McCain says "League of Nations" needs to deal with Iran

[deminks]

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/mccain-says-league-of-nations-needs-to.html

Too bad the League of Nations was disbanded in 1946 when John McCain was ten years old. Oh, and one of our commenters added this:

Reminds me of Mr. Burns at the Post Office:

"Yes, I'd like to send this letter to the Prussian consulate in Siam by aeromail. Am I too late for the 4:30 autogyro?"

(video at the link)


League of Nations????? WTF???? Is he talking about another coalition of the unwilling, or the old League of Nations??? He spoke to the leader of France? Big deal. Is France going to send troops? Lawyers guns and money? Don't look now, McSame, but the current French pretzlenut isn't exactly popular anymore.

[file83]

1. McCain's next sentence:

"Oh, wait, there is no League of Nations. I guess that means that the United States of America will have to take care of Iran. Draft!"

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. He meant the Continental Congress

not the USA

[mitchum]

31. LMAO!!!

nicely done :)

[Mist]

33. And he meant Persia, not Iran. nt

[jasmine621]

43. Now you know why the GOP won't have him as their candidate.

I don't know how they are going to do it. But for sure they will be surrendering the Presidency if they allow him to be their nominee.

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. Damn the video will kill him

What a dinosaur

nominated

[Duke Newcombe]

3. Either that, or he's getting in a dig against the UN...

The gridlock, incompetence, and corruption of that place puts its effectiveness on par with the League of Nations!

Duke

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Thanks Mr. Bolton

We appreciate your input.

[Duke Newcombe]

47. Sorry, not Mr. Bolton...

no cheezy two-tone mustache.

Duke

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. Duke Newcombe you are out yourself

BTW. that video game is old .

[Duke Newcombe]

49. I are out myself?

Only if I use mind altering substances, Iching...

And yes--and oldie, but a goodie.

Duke

[Richard Steele]

58. Nah, that's really not true- you were never in. nm

[Duke Newcombe]

73. Lol...you're such a card! "dicksteele"!

Nuff said.

Duke

[wtmusic]

46. Wrong, Duke

If we had listened to the "incompetent" UN we wouldn't be mired in an unwinnable war with upwards of 1M dead.

Nice try.

[Duke Newcombe]

48. It shouldn't have made it that far... n/t

Duke

[wtmusic]

51. You're right

But it did, then the countries of the world took a vote and we ignored it.

As the most powerful nation on earth we have a responsibility to set an example and we blew it. If the UN doesn't work, it's our own fault.

[Duke Newcombe]

53. Sorry...the US shouldn't own that alone

After all, we see how well Oil for Food worked, and how many of the upper echelon (sp?) of the UN had their hands in the till. Countries known for torture and abuse having seats on commissions working against such things.

I know it's nuanced, but the US isn't the only black hat here, not by a damned sight.

The UN is, charitably put, dysfunctional regarding anything outside of children's issues and feeding people.

Duke

[wtmusic]

55. I was hoping you would bring up Oil-for-Food.

"Sixty percent of Iraq's twenty-six million people were solely dependent on rations from the oil-for-food plan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_for_Food

Math: 15M people were kept alive by OFF. Was there bribery, graft and corruption? You bet, and likely we were complicit:

"US Senator Carl Levin (D-Michigan) is quoted in an interview for the New York Times as saying, "There is no question that the bulk of the illicit oil revenues came from the open sale of Iraqi oil to Jordan and to Turkey, and that that was a way of going around the Oil-for-Food Programme we were fully aware of the bypass and looked the other way."

Likely $10B disappeared under the auspices of OFF. How many $B are unaccounted for under the auspices of Halliburton and KBR?

A little perspective is appropriate.

[Duke Newcombe]

56. So, the US should have used some of that "cowboy diplomacy"...

...to what, clean up the UN? We're responsible by omission? As if corruption and dysfunction has not existed in that body for decades before OFF?

Perspective, indeed.

Duke

[wtmusic]

62. More perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_nations

The UN is home to:

International Court of Justice
International Atomic Energy Agency
International Civil Aviation Organization
International Fund for Agricultural Development
International Labour Organization
International Maritime Organization
International Telecommunication Union
Food and Agriculture Organization
UNESCO
United Nations Industrial Development Organization
Universal Postal Union
World Bank
World Health Organization
World Intellectual Property Organization
World Meteorological Organization

not to mention:

The Human Security Report 2005,<21> produced by the Human Security Centre at the University of British Columbia with support from several governments and foundations, documented a dramatic, but largely unrecognized, decline in the number of wars, genocides and human rights abuses since the end of the Cold War. Statistics include:

* a 40% drop in violent conflict;
* an 80% drop in the most deadly conflicts; and
* an 80% drop in genocide and policide.

