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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:50 PM
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Are you one of the 8 million Americans listed in Main Core? This is the 21st century Rex 84!
This entire article is worth reading from beginning to end to understand the full context of what I'm posting here:


The Last Roundup

For decades the federal government has been developing a highly classified plan that would override the Constitution in the event of a terrorist attack. Is it also compiling a secret enemies list of citizens who could face detention under martial law?

By Christopher Ketcham

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According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, "There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived 'enemies of the state' almost instantaneously." He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.

Of course, federal law is somewhat vague as to what might constitute a "national emergency." Executive orders issued over the last three decades define it as a "natural disaster, military attack, technological or other emergency," while Department of Defense documents include eventualities like "riots, acts of violence, insurrections, unlawful obstructions or assemblages, disorder prejudicial to public law and order." According to one news report, even "national opposition to U.S. military invasion abroad" could be a trigger.

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Under law, during a national emergency, FEMA and its parent organization, the Department of Homeland Security, would be empowered to seize private and public property, all forms of transport, and all food supplies. The agency could dispatch military commanders to run state and local governments, and it could order the arrest of citizens without a warrant, holding them without trial for as long as the acting government deems necessary. From the comfortable perspective of peaceful times, such behavior by the government may seem farfetched. But it was not so very long ago that FDR ordered 120,000 Japanese-Americanseveryone from infants to the elderlybe held in detention camps for the duration of World War II. This is widely regarded as a shameful moment in U.S. history, a lesson learned. But a long trail of federal documents indicates that the possibility of large-scale detention has never quite been abandoned by federal authorities. Around the time of the 1968 race riots, for instance, a paper drawn up at the U.S. Army War College detailed plans for rounding up millions of "militants" and "American negroes" who were to be held at "assembly centers or relocation camps." In the late 1980s, the Austin American-Statesman and other publications reported the existence of 10 detention camp sites on military facilities nationwide, where hundreds of thousands of people could be held in the event of domestic political upheaval. More such facilities were commissioned in 2006, when Kellogg Brown & Rootthen a subsidiary of Halliburtonwas handed a $385 million contract to establish "temporary detention and processing capabilities" for the Department of Homeland Security. The contract is short on details, stating only that the facilities would be used for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs." Just what those "new programs" might be is not specified.

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The following information seems to be fair game for collection without a warrant: the e-mail addresses you send to and receive from, and the subject lines of those messages; the phone numbers you dial, the numbers that dial in to your line, and the durations of the calls; the Internet sites you visit and the keywords in your Web searches; the destinations of the airline tickets you buy; the amounts and locations of your ATM withdrawals; and the goods and services you purchase on credit cards. All of this information is archived on government supercomputers and, according to sources, also fed into the Main Core database.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19871.h...

This article has not only additional info on Main Core, but a condensed history of the US government spying on its citizens from Hoover to PROMIS. Fascinating, scary read.


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:59 PM
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1. Most likely
Maybe that is why my brother no longer works in intelligence. I never did figure out him working there in the first place. But then military intelligence is an oxymoron
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:00 PM
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12. I imagine some of us, me included are there.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:00 PM
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2. Would any foreign country come to our aid?
bush does have WMDs
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:05 PM
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6. Five years ago, I would have said France.
Now that they've got a Republican in charge, I don't know who.

:hi:

:scared:
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:01 PM
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3. How can this remain such a secret? Maybe because so many of us don't believe it could happen.
It gets to me how many people believed the lies about the Iraq war. How so many people believe wing nut radio is telling them the truth. I guess too many of us believe in out government.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:01 PM
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4. If I am, I'll be in good company.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:01 PM
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5. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No place to hide, it seems. It is hard to conceptualize such a thing happening, but in your heart...you know it could, and may well happen.
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Spooky_D Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:08 PM
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7. Most of the population has already been "fattened up"...
...and "dumbed down" for something like this to take place.

