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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:05 PM
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"NYT Changes Anthrax Story...As I Was Reading It!"
August 1, 2008 at 10:25:23

Headlined on 8/1/08:
NYT Changes Anthrax Story...As I Was Reading It!

by scott creighton Page 1 of 1 page(s)

www.opednews.com

........... I was having some coffee and reading the news.

All over the MSM sites was the anthrax story being finally solved (just after the main suspect was found not guilty, I might add. what a coincidence! And this new suspect ”killed himself” so there will be no investigation. Case closed! My story to follow this) and I was reading the New York Times article which had some interesting facts that the other MSM sources didn’t.


Guess what? That 2 page story, as I was reading it, when I went from page one to page two, refreshed page 1… because that is all that was there. THEY REPOSTED THE STORY WITHOUT THE ODDITIES THAT THE OTHER MSM DIDN’T HAVE!!!

They shortened the story to one page by taking out some KEY information that they had originally posted with the story. I knew I should have copy and pasted it! (If anyone still has the original, please let me know!)

What they took out was very interesting. They quoted a doctor, who worked with the guy who is now being accused of the anthrax attacks, as saying he didn’t think the guy did it. They took that part out! They also took out the part where this guy received the highest Pentagon award a civilian can get for his research into an anthrax vaccine to be given to our troops in 2003. They took that out! And they also took out the part where this guy was cited for testing areas outside the restricted area for anthrax spores. And he found them, in someones secretary’s desk and keyboard! Remember how this stuff was found on the mail from the drop box? It bleeds through the envelope. So, when he found it in someones secretary’s desk and then on her keyboard, that might be a good place to start looking for the culprit. But they took that part out!

hmmmmmmmmmmm
more at:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/NYT-Changes-Anthrax-Story--by-scott-creighton-080801-753.html
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:09 PM
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1. All the news that is fit to print..................
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:15 PM
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2. It wasn't a secretary..
it was his officemate. IOW, there was Anthrax all over his office and he cleaned it up himself and didn't tell anybody about it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:27 PM
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18. Wait . . . no -- go back to original article . . ..
It was a co-worker -- and SHE HAD THE 'LETTERS' AND WAS TESTING THEM . . .

That's why a few days ago in another thread I was asking for clarification of that info!!!

Now how dumb would they all be to NOT understand that the stuff leaks out of envelopes

AFTER it leaked all over mail everywhere???




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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:19 PM
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3. Kicked nt
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:22 PM
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4. Very interesting...

whatever forces at work editing the news, I hope there other forces working equally as hard in getting at the truth. We need it desperately, otherwise we may be dealing with 4 more years of mcsame.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:22 PM
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5. Washington Post has a pretty good article
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:50 PM
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19. Good article --- lots of new stuff in the article . . .
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 01:52 PM by defendandprotect
AND THIS --- hadn't heard before . . .

In March, police officers summoned to a quiet Frederick neighborhood found the 62-year-old microbiologist unconscious in his home. Four months later, he was admitted to a psychiatric clinic after making wild threats against co-workers at the Army research institute where he kept his lab. Then, a week ago, his therapist urgently petitioned a judge for protection from Ivins. She described a man spiraling out of control, making "homicidal threats, actions, plans."

What was this . . . . ? An attack on him . . . ? A previous suicide attempt . . . ?

Was he "spiraling out of control" . . . ? Or being controlled by government forces . . . ?

"Tylenol and codeine" is now "drug overdose" . . . by "acetaminophen."

Seems they want "Tylenol" to disappear from the story ---

And, maybe "ANTHRAX" is too familiar to the nation and readers so let's now call
it "Amerithrax" --- !

Meanwhile, here we have a report that "co-workers" knew him as GENTLE, BIGHEARTED FAMILY MAN

with sunny-side look out on biological studies --- not seeking weapons -- but vaccines.

And notice this . . .

His expertise eventually earned him a front-row seat for the FBI's investigation, as he was called upon to help the bureau with its analysis of the wispy powder used in the attacks.

i.e., that would have been why a nearby co-worker had the "letters" on her desk --
but wouldn't still explain why no one knew that they "leaked" . . . ???!!!!
That's hard to believe after they leaked all over postoffices and mail carriers . . . ????

However, Ivans was involved in HELPING the FBI's investigation ....
*****************************************************************

AND, here we get some truth about what people really think of him --- NOT a BIOTERRORIST!

Despite the allegations -- and even after Ivins's apparent plunge into mental illness -- longtime friends and colleagues say it is inconceivable that Ivins could have been a bioterrorist. Many contend that he was driven to depression and suicide because of months of hounding by federal investigators.

"He just looked worried, depressed, anxious, way turned into himself," recalled W. Russell Byrne, an infectious-disease specialist who last saw Ivins on a recent Sunday at St. John the Evangelist, the Roman Catholic church in Frederick to which they both belonged. "It would be overstating it to say he looked like a guy who was being led to his execution, but it's not far off."

