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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:40 PM
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I Received The Following E-Mail Today And Really Don't Know How To.....
respond to the sender on it. Any help would be appreciated. Is this for real? Was there a conference last week in D.C.? Did Dick Lamm say this? Dick Lamm was a Dem Governor of Colorado. I think he switched to the Reform Party after he left office.

Here is the text of the e-mail:

"Suicide of America

I found this too profound not to pass on. Insightful reading, and a needed reminder for all of us, especially our leaders in Washington.

Dick Lamm is the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington,DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America.

The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do.

No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide."

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: " First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.

Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims."

Lamm went on: " Second, to destroy America , invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

" Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority plation."

" My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precet. People
undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions.

Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will " Balkanize " America as surely as Kosovo."

" Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking.

Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-cultum, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed.

Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and
national cohesiveness. American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America. Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast.

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path.

If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on just as I did for you. NOTHING is going to happen if you don't! Now it's your turn."
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:42 PM
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1. According to Snopes, it is true, albeit, IMO, stupid.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:43 PM
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2. Snopes is your friend
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp

It's a bit long in the tooth at the very least.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:44 PM
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3. The "monster" is this administration......
and there is probably no way to respond to this email... I am getting stuff daily that I just have to delete.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:44 PM
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4. Unfortunately this is apparently fairly accurate (i.e. that Lamm said it, not that it's true!)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:44 PM
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5. He is an insane bigot. Extreme xenophobia...
The huge influx of Italians & Germans & Poles & Swedes etc etc etc drove other people over the same cliff in their times...
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:46 PM
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6. Excuse me while I go throw up...
:puke:

What a bunch of vile crap. I'd block whoever sent this garbage. It's fear-mongering and blaming a segment of the population for the country's ills. That's what the Nazis did.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:46 PM
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7. Reply in Spanish
And make sure that you boldface some words in the text, underline some others.

:)
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:47 PM
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8. Yeah, he said it. Lamm is a racist. And this is overwrought, dated BS.
Lamm is a eugenicist. He is an extremist who has no further place in the public debate.

And I have seen some hyperbolic writing, but this is so over the top I can't think of anything worse.

From Wikipedia, just one sentence: "In July 2006 Dick Lamm said that many Blacks and Hispanics had formed an underclass whose cultures were "not success-producing" in the midst of a national immigration debate that is especially strong in Colorado."

He's a racist nut. I'm sure he had no problems with German or British immigrants.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:48 PM
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9. This part is true:
We ALL remember the bloody CANADIAN CIVIL WAR!

"The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' CANADA, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided."

:eyes:

:crazy:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:49 PM
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10. It's true
Snopes verifies that Lamm did say this.

I don't know what you can say really. It's this Lamm's opinion. Opinion is just opinion. It is not fact set in stone.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:49 PM
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11. "we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together"
Darn. Just like Jesus wanted.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:50 PM
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12. America has always been a mix of different cultures.
Destroying what the US stands for means destroying the Bill of Rights.

Support civil liberties if you want to preserve American ideals.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:53 PM
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13. I have spent most of my life living in cities
except for a few years in an incredibly ethnically diverse small town. I just don't understand that "us vs. them" mindset that flies into full paranoid overdrive at the sight of a face of a different hue or the sound of a different language or even accent.

These loons have been popping their corks with every single wave of immigrants: the Germans, the Irish, the Jews, the Italians, and now the Mexicans and other Central Americans. The rhetoric never changes. Only the target does.

The only people who have come close to destroying this country are the WASP patrician class with their sense of entitlement to a position far above the rest of us. They have their representative in the White House now and our country is under attack like never before.

Unfortunately, our corporate media will never tell most people about this.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:53 PM
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14. Tell hhim what a pack of racist crap this is and that Lamm is racist, and
that you are putting him on your spam list.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:56 PM
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15. Richard Lamm used to be a Democrat....
....though more recently, he unsuccessfully sought the Reform Party nomination for president:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lamm
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:56 PM
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16. When you get old
your brain hardens up and becomes more protective, even paranoid.
Poor Dick Lamm, he was an ok gov.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:02 PM
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17. OMG! Does Switzerland know?!?
"History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. "

Uh-huh. :eyes:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:05 PM
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18. Odd
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 05:06 PM by wryter2000
Canada must have died ages ago, or at least Quebec must surely be in its grave.

Oh wait...this only applies if the people from the other culture are non-white. Silly me. :sarcasm:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:11 PM
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19. racism under the guise of legit, long-winded scholarship
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 05:13 PM by Blue_Tires
of course, lamm has no real evidence of these outrageous claims, and pretty much discredits himself with that 'bilingual societies are a curse' shit by itself...There are too many successful examples in history (ironically many of them in europe, since this little meetup is a thinly-veiled white identity movement conference) to take that point seriously...and it is a shame, because shit like this e-mail is a jingoistic obstacle to an honest discussion on the industry of cheap, undocumented laborers...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:33 PM
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20. I wish people would look into who this "xenophobic idiot" is.
Probably the most liberal governor Colorado ever had, presiding over Denver's (and by extension, Colorado's, "golden age")

Sometimes the truth is just unpleasant to face.