Many thanks for the article, been a while since I had to dust off my tinfoil hat. :tinfoilhat:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:18 PM
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10. Oh yeah, those people. Carlin pointed them out to me.
Olberman: George Carlin - 'This Country's Finished'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:13 PM
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8. "Main Core", hell- I'm probably listed in the secondary backup files for"Tertiary Core" by now.
Something about "Mocking the pResident", or some such nonsense...

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:16 PM
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9. k&r. nt
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:52 PM
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11. FEMA, Rex 84, and Executive Orders
I found this just the other day, again.
Lists the location of camps, and the Executive Orders.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration...

There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list. The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:24 PM
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13. Great link! Have you read this interview with NSA whistleblower Russell Tice?
Here's just a snip brought to my attention by Matt Savinar that might have relevancy to these COG contingency plans. At the very least, it makes you wonder.


REASON: Do you see a shift in signals intelligence toward more intensive computer filtering, so there's more and more information processed, but less seen by human beings?

Tice: I've thought about this for a while, and as I said, I can't tell you how things are done, but I can foresee it, especially with what we've seen now. We're finding out that NSA conducted surveillance on U.S. citizens. And FISA could have been used but wasn't, was sidestepped. No one even made the attempt to see if they had a problem they could have fixed through FISA.

That would lead one to ask the question: "Why did they omit the FISA court?"

I would think one reason that is possible is that perhaps a system already existed that you could do this with, and all you had to do is change the venue.
And if that's the case, and this system was a broad brush system, a vacuum cleaner that just sucks things up, this huge systematic approach to monitoring these calls, processing them, and filtering themthen ultimately a machine does 98.8 percent of your work. What you come out with from a haystack is a shoebox full of straw. Once you have that, you have people that can look at it.

Now here's an interesting question: If this approach was used, and hundreds of thousands if not millions of communications were processed in that manner, and then if and when the truth ever came out, a lawyerand I think lawyers are going to be arguing semantics in this casethe argument could be made, well, if a machine was doing the looking and the sucking in, it doesn't matter because that's not monitoring until a human looks at it.

REASON: What prompted you to step forward now?

Tice: Well, I've known this for a long time and I've kept my mouth shut...

REASON: You're referring to what James Risen calls "The Program," the NSA wiretaps that have been reported on?

Tice: No, I'm referring to what I need to tell Congress that no one knows yet, which is only tertiarily connected to what you know about now.

REASON: What aspect of that, within the parameters of what you're able to talk about, concerned you?

Tice: The lack of oversight, mainlywhen a problem arose and I raised concerns, the total lack of concern that anyone could be held accountable for any illegality involved. And then these things are so deep black, the extremely sensitive programs that I was a specialist in, these things are so deep black that only a minute few people are cleared for these things. So even if you have a concern, it's things in many cases your own supervisor isn't cleared for. So you have literally nowhere to go.

REASON: So there's a problem of inadequate channels of communications to raise concerns?

Tice: Yeah, zero channels of communication because you're talking about information so closely held that even within a large organization like the Agency, only a handful of people may know. The director would know, maybe the deputy director, the chief of security, maybe one level-supervisor, maybe my own supervisorand these are all management people. And then you have one person, me, the worker bee who does the work, writes the reports, goes into the field, does the liaison work, makes the phone calls. I was the nitty-gritty detail guy.

REASON: What about the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act?

Tice: The interesting thing about the ICWPA that came up in my case, the NSA put it right in bold print: They said even if Mr. Tice made a protected disclosure under the ICWPA, there is no provision in the ICWPA to punish or hold responsible the agency doing the retaliation, in this case the NSA. So even though the law says it's protected, there's no teeth in the law to do anything to the NSA. So they can screw you over with impunity, and even if someone did determine you had a claim, there's nothing there to punish them. In the writeup I had, they showed their contempt for that in the way they wrote up the piece of nonsense in their defense. The ICWPA as far as I know has only had something like two disclosures in the years it's been in existence. You know why? Because any intelligence officer knows if you do this, your career is done. They will find something to use to revoke your security clearance, which is what they did with me, which destroys your career in the intel field, makes you unemployable forever. I will never be an intelligence officer ever again; I will never be able to work as a contractor for a firm that does intelligence community contracts.

REASON: What would you like to see Congress do?