Added another co-worker: "Almost everybody . . . believes that he had absolutely nothing to do with Amerithrax."


Notice also this re the brother who gave the less than helpful comments . . .

"He was a bookworm," said Tom Ivins, 72, of Middletown, Ohio, who said he had been estranged from his youngest brother for two decades.

And this, suggesting he was a pretty emotionally health guy, until . . .

The 1964 yearbook from Lebanon High School shows a thin-faced young man with oversize, dark-rimmed glasses and a raft of extracurricular activities under his name: National Honor Society. Science fair. Current events club. The scholarship team all four years. He ran on the track and cross-country teams, worked on the yearbook and school newspaper, and was in the school choir and the junior and senior class plays.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:22 PM
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30. Hard for me to believe that a devout Catholic would not
have gone to the authorities and taken responsibility had he actually mailed the envelopes. He may have sent the envelopes, but there are a lot of inconsistencies, things that are hard to believe in the story now being presented about him. Of course, sometimes reality does not make sense. If our government were more honest in general, we probably would not be so suspicious of this explanation.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:13 PM
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31. Neither Rupert nor his family -- all devout Catholics -- came forward to say
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 11:14 PM by defendandprotect
that he was the one who set the bombs at the women's clinic . . .

I think it would be naive to expect this of Catholics --

and I think the evidence of the Church, itself, and its priests points EXACTLY in
the other direction ---

The church did NOT report sexual abuse of children to police -- and continued
even later to withhold records. Mainly, they used parishioners' money to cover-up
these crimes!

You might also recall the Catholic "pro-lifer murderer" who shot at a doctor thru the
window of his home killing him. Neither did that person turn himself in - however, he
was eventually caught.

The international community has continued to call upon the Vatican since the end of WWII
to sign a Confession of the Guilt and co-responsibility for the Jewish Holocaust in
Germany. So far they continue to refuse to do so!


Personally, I don't think that Ivins had anything to do with the Anthrax mailings ---
he may have had some idea who did -- maybe not. The more details we get on the the
stranger it all sounds.








Hard for me to believe that a devout Catholic would not
have gone to the authorities and taken responsibility had he actually mailed the envelopes. He may have sent the envelopes, but there are a lot of inconsistencies, things that are hard to believe in the story now being presented about him. Of course, sometimes reality does not make sense. If our government were more honest in general, we probably would not be so suspicious of this explanation.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:25 PM
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6. Add another BushCo cover-up to the pile
It's so obvious what's happening here.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:45 PM
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7. It must go up the ladder of blame and it's not too difficult to figure
out - to Rumsfeld then to Cheney. They told George of course - it's one of the reasons he smirks so much. Glee. But, it will be pinned on someone lower down - perhaps one of the female soldiers who died.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:50 PM
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8. It appears the article is still there.
I'm picking up a two page article that includes the things you mentioned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/washington/02anthrax.html?em
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:23 PM
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21. Thanks . . . includes new support for Ivins . . .
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:26 PM by defendandprotect
Here is some new support for Ivins . . .

“It’s out of character,” said Norman M. Covert, a former spokesman and historian for the Army biodefense center who served with Dr. Ivins on an animal care committee. “But if the F.B.I. was really leaning on him, what a tremendous load that was on him.”

Also . . .

"A spokesman for the Frederick police, Lt. Clark Pennington, said he could not say whether Dr. Ivins had left a suicide note because the anthrax investigation remained open."

Maybe it's still being written . . . ???

"That theory of a biodefense insider placed many scientists at the infectious diseases institute and other laboratories under scrutiny, even as they helped the F.B.I. analyze the anthrax powder in the letters."

“The F.B.I. would be remiss not to look at us, especially those of us who worked with anthrax,” said John W. Ezzell, an anthrax researcher who hired Dr. Ivins at the institute and knew him well. “We were all subjected to lie detector tests. We were all interviewed.”
Mr. Ezzell called Dr. Ivins “intense about his work, but a popular guy.”



Scientists familiar with germ warfare said there was no evidence that Dr. Ivins, though a vaccine expert with easy access to the most dangerous forms of anthrax, had the skills to turn the pathogen into an inhalable powder.

“I don’t think a vaccine specialist could do it,” said Dr. Alan P. Zelicoff, a physician who aided the F.B.I. investigation when he worked at the Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque.

“This is aerosol physics, not biology,” Dr. Zelicoff added. “There are very few people who have their feet in both camps.”

Mr. Ezzell said Dr. Ivins had worked on many projects involving anthrax spores and the toxin they produce, including experiments in which animals were exposed to anthrax to test vaccines. But he said the experiments, to his knowledge, involved anthrax spores in liquid and not in the dry powder form used in the letter attacks.

