Russia invading Georgia? BAD. Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

[muntrv]

No comment from Bush-Cheney-McSame.

[AllentownJake]

1. Those were Georgian territory

Georgia had some moral ground to take authority over territory that is recognized internationally as their own. We keep asking Pakistan to do it with the area that borders Afghanistan.

[tabatha]

3. Why would they invade their own territory

targeting civilians?

I think there is a 1992 agreement that they were independent, and there were Russian peacekeepers in the country.

[doublethink]

4. Moral authority to bomb their own people then ?????

Did Saddam have the moral authority to gas his own people then? With gas the U.S. furnished him back then, while the U.S. looked away. But that's history now huh. Anyway what moral authority would Bush have to bomb any relatives of yours in California lets say? Kill like 2000 innocents to 'restore order' ..... just asking. Peace.

[AllentownJake]

6. I didn't say alot of moral authority

However, if Quebec declared independence Canada would have the right to retake the province.

[doublethink]

9. Hypothetically speaking okay .... lets say Quebec ... lets call them the

Quebcians ... the people that occupy Quebec .... were 90% Americans living there ... and conflict broke out where as We the U.S. and Canada both decided to send in 'peacekeepers' who happen to be there for ohh bout 16 years. Then all of a sudden Canada bombs the shit out of the area, with our 'peacekeepers' and 90 % of the population of Americans still occupying the area. 2000 dead Quebecians ..... call it what you may ..... but please the words 'moral authority' either a little or otherwise are not the words to describe what your saying.

Personally I think what's going on is a big geopolitical power game, over a pipeline, gas and oil resources. The rest is just fodder for the masses. Peace.

[Occam Bandage]

7. Not to attack civilians, no--but they do have a right to attempt to

regain control of a province in open rebellion. I hardly approve of Georgia's actions, but it isn't so cut-and-dried as "Georgia invaded South Ossetia."

[AllentownJake]

8. Russia was goading the South Ossetians

to start shit as well.

[dipsydoodle]

13. Hmmm

[doublethink]

14. If that's the case than would you agree that the Russians have a 'right' ....

to regain control of Georgia .... all of it? After all it was a 'province' of theirs for such a long time too, not too long ago. Where do these Governments get these 'rights' not decided upon by the people occupying the land ..... rights of overlords or something? God givin rights? Nations, boundaries, provinces come and go. The Ossetians declared 'Independence' from Georgia 16 years ago. I still argue the provocation to retake the area by force the way they did borders on a crime against humanity. Peace.

[Occam Bandage]

16. I am not against self-determination for S. Ossetia. I'm strictly speaking about international law.

S. Ossetia is not recognized as a nation by anyone, to the best of my knowledge--as such, Georgia has the right to exert control over its own territory. Russia, of course, does not have the right to invade its neighbors.

With that said, I believe that the Ossetians ought enjoy the right of self-determination. I also believe that Russian motives are hardly pure in this, nor are Georgian.

[doublethink]

15. One other thing ... what you may refer to as 'open rebellion' ......

in one part of the world ... someone else may refer to as 'Independence' in another. Just as someones 'terrorist' may be seen as someone else's 'freedom fighter' ....... It's all bullshit to me. Peace again. :)

[still_one]

10. You are right. How the conflict actually started is questionable also /nt

[Robbien]

11. Not Geogian territory. They won their independence in 1991. Georgia Invaded

a sovereign territory. Now Russia is invading them.

There are consequences to acts of aggression.

[AllentownJake]

12. What international body has recognized those regions as independent?

[Seen the light]

2. Hasn't Georgia offered a ceasefire?

If that really is true and Russia continues the bloodshed, they're as bad as Bush.

[JAYJDF]

5. Not as simple as that, I don't believe

Behind the scenes reason Georgia attacked when and where they did.
Another fkn war about oil!!!!!!!!!
Busch is behind this big time, again, for the oil.