Tice: Pass some laws with some teeth. Congress is real quick to say "oh, this is intelligence and we don't want to compromise their methods." Well, fine. But they have the mechanism in to discuss things. My case could very easily be, and was easily, discussed in an unclassified manner, as to their reasons for firing me. It's disingenuous on their part to throw out that national security nonsense because they don't want to give up their power to screw people over; it's a means of intimidation.

REASON: What action would you have them take about the programs that concern you?

Tice: I'd like for there to be some internal... First of all, I don't want this stuff to leak out. I'm not going to tell you or anyone in the press anything that's classified, especially about these programs. Because for the most part they're extremely beneficial to the security of our citizens, programs that are worth their salt. The problem is that you can have abuses within that system, and there's no oversight. So ultimately what we need is some adult supervision of these programs, maybe some bipartisan group of senior intelligence elders who've retired from their normal intelligence jobs. These senior officials could be on a senior advisory review board to deal with these sort of things in an unbiased, non-partisan manner in a very tightly-held way, but nonetheless look at these cases and act as some sort of judge as to how things need to be addressed.

REASON: Are you at all sympathetic to claims that the New York Times' reporting on NSA surveillance may have harmed national security?

Tice: In my case, there's no way the programs I want to talk to Congress about should be public ever, unless maybe in 200 years they want to declassify them. You should never learn about it; no one at the Times should ever learn about these things. But that same mechanism that allows you to have a program like this at an extremely high, sensitive classification level could also be used to mask illegality, like spying on Americans. And spying on Americans is illegal unless you go to a FISA court. It's the job of the FBI to conduct operations against Americans with the proper court warrantsnot that I have a very high opinion of the FBI.

With book, someone has come across, and basically reported, a crime. It just so happens that somebody put some super-duper clearances on it to mask the fact that a crime was being committed. Now we're claiming after the fact, to do some damage control, that "oh no, now the terrorists know." Come on, let's be rational about this. Do we think that the terrorists are just plain stupid? Do we think that, especially after 9/11, the terrorists aren't smart enough to think that maybe the United Statesmight be interested in the communications they conduct and how they conduct them? Even if you believe there's some negativity in that information coming out, which I think is a totally disingenuous claim, but even if you think there's some merit to that, when you weight it against the fact that you're breaking the constitutional rights of American citizens, the scale on the right side incredibly outweighs any claim on the other side.


http://www.reason.com/news/show/33016.html


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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:55 PM
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14. Thanks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I don't think I've seen that before although it does sound very familiar, so maybe I have.

I am on the "list" unfortunately, though I don't know why. My liberties and rights are already gone, so all that's left is for them to physically hall me away to camp. You will find more details at the link I've provided about halfway down.

...and by the way, many of our representatives, from both parties are aware of my situation and will do nothing. I was foolish enough to think this was a country where at least the democrats cared about the Constitution. Don't kid yourselves, don't be naive, the things that have been done to me would sicken you. The details only make me sound like I'm insane, that's what I mean when I say in the link: Because OF the perfect execution and horrific effects of the peeling away of one freedom, one liberty at a time. You cannot explain, the cumulative effect becomes overwhelming.


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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:50 PM
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30. Wow, what a list! Like Deep Throat said, follow the money.
Not that I put Mark Felt on a pedestal. He was justly convicted for doing what most Bush misadministration officials have been guilty of: violating the 4th amendment spying on American citizens. I find it richly ironic that Nixon testified at his trial on his behalf and was probably instrumental in getting Reagan to pardon him.

I can only wonder whether I am on this list. You don't sound insane to me, you sound like a true freedom fighter. Keep it up!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:18 PM
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15. When Rep. Jack Brooks (D-Texas) asked about it, he was told to save it for a closed hearing.
Thank you, Robert Paulsen! To help avoid this American round-up, a bit not found in most of America's history books:



Ollie North consults with his attorney, Brendan Sullivan,
around the time of the following exchange during
the House-Senate Iran Contra hearings:



Killing the Constitution: How I Became a Radical Twenty Years Ago Today

by Sam Husseini
Published on Friday, July 13, 2007 by CommonDreams.org

EXCERPT...

