Not Closed
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7207/full/454917a.html

Editorial

Nature 454, 917 (21 August 2008)

Case not closed

The FBI says it has evidence showing that Bruce Ivins was behind the 2001 anthrax attacks — but with his death, this will not be tested in court. A full enquiry into the case is needed if justice is to be done. Was Bruce Ivins a scientist-gone-wrong who single-handedly orchestrated the 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States? Or was the 62-year-old anthrax-vaccine researcher at Fort Detrick, Maryland, an emotionally unstable innocent whose profile made him a convenient fall guy for the FBI? The jury is still out on those questions — or rather, it would be if one had ever had a chance to hear the evidence. Ivins's apparent suicide last month means there will not be a trial, which makes it all the more important that the government release the evidence it planned to use to accuse him. In full. Now.

On 6 August, the FBI's parent agency, the US Department of Justice, released what it described as hundreds of pages of evidence against Ivins, and declared it would close the case because it was satisfied it had its man. But Ivins's attorney, Paul Kemp, has described these documents as "heaps of innuendo and a staggering lack of real evidence". He has a point. Only full disclosure can lift suspicions that the FBI has again targeted an innocent man.

For example, many of the documents are just search warrants — a reminder that, despite extensive searches of Ivins's house and cars, the FBI failed to come up with any physical evidence directly implicating him in the attacks. Similarly, the bureau has no evidence to place Ivins at the postboxes in Princeton, New Jersey, from which the anthrax-laden letters were sent. The core of the case against Ivins, as released so far, is contained in just a couple of dozen pages of affidavits — only four paragraphs of which discuss what the FBI says is the smoking gun: the genetic analysis of the anthrax powder from the letters. ...

Although this openness about the techniques is commendable, neither the conclusions drawn from the scientific analysis, nor such crucial legal elements as the veracity of the provenance and handling of samples, have been tested in court. So far only one side of the story has been heard: that of the prosecution. ... The FBI should explain why it thinks the scientific evidence implicates Ivins himself, and not just the flask. As Kemp aptly puts it: "In this country, we prosecute people, not beakers." The absence of such a full disclosure can only feed suspicions that the FBI has again targeted an innocent man in this case — as it did with former Fort Detrick researcher Steven Hatfill. This case is too important to be brushed under the carpet. ... It is essential that such an enquiry takes place.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:10 AM
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1. The FBI is far too willing to frame innocent people: e.g. Richard Jewell
It's just good luck that they don't succeed more often. But it also raises the question of how many other innocent people are sitting in prison or lying in a grave because of FBI criminality/incompetence.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 08:40 AM
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3. Where is Ivins' legal team in all this?
Do THEY have any exculpatory evidence? Why is it that we've been treated to a long, drawn-out and flawed version of the prosecution's case?

Did Ivins even have a decent lawyer? And if so, why the silence?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:17 AM
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5. FBI has the bullhorn. Paul Kemp does well when he gets any
coverage -- usually only one line to counter a big steaming pile. He'll be before congress when they come back.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:49 AM
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6. Ah, Paul Kemp, thanks
I'll look for his name.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:15 AM
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4. This article talks about the science briefing in English
and with a little less spin than the NYTs piece of yesterday:

FBI says it easily replicated anthrax used in attacks

Robert Roos * News Editor

Aug 20, 2008 (CIDRAP News) – The FBI, seeking to counter scientific skepticism on its investigation into the 2001 anthrax attacks, insisted this week that the anthrax powder could have been made by one person and contained no "intentional additives" to make it more dispersible.

At an Aug 18 news conference, the agency also acknowledged a specific error in the investigation and promised to release detailed information on the probe in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

At the same time, officials conceded that they probably will never be able to dispel all doubts about the case against Bruce E. Ivins, the anthrax researcher who died in an apparent suicide as the FBI was about to announce charges against him.

"I don't think we're ever going to put the suspicions to bed," said Vahid Majidi, assistant director of the FBI's Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate, as quoted in press accounts. "There's always going to be a spore on a grassy knoll."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/bt/anthrax/news/aug2008anthrax.html
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 04:20 PM
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9. don't you like how they marginalize any scientific discussion with pejoratives about a grassy knoll
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:47 PM
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12. I can't remember who said this now, but it wasn't me.
"When did ridicule become part of the scientific method?"
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:14 PM
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7. It's nice to see one of the foremost science periodicals taking a stand on this. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 04:01 PM
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8. Hey, if you have a minute, would you go look at this?
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:22 PM
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10. That is bizarre. Your comments on the site say it all.
It appears that the way Nature is trying to be "fair and balanced" is to use a government scientist with an uncomfortable association with Ivins to uncritically spread now disproven FBI talking points to smear Ivins.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:46 PM
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11. I love Nature. That was just really strange.
:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:55 PM
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13. There was something else about Haigwood that I didn't post there.
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 05:55 PM by sfexpat2000
In November of 2007. an undercover animal rights activist went into Haigwood's center, got himself hired and filmed awful stuff. Warning. He filmed them getting semen from monkeys via a system they called "electroejaculation" and other pretty horrible things.

The whole case went away pretty quickly, unlike previous cases.

I didn't post about it because the sources I've seen aren't great although the basics seem to be true.

But, like Jean Duley, Haigwood wasn't exactly invulnerable. :shrug:
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