The report argued that international activism — mostly spearheaded by the UN — has been the main cause of the post–Cold War decline in armed conflict, though the report indicated the evidence for this contention is mostly circumstantial.

In the area of Peacekeeping, successes include:

* A 2005 RAND Corp study found the UN to be successful in two out of three peacekeeping efforts. It also compared UN nation-building efforts to those of the U.S., and found that of eight UN cases, seven are at peace, whereas of eight U.S. cases, four are at peace.<22>

Bottom line: what's wrong with the UN is a drop in the bucket compared to what's right.

[MercutioATC]

5. To be fair, he said "a league of nations", not "the League of Nations".

There are enough real issues to attack him on...we don't need to fabricate any.

[Lex]

16. Exactly. He said, 'We need "a league of nations to deal with this."

Not THE League of Nations.

Not that I don't think he's crazy as hell.

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. To be fair.... He's an idiot and you defend him

go drive your porsche somewhere else.

[MercutioATC]

22. If you want to be the stereotypical "liberal moonbat" feel free...I'm more discerning.

In any debate, weak assertions weaken the whole argument.

The weak assertion that he thought that the League of Nations still existed based on this statement which clearly shows nothing of the sort weakens the whole argument.

If you can't deal with that, go drive your scooter somewhere else.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. "liberal moonbat"

nuff said .... Mr. DLC

[MercutioATC]

30. The term is overused by the right wing, but there ARE some loonies in every group.

...and those loonies weaken the group.

I'm assuming that you watched the clip. McCain clearly said "a league of nations" and not "the League of Nations", correct?

Assuming we agree on that (and if we don't, you need a hearing test) do you feel that it strengthens our fight to misrepresent what he said? Is it "defending" him to state an obvious truth?

People who advocate this sort of thinking, on both sides, harm us all. If that position makes me a Porsche-driving (astute assumption, by the way) elitist card-carrying DLC member (you couldn't be more wrong) in your view, so be it.

It's my position that your trivialities and cheap shots harm our effort.

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. The "I hate the UN" is a Republican dog Whistle

Everyone knows that


You tend to stalk me on my OPs with trivial crap
and I'm tired of it and I'm not feeling well.

[MercutioATC]

39. I don't even recognize your name.

...and you started this one...


I have no idea what "The "I hate the UN" is a Republican dog Whistle" has to do with our discussion...I simply stated the obvious fact that the OP misrepresented what McCain actually said...and you chose to turn it into a discussion about the car I drive.

It's not a breach of "loyalty" to state facts and to adhere to a single standard when judging statements, regardless of who makes them.

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. OK... I apologize you didn't do the dog whistle

I will leave it at that.

[MercutioATC]

40. Apology accepted...and I'm comfortable to agree to disagree on this thread.

I do hope you feel better soon.

[Zynx]

25. "Go drive your porsche somewhere else"? You might as well have said

"Go feed your cuttlefish somewhere else." It made no sense.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. He drives a porsche and audi 8

Bragged about it.

[Zynx]

29. Oh. I was not aware.

My apologies.

[MercutioATC]

32. "Bragged"? It was a post on car ownership and mileage.

Yes. I do own a 911 and an S8. I like cars.

How is that pertinent in any way?

[BattyDem]

7. It could have been worse

He could have said the "Justice League" :P

[Snarkoleptic]

10. Batty....nice simul-snark!

[BattyDem]

15. LOL ... great minds think alike!

:toast:

[JBoy]

17. Or maybe Sean Connery

[Faygo Kid]

20. No, no, no. That's too contemporary for McCain. Here's a better Justice League.

I had this original comic, till Mom threw them all out when I went to college.

Too bad. Many $$$$ down the drain.

[BattyDem]

27. LOL!

You're right - that does look more "McCain-ish" :hi:

Sorry about your lost revenue. :-(

[Snarkoleptic]

8. He's not thinking coalition of the willing.

He's daydreaming about the comic books he reads on Cindy's jet.

[Indenturedebtor]

52. Or these guys!

[Blue_Tires]

71. lol...you forgot Poland! ...or in this case, Aquaman...