During the 1987 Iran-Contra hearings, the following exchange took place between Representative Jack Brooks of Texas, Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, and Brendan Sullivan, attorney for Colonel Oliver North, during North's testimony before Congress:

REP. BROOKS: Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

BRENDAN SULLIVAN (Norths lawyer): Mr. Chairman?

SEN. INOUYE: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch on that, sir?

REP. BROOKS: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.

SEN. INOUYE; May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, Im certain arrangements can be made for an executive session. .

SOURCE: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/13/2510 /



Third World Traveler does a bang-up job on this important, uh, issue, as well:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Moyers/Democracy_TSG....


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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:02 PM
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28. That picture speaks a thousand (censored) words.
His treachery should never be forgotten. I'm glad Keith Olbermann named him the Worst Person in the World yesterday for his hypocrisy in criticizing Obama for wanting to negotiate with Iran. As long as North is a breathing free man his words and actions should be under constant scrutiny. It would not surprise me in the least if it was discovered that he is still an active participant in COG planning. After all, there are so many other Iran/Contra alumni who have actively supported the current Bush regime. Ledeen and Abrams come to mind first.

http://www.newsfollowup.com/ledeen_facism.htm

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/969.html

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:36 AM
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16. when they start rounding us all up for the detention camps . . .
do you think we could request that all of us DUers be assigned to the same camp? . . . maybe something in a mild climate (if such a thing even exists by then), and with a little space for a veggie garden? . . .

I think it would be neat if we were all together, don't you? . . . :patriot:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:52 AM
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17. So we can keeping working on Project X.
:)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:54 AM
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18. SHHHHHHHHH
damn it, you keep mentioning it on open channels!

:evilgrin:

Is there a wag finger smiley?

:hi:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:49 AM
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20. Well, at least Pitt won't always be trying to quit & go home.
Or maybe he will.

And the Magistrate will set up a kangaroo court where he can preside as we sue each other for defamation and whatnot (like in that Grisham novel The Brethren)

And there will be a REAL dungeon for the conspiracy theorists

And Kpete will always be somehow getting hold of new bits of information from outside

And Nance Greggs will have us all in stitches--except for the ones who already ARE in stitches as a result of their resistance efforts

And DemoTex will spend his nights working on his tunnel

And Omaha Steve will keep trying to unionize the guards

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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:48 AM
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19. thanks for all the links.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:51 AM
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21. Blows yer bloody mind, don't it?
Try Googling "main core list" and start reading.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:57 AM
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25. edit double post
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:58 AM by bbgrunt
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:58 AM
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26. good grief--just googling that will get you on the list. I've
been seriously depressed about our country for at least 7 years and yet I am still fascinated at how so many can just ignore the realities and how complicit both parties are.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:52 AM
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22. Oliver North Questioned - Rex 84 Exposed During Iran Contra

(Celerino Castillo III, one of the Drug Enforcement Agency's most prolific agents, who netted record busts in New York, Peru, Guatemala, El Salvador and San Francisco, was ordered not to investigate US-sponsored drug trafficking operations supervised by Oliver North. After twelve years of service, Castillo has retired from the agency, "amazed that the US government could get away with drug trafficking for so long." In his book Powderburns: Cocaine, Contras, and the Drug War , Castillo details the US role in drug and weapons smuggling, money laundering, torture, and murder, and includes Oliver North's drug use and dealing, and the training of death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala by the DEA.)

PSYCHOTIC OLLIE NORTH: COKE DEALER
Jack Blum, Special Prosecutor for Senator John Kerry's (D-Mass) Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations told the SHADOW: "There is no doubt in my mind that Oliver North knew about narcotics trafficking at Ilopango." The Committee interviewed dozens of pilots who openly detailed the "guns down, drugs up" operation. One such pilot, Michael Palmer, indicted for bringing 300,000 lbs. of marijuana into the US in the mid 1908's, frequently boasted to prosecutors that his activities were supported by the US government.