By their own admission, the F.B.I. and the Postal Inspection Service had little expertise in biological weapons in 2001, when they first loosed hundreds of agents on the investigation. Since then, at least 19 government and university laboratories have worked on the investigation, using clues like the genetic fingerprints of the anthrax, and radioactive isotopes in the water used to grow it, to try to trace it to a source.

The source, several officials said, was the infectious diseases institute, where the trail led to just a handful of vials in a single lab.


And . . . for all we know, planted in Ivins' work area/co-worker's desk and work area ---

Interesting comment here . . .

“I would urge the bureau to publish its evidence if it declares the case solved and closed,” said Dr. Claire Fraser-Liggett, the former director of the Institute for Genomic Research, where the anthrax genome was decoded.

On Capitol Hill, where anthrax contamination in 2001 led to the evacuation of many offices, several members of Congress voiced skepticism about reports that the hunt for the anthrax killer might be over.

Representative Rush Holt, a Democrat whose district includes the Princeton, N.J., mailbox where investigators believe the letters were mailed, said the F.B.I. should provide a full briefing.

“What we learn,” Mr. Holt said, “will not change the fact that this has been a poorly handled investigation that has lasted six years and already has resulted in a trail of embarrassment and personal tragedy.”








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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 09:08 PM
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9. I've been preferring the coverage from the Frederick New-Post
It's where the man lived and some of the people on that paper knew him. They've even got Ivins archived letters to the editor:

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/

As well, they have a lot of stories about that exposure/security breach back in 2002 as well as the mail attacks of 2001:

http://mobile.newspost.com/displayNews.htm?storyID=78275

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:54 PM
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23. And some new stuff in this, too ---
Anthrax case turns
Scientist commits suicide as FBI probe tightens
Originally published August 02, 2008

Note this again here . . .

Ivins said he performed the sampling because he was concerned the powder from the anthrax letters and other samples might not be adequately contained.

Ivins’ sampling, undertaken without the knowledge of his superiors, found anthrax in a technician’s desk area, which he decontaminated, without notifying his superiors. At a later date, he found more anthrax in areas including his office and a changing area for lab personnel.


His co-worker was suspicious that there was LEAKING ---

In other words, they were helping the government with the investigations ---

Ivins only hired a lawyer one year ago ---

And we may be looking at a total frame up of Ivins . . .
The document goes on to state that Ivins had made "homicidal threats, actions, plans, threats and actions towards therapist" and has a history of threats dating back to his graduate days.

A spokeswoman for the University of Cincinnati, where Ivins received three degrees, had no information to that effect.



Vander Linden said people have to go through a rigorous process that includes background checks and medical examinations before they are given access to USAMRIID's biocontainment suites, but she said she was not sure if that process includes psychological examinations.

Also note this ---

About 1:15 a.m. Sunday, Frederick County Emergency Communications received a medical emergency call from Ivins' 622 Military Road home, said Lt. Shawn Martyak of the Frederick Police Department. Officials found Ivins unresponsive on the floor in a room in his home.

At the time when officers were called, nothing indicated the medical emergency was a suicide, he said.

All we know is that he was "unresponsive" . . .

and who called . . . ???

And, is this a prior attempt at suicide . . . or a prior attack on him . . . ?
Besides being called on July 10 and July 27, the department was called to Ivins' home one other time this year, Pennington said. Officers were assisting fire and rescue officials on a call for an unconscious person, but he did not know if that individual was Ivins.

Acquaintances seem to be suggesting he was normal, health, personable ---

"Neighbors Natalie Duggan and her mother, Bonnie Duggan, described Ivins as "the kind of person who would go out of his way to lend a hand."

They said they had no idea he was under FBI surveillance.

"I'd frequently see cars ... they had blacked-out windows. It was kind of freaky," Natalie Duggan said. "We were kind of wondering what the deal is. We would see Bruce, but we never thought it was him."

The news of his suicide saddened them both. "It is just a very sad day," Bonnie Duggan said. "I never suspected him of any wrongdoing whatsoever, he always was a straight arrow."

A former employee at Fort Detrick whose son lives in Ivins' neighborhood, Bob Newton, came over to look at Ivins' house Friday afternoon.

Newton said he remembered how lax security had been when he was stationed at the Army post in the 1970s.

"I was located in building right next to the 8-ball where they did a lot of experiments on monkeys, chemicals, all that stuff," he said. "I hate to say it, but back then, stuff came in and out of this gate."

Even though security has gotten tighter, "it did not surprise me one bit to learn the source of the anthrax was Fort Detrick," he said.


Newton said that when he worked in the labs, procedures were in place to ensure some degree of safety through record-keeping. Given that, he believes if something was amiss, someone had to have noticed.

"The anthrax had to be locked up, it had to be," Newton said.