[annabanana]

9. Oh shit that's funny. He's pathetic. . . .n/t

[smokey nj]

11. He's so gonna kick Woodrow Wilson's ass in November.

[Kitty Herder]

57. LOL

:rofl:

[Hippo_Tron]

63. I was thinking more along the lines of kicking James K Polk's ass

54-40 or Fight doesn't stand a chance against "Nuke Canada".

[The Gunslinger]

12. And he is hoping to arrange a free trade agreement with Constantanople.

[hyphenate]

13. League of Nations.....

He is older than we thought! The United Nations has been around for a VERY long time, and if the idiot can't relate to that, it shows he's never going to be able to relate to the real world. Yikes.

I'm seeing an awful lot of outrageous things lately, and I'm beginning to think I somehow left Earth some time ago, and I'm in Bizarro land.

[mcctatas]

14. He had them confused with the "Justice League"...

must have been having one of his "Whip me with your lasso of truth you Wonder Woman" fantasies again;)

[tridim]

19. The GE debates are going to be great fun for us.

SNL will have plenty of material to work with.

[muntrv]

21. Is he then going to deal with the Ottoman Empire?

:evilgrin:

[Hippo_Tron]

64. He's gotta deal with the Roman Empire first

[MiniMe]

68. Naw, he keeps that with his easy chair.

:evilgrin:

[malaise]

23. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Getting up off the floor. McSame is really really old :rofl:

[Juche]

24. He was probably referring to a league of democracies

He has an idea to replace the UN so that only democratic governments (roughly 120 of the 190 governments on earth) are allowed in. Autocratic governments are not.



However he also wants to kick russia out of the G8, even though Russia is a democracy. Its not a liberal democracy, but it is still technically a democracy. And you can't exclude China from global discussions on anything anymore, even if they aren't a democracy.

[CatholicEdHead]

77. That is still a assinine proposal

[Monk06]

34. And the only three members will be the US, Colombia and the Philippines.

[Stuart G]

37. I have a strange feeling about this, They will find a way to dump gandpa..

and get someone else at the convention. He/she will be fresh face that could take the nation by storm. I don't know who it will be, but Mc Same will be conveniently dumped. This will happen due to his health, like a mild heart attack.

[Kitty Herder]

59. I hope you're wrong.

Gramps McCrazy will be easy to beat. (Knock on wood.)

[AlCzervik]

38. that's where he parks his horseless carriage.

[MilesColtrane]

42. He's displaying signs of confusion related to age.

At least Reagan didn't until he had been in office for awhile.

[nashville_brook]

44. i wonder if he's trying to avoid saying "united nations," since that terrifies wingnuts?

[Kitty Herder]

60. That was my impression. But it could be that he's

getting a little senile. Wouldn't be the fist sign.

[Mojambo]

45. Obama and Clinton could literally kill each other and the corpse we nominate would still beat McCain

[JI7]

50. all that matters is he said "League of Nations"

and we can use it against him anyway we want. just as they do with Dems all the time.

[treestar]

72. Bingo! We know it would be all over the media if a Dem did it.

[shawmut]

54. Next he'll remind us to remember the Maine n/t

[Lasher]

61. He's been repeating a 'league of democracies' slogan to exploit rightwing resentment of the UN

And he hosed it up with this League of Nations gaffe. I couldn't believe he actually said it until I watched the video clip. Nothing in the corporate media so far but this will cost him.

[LeftishBrit]

65. We'd need a time machine for that.

Please don't elect this idiot!

[JerseygirlCT]

66. That's too funny. And sad, too. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

67. Recommended!

[nichomachus]

69. McCain to generals: "First you fly over Gaul and

drop your bombs directly south of the Holy Roman Empire."

[Blue_Tires]

70. first we got to go to Prussia and straighten out the Kaiser

Then deal with the pesky Ottomans

[mikeytherat]

76. I say we head to Mesopotamia and free Baghdad from the clutches of

the evil Ottoman empire! What could go wrong?

mikey_the_rat

[spanone]

74. does the senile old feller really know what country he wakes up in everyday?

[LeftishBrit]

75. Of course! It's those colonies ruled by Mad King George..

Actually, that might not be so far off!

[Dr Fate]

78. "This one is for Jersey Joe- take that Kaiser!"

n/t

[AwakeAtLast]

79. Then he hopped into his Studebaker and drove away.....

:D