During Kerry's investigation, Castillo was ordered by the DEA's Freedom of Information Office to keep his reports on the Contras active, thereby rendering them inaccessible to the Committee and the press. Lacking Castillo's reports, the Committee still concluded in 1989 that: "There was substantial evidence of drug smuggling through the war zones on the part of individual Contras, contra pilots, mercenaries who worked with the Contras and the Contra supporters in the region."

Tim Ross, a twenty-one year veteran broadcaster for the BBC in Colombia, connected what he called "Ollie North's mob" to drug dealing in that country as well. Ross told the SHADOW that "In late '84, early '85, North brought five Afghani military advisers to Colombia on a speaking tour, three left, two stayed. The two that stayed were chemists who introduced heroin manufacturing to Colombia. He also brought in an Israeli agronomist who helped to cultivate opium poppies."...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Radar Online: The Last Roundup >> Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?

YouTube - Oliver North Questioned - Rex 84 Exposed During Iran Contra
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:00 AM
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23. DeFazio: Congress is kept away from Rex 84 FEMA camp Martial Law plan
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:28 AM
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24. This is why the Founding Fathers put in the Second Amendment.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:28 AM by backscatter712
Not to protect hunters, not just to enable law-abiders to shoot burglars. Hell, not even so states could form a militia and go to war.

The fundamental reason for the Second Amendment is so the people can have the tools they need to protect themselves against government gone bad.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:09 PM
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29. Right. Deer rifles vs. cruise missles and tanks
Nice idea, but it was probably a little more plausible in 1789.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:56 PM
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31. A moldable form of thermite and few strong magnets, however....
:D
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:01 PM
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35. LOL - Brilliant!
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:08 AM
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27. Hate to Sound Tin-Foil Ready
but

1) Improve your physical fitness. Encourage your children/SO to do the same.

2) Have an escape route planned...you can tell people it's in case of fire or other emergency, not because of Black Ops coming through the door.

3) Have a cache of easily obtainable supplies but leave without them if necessary. "He who cannot throw away a treasure in necessity is in fetters."

4) Don't wait until the last minute. Thanks to the internet, we will have warnings. Pay attention.

Removing 8 million people will take time, effort and considerable coordination. It won't happen overnight or without media complicity. 'They' will have to remove leadership people first. Keep tabs on your friends/relations who you think may be 'on the list'. If they aren't communicating, find out why. If Kos or Skinner suddenly vanish, it will be time to leave. Sorry, guys...you may be the canaries in the coal mine.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:39 PM
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32. I think it's more likely that key people will be visibly arrested rather than disappeared.
Arresting the leaders of the left would tend to pacify rather than panic people. Those remaining would more likely just try to keep their heads down and not be noticed by the authorities.

As to the given reasons for the arrests, they can be varied and easily manufactured.
Almost all domestic communications go straight through the NSA, so it would be no problem for them to intercept an email from someone and attach child pornography, classified documents, or the outline of a terror plot to it.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:49 PM
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33. Wouldn't doubt if I am.........
Since being old enough to vote (in 1972) and having voted exclusively Democratic since then....

Since being vocally anti-war (beginning with Viet Nam)despite serving in the USAF.............

Since being a damn librul, no-count anti-establishment hippie since forever........

Since having both parents who have the political guts to stay true to their beliefs (liberal Democrats)- one of whom is now 92 and is looking forward to November where she's not just a voter but a poll-watcher in Florida for our reviving Democratic Party..........

AND

Since taking my first airline flight in over 20 years - over the 2007 Thanksgiving Holidays - and being pulled out of EVERY security line for the "special check" - except here in Fairbanks - despite being an aircraft company employee - WITH A FEDERAL RUNWAY PASS.....

I'd say, yeah, I'm on the fucking list.

But I bet I can out-country, out-shoot and out-survive any of the assholes they might send after me! Loves me some Alaska raising..............

:hi: everyone and :hug:!!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:18 PM
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34. Looks like great minds think alike.
BUSHCO's 'Secret List Of 8 million UNFRIENDLY American Citizens' To Be Detained Under Martial Law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Great thread, kpete!
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