Can America EVER redeem itself ?

[Mind_your_head]

with a new president?

I have my own opinion, which is not a "happy" one.

What say you?

[asteroid2003QQ47]

1. No! America would had to have been "deemed" first. n/t

[Solly Mack]

2. I can't speak for others (in America or elsewhere)

but for me, if there is no accountability, America will be nothing more than a country in willful denial that allows war criminals to go free.

But, as it can take so little to placate so many, a few surface changes - the appearance of change, that is - will be enough to redeem America's image for a lot of people.

[comtec]

3. Yes it can, yes it can...

Living out here in the wild I can tell you yes, yes we can!
The problem with th US media I have found, is that it ignores the rest of the world mostly.
Only the conservatives (like my cousin. I love him to death, but it's a major character flaw common to dutch now a days)

The us media likes to make us feel like pariahs... but the reality is once you eave the bubble of the us corporate media, y uosee that the gov-owned and reasonably neutral media out here shows things in a different light.
At least here in Europe, they understand... he's an idiot, adn he's a liar, and they don't blame "America"(tm) but shrub!
They understand (kinda, much less than id like) that he got in under shady practices, and that the American people themselves are decent enough folk.
Since pretty much all countries here are, or have been monarchies, they understand stupid heads o state.
The king george analogy we use for bushitler, is an apt one, and one that is well understood here.

So yes, yes we can. But for the poorer nation, it's going to take a GREAT DEAL OF WORK!

They are poor, and hurt, and king george has made things worse for them.

they we are going to have to work harder to restore faith in us.

[Mind_your_head]

5. i hope that Obama is "up" for the job......it's a Herculean task.

Dennis Kucinich would be my first choice though.

[TheWatcher]

4. It's pretty simple.

Unless there is accountability for the Criminals and their crimes, then the answer is NO.

PERIOD.

We The People are going to have to decide what is more important.

Comfort and Denial or Liberty and Freedom.

We cannot have it both ways.

I agree with Solly Mack above with the notion that if enough Surface Changes are brought about to give everyone illusory comfort then I am afraid most in this country will be content with the comfort and Denial of The Matrix.

But the country will never know it's true potential or true redemption

So again, We The People must make a choice.

Live A Lie, or Live Free.

People can say what they want, but no matter how deep in denial you are, you know which the Forefathers would choose.

Hint: It wouldn't be the easy way out or the Path Of Least Resistance.

[Mind_your_head]

6. I'm ALL for Accountability.

Let's 'do it'

Hold them accountable.

[TheWatcher]

7. I'm with you. :)

Our country is at the biggest Crossroads it has ever seen.

Will We The People, in the end, have the courage to do as The Declaration instructs, if it comes to that?

We shall see.

[Selatius]

8. I believe America crossed a fundamental threshold from which it can never return.

The day came when essentially the Office of President was a position rendered above the law. The Constitution did not expressly compel Congress to impeach a president if the president broke the law, but it was likely the thought of the Founders that if such an event occurred, that the people who were elected to represent the States would stand up for the rule of law.

They have not done so. This is a grave milestone to cross. Now, there is precedent to be above the law.

They will never be able to distinguish the exact point the Early Republic became the Late Republic, but historians will say the Late Republic was an era characterized by increased political corruption, erosion of freedoms, the erosion of living standards, and a growing detachment between the government and the people it reigns over.

[tama]

9. No n/t

[mwb970]

10. We're pretty far gone, I'm afraid.

The Criminal has moved us toward corporate fascism much faster than even I expected. The nation is saddled with social conservatives (representing hate), national security conservatives (representing fear), and corporate conservatives (representing greed).

Hate, fear, and greed. That's what the conservatives have used to kill America. Nice job, boys.

[stillcool]

11. Nothing will change..

until 'we the people' get it together and force the changes needed to restore our government to act in our interests. Not likely. Perhaps out of the ashes.

[tom_paine]

12. I am hoping, but I have severe doubts. n/t

[lame54]

13. ask me a year from now...

this is going to get interesting

[Juche]

14. Not until accountability happens

Until we have a full, open and honest investigation into everything that has happened (Cheney's energy task force, 9/11, vote fraud, torture, attempts to start war with Iran, the war in Iraq, political prosecutions via the DOJ, manipulating the media, funding extremists in Lebanon, FISA abuses, downing street memo, etc); no America can't. This president is so criminal that events that would bring down a normal president like Nixon or Clinton are just another day's news.

As it stands the media and congress are complicit and wimpy and most of the public aren't paying attention. So no, I doubt it.

Even though both the 2000 and 2004 elections were fraudulent, they were close enough to be stolen. And I think that says alot about us as a people.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

15. "We the [Sea Pirate] People"

1492. As children we were taught to memorize this year with pride and joy as the year people began living full and imaginative lives on the continent of North America. Actually, people had been living full and imaginative lives on the continent of North America for hundreds of years before that. 1492 was simply the year sea pirates began to rob, cheat, and kill them.
--Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions

The majority of responses thus far emanate from a comfortable tunnel of denial.
How can a rational person think "we" are in a position to "redeem" anything?

[ToeBot]

16. It could, but it wont.

[blues90]

17. In what way? From what it has done to the world or it's own people

Or both? I doubt it. I think we went too far this time. You don't go around murdering people and families and children in the ME and right here in america through lies and ignorance and expect people to forget it.

People say to move on , what does that mean, leave your conscience behind if you are one who was not personally affected?