The most logical explanation Newton can think of for why someone might have done this illegal act was emotional.

"Something got to him," Newton said. "I don't think it was a conspiracy."

Russell Byrne worked with Ivins in USAMRIID's bacteriology division. Byrne, who retired from Fort Detrick about four years ago, said he believes Ivins was living under pressure, being plagued by the FBI.

Federal agents had raided Ivins' home twice and threatened his job, Byrne said. The cost of lawyers was also likely putting Ivins under financial strain.


"Everybody just loved Bruce," Byrne said.

Byrne said he doesn't believe Ivins was involved in the anthrax attacks. He said he wonders how it is that the culprits haven't been identified after seven years of investigation.

"I can't imagine what it would take to convince me (that Ivins was involved)," Byrne said. "It's unimaginable to me that he had anything to do with the attacks."

Byrne's wife, Ellen Byrne, remembered Ivins from company get-togethers. She recalled his sense of humor.

"He would sing songs, make up songs," she said. "He was a nice guy, just always very upbeat and funny."

UPBEAT AND FUNNY . . .




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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 09:28 PM
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10. the Media coverage of the Anthrax investigation has been...interesting...no?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 09:46 PM
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11. Most of that was on CBS Evening News...
it doesn't look like anything's being washed. I got the Times here, but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. I shall see what story is in print.

(And, ummm, maybe read the story yourself before raising alarms rather than believe opednews' version.)

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:07 AM
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12. How Conveeeeeeeeeeeeenient.
:banghead:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:09 AM
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13. Nevermind. I can't pull up the cache
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 12:16 AM by BushDespiser12
"We're sorry, access to http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Anthrax-Scientist.html has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt."
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:12 AM
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14. If George Orwell had only known about the internet...
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:44 PM
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15. OMG - Check out this Link
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:23 PM
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16. Sounds like he did what a scientist would do.
He tested for it, found some, cleaned it up and kept moving (contamination isn't that outside of the realm of possibility). When he found it the second time, he reported it. What else did his know that they didn't want him to know?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 PM
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29. the fredericknewspost has this--but the National Media doesn't: Got Journalism?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:24 PM
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17. Obviously, we all have to read FASTER . .. but just wanted to comment . . .
that I think it was a co-worker and that she had the "letters" for testing . . .

at least that's what I think I read previously!!! In fact, I commented on that

in another thread . . . . saying, "Not sure I understand?" Did they give the

"letters" to her to test? Stuff traced back to this facility was given to them

to test?


Anyway . . . how dumb can all of this be that people at the facility didn't realize

this stuff LEAKS out of the envelopes AFTER we know that it leaked all over mail and

contaminated wide areas?


HELP --- !!!!


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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:05 PM
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20. The sad thing is that the most important part of this
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:06 PM by truedelphi
Story on anthrax is totally ignored

We now live in a nation where a huge part of our budget goes towards Homeland Security. And the fear of anthrax as a weapon against our population is a real one.

In any other society, every household would receive a yearly supply of doxycycline for use should such an outbreak occur. But in our society, that is not about to happen.

And should anthrax hit the general population, rather than treatment, there will only be vague assurances that over the next few weeks, the pharmaceutical companies may be able to gear up to produce as much as everyone needs. And too bad if many people die in the meantime!!
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:27 PM
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22. The notion that Ivins didn't tell anyone
Why wouldn't he tell anyone if his tests were postitive outside a restricted area? That doesn't make sense. Even if he were involved it makes no sense. Is this allegation even true? Who is making the claim that he didn't tell anyone? One supervisor? Ten?

In December 2001, a USAMRIID technician told Dr. Bruce Ivins, a microbiologist in USAMRIID’s Division of Bacteriology, that she was concerned she was exposed to anthrax spores when handling an anthrax-contaminated letter.

USAMRIID was in the midst of processing tens of thousands of items and environmental samples to rule out anthrax contamination, including the letters mailed to Sens. Daschle and Leahy.

Dr. Ivins, who still works in the bacteriology division but declined to comment for this story, tested the technician’s desk area that December and found growth that had the earmarks of anthrax.

He decontaminated her desk, computer, keypad and monitor, but didn’t notify his superiors.

Link
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:09 PM
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24. Oops, TMI. Mustn't have that. It impairs the propaganda. nt
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:05 PM
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25. They have been stalking him. Who wouldn't go nuts? On edit: I
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 06:06 PM by MasonJar
seriously doubt that this is the answer, but even if it is, let's go on to those like cheney/mccain who used the anthrax to promote attack on Iraq.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:28 PM
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26. NY Times is all about jumping on the patsy bandwagon. Remember Hatfill sued them?
It's much more convenient to flog a dead patsy's corpse.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:32 PM
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27. K&R
This whole situation stinks like B.S.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:51 PM
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28. kr
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