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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:17 PM
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26. A racist liberal is no liberal. -nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:54 AM
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27. This has nothing to do with race and I suspect you know it.
The fact is that we have 7 billion people on this planet and the US cannot support them all here. It would make no difference if this were an invasion of 10s of millions low skilled Europeans, Samoans or Venusians, they would still suppress wages and tax what remains of our systems beyond their capacity.

Do you, by any chance work in the trades? Are you aware that actual wages (dollar for dollar, not adjusted for inflation/devaluation) in this once livable field have fallen 50% over the last 25 years?

We do need to completely revise our immigration laws, they are terrible and the most important provisions, severe penalties for employers, are completely missing. Of course there are racists that have attached themselves to this crisis, but that does not mean that it is not a problem.




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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:14 PM
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29. Thou suspecteth wrong. -nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:31 PM
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31. Then look at it objectively and learn.
Do you want the whole nation to work like Texas?

California has gone from the 4th largest economy in the world to 6th, and still declining, since Raygun's amnesty, while it's population has nearly doubled. That sound appealing to you?

Health care, education, infrastructure, average income, longevity, infant mortality, quality of life, construction standards, pick a category...




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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 06:49 PM
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35. No answer?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:56 AM
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28. Lamm's gone off the deep end on this illegal immigrant thing.
Not sure how it happened, but that's all he's about anymore.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:34 PM
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32. When people begin to face their inevitable mortality, they frequently pick an issue
as "the most important" and spend their remaining years devoted to it. This is one of the big ones.



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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:44 PM
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21. ttt
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:00 PM
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22. Shorter version
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 03:01 PM by alcibiades_mystery
What's Destroying (White Anglo) America(n Domination)

1. Letting the fucking wetbacks, gooks, and Ay-rabs keep opening their own food places and kooky churches!
2. Invent a way of teaching people to get along. Soon, they'll start asking about all the things we've done to make sure they DON'T!
3. See #1.
4. Letting the niggers and spics have so many goddamn little nigger and spic babies. Sheesh! They're gonna want jobs, you know? OUR JOBS!
5. A real accounting of history and policy.
6. Not pretending that White Anglo Dominance isn't a problem, but rather attempting to fix it. That would spell the end of White Anglo Dominance, for sure!
7. Not letting me call a nigger a nigger. It's the only way they learn their goddamn place. So, for example, as soon as they read this here list, they can just say I'm a racist (which I am) rather than dealing with the substance of the list, which is a primarily comprised of my racist screeds.
8. Not enforcing the reading racist propaganda.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:14 PM
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25. well said
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:05 PM
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23. If the speaker is not a Native American then he is an illegal alien too...
..."immigration overpopulation conference"? Did they hand out white sheets as you entered the room?

What a pile of crap...
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:40 PM
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24. "...methodically, quietly..."
"...darkly..."

And there you have it.

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:15 PM
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30. Tell him the Mexicans are just taking California back and that payback is a bitch
The Mexicans were here first and the US took all the border states in the aftermath of the Mexican American war.

And before the Mexicans there were the Native American Indians which includes Mexican Indians.

So where does it say the land is only for Anglosaxons?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War

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romulusnr Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:10 PM
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33. the notion of the sanctity of the state
is among the worst development of the 20th century.

Nations do not equal states. When states realize that, they fare a lot better. Nationhood is at odds with the state, because the nation is fluid, and the state is not.

Look at the UK, They have dealt with the difference of nation vs. state by devolving its government. The nations of Scotland and Wales now have increased home rule instead of direct rule by the state of the UK. Is the UK weakened as a result? (What makes a nation-state "weak"?)

It's not the state that matters, it's the nation that matters. Nations are made by people, states are made by governments.

When the state considers itself the dominant entity above the nation, that is when the crisis brews. If nations destroy states, it is because the egotistical, self-perpetuating state destroys nations. That is exactly what this letter advocates -- the destruction of nations in the name of the preservation of the state. The state is attempting to define nations when in fact it can only be that nations define states.

Now, I'm guessing the writer of the email has not really spent much time outside his home state. Because even within White English America, there is broad difference of culture, from coast to coast and interior and from north to south; from cities to suburbs to small towns to rural expanses; etc., etc., etc. Of course, I'm certain that the author would be in favor of homogenizing all those as well.

The email, of course, is not simply an illegal immigration statement, but has ramifications for ALL immigration. This is not simply a conservative screed but a NATIONALIST screed. And it denies 200 years of American culture which has developed not in a vacuum but from the contributions of many dozens of cultures.

After all, Lamm is a German name.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:20 PM
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34. There is a study out that I read about a few years back that
if every Hispanic were to disappear from California overnight, the whole state's economy would collapse and there would be chaos. I'm talking about documented Hispanics now as well as illegal immigrants. Crops would rot in the fields. Restaurants wouldn't be able to operate. Hotels couldn't function and rich people wouldn't have maids, nannies and gardeners. That's really how crucial this population is to the state. Also, California was once part of Mexico, so it's natural that it would have a Spanish and Mexican heritage.
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