I would LOVE to see every fucking one of them out on their asses come November.

[Stinky The Clown]

From top to bottom. Dismantle the fucking government. Tear it the fuck down. Throw all the careerists - no matter how wonderful they seem - out into the streets.

Get some citizens in there. Limit their terms.

Then go to the government agencies and start firing every political appointee, no matter the party and bring in new people.

Then go to the Civil Service people and make any of them above a certain level retest and reapply.

Take K Street and build that fence they want to put on the border around it. I am much more worried about people with soft palms and expense accounts at The Palm that I am about even the biggest influx of brown skinned people.

This shit has to END.

[saltpoint]

1. I'm with ya except for Condi.

Now there's a person with class.

She dresses nice and doesn't let the liberal media push her around.

When she scowls, I just melt. When she ignores memoranda and refuses to testify before the Congress, she wins my heart again and again.

Hurt me, Condi! Hurt me!

[indepat]

7. And nice shoes, don't forget the nice shoes

:D

[saltpoint]

15. LOL!

[Canuckistanian]

36. PLEASE hurt me, Condi!

[madinmaryland]

2. Why do we keep re-electing them?

Voting them out is the real term limiter, but the American people don't seem to use that option.

:shrug:

[mac2]

8. We don't. The media picks them and manipulates the

message. Computers and election officials do the rest. If we did then John Edwards and Kucinich would be in office at a higher level. They usually win the Democratic polls.

[madinmaryland]

13. The media does manipulate us, but it is the people

that do have the final say. Why do we (america) follow blindly what the media tells us to think.

:shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

21. heh -- ask that question in GD-P

I dare ya :evilgrin: :popcorn:

[madinmaryland]

24. I would, but I try to stay out of the cesspool called GD:Pffth!

:hi:

[Highway61]

28. with a pinch of help from Diebold...n/t

edit...spelling

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. !!!

:thumbsup:

[Donnachaidh]

20. yup. We'd have those two working on a ticket, and the show ponies would be GONE

No more of the stupid heavily-edited youtubes, no more of the *he/she's so CUTE/Handsome?sexy* idiotic postings from individuals who act like nincompoops.

But those nincompoops are the ones who are buying the bullshit, regurgitating the media driven spew - and we're stuck with a VERY expensive Puppet show.

:puke:

[leftofthedial]

25. because the oligarchy, through their corporations,

choose the candidates. We can have any color we want as long as it's lime green.

[warren pease]

31. They're hard to get rid of...

In theory, we have the ability and power to impose de facto term limits by using the ballot box to fire their miserable lying asses for gross incompetence and consistent failure to represent voters' interests.

In practice, incumbents almost always win. For example, in November 2004, 401 of the 435 sitting members of the House sought reelection. Of those 401, all but five were reelected. In other words, incumbents seeking reelection to the House were successful better than 99 percent of the time.

Political scientists cite several factors that contribute to the "incumbent advantage" but the primary one -- astoundingly -- is money. The corporate bribocracy throws its money at incumbents at a ratio of about 4.5 to 1. It's pretty unusual to see a well-funded challenger, unless they're rich and financing their own campaign.

Other factors contribute substantially -- easy access to an uncritical local media featuring fluff-heads too stupid to hook a gig with network, an existing campaign organization, party support, franking privileges and free travel to and from DC and their districts. But nothing comes close to the money advantage.

And so what? As somebody mentioned on this thread, nobody's standing in the voting booth with a gun at our heads demanding we vote for the incumbent. But there might as well be, given the results.

Last time I remember term limits being a big deal politically was in the early to mid 1990s. Something like 16 states had ballot initiatives that would impose some sort of term limits on their state and/or local politicians (since states can't trump the Constitution, voters couldn't place term limits on federal office holders, although they would have loved to).

Anyway, term limits passed by good margins in all these states. Simultaneously, all incumbents were reelected in all states where term limits initiatives were on the ballot. Which says to me these voters are either a) thick as a railroad tie, or b) think everybody else's representatives are bastards, but love their own. Better the devil you know than the one you don't?

I'll go with thick as a railroad tie for $2,000, Alex. That seems to be the answer to so much otherwise incomprehensible behavior by our fellow Americans these days.


wp

[nancyr]

3. I agree.

It isn't working, and if they were normal people they would have lost their jobs long ago.

[cynatnite]

4. Nope, 'cause some of them are doing an honest job...

Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and many more. A lot of them are good people.

The scum suckers who put party before country need to be shown the door.

[mac2]

10. Good people who take turns betraying us.

A few good in the barrel of bad apples?

[cynatnite]

12. How has Maxine Waters or Barney Frank betrayed us?

There are some good people who do honest work for the American people in DC. I think we'd be completely misguided in getting rid of all of them lock stock and barrel because of the bad ones.

[meegbear]

5. Anarchy! Anarchy! Anarchy! Anarchy!

[AlCzervik]

6. you can take DiFi but we're keeping Boxer.

[indepat]

9. Hear, hear!

[Tyler Durden]

11. You're 40 years too late.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3235324

Proof? 5 posts, 3 recs. Nobody really gives a shit.

[BulletproofLandshark]

19. Obviously that isn't true, or most of us wouldn't be here.

Threads just sink sometimes.

[TheWatcher]

37. And if what you say is true

Then we are going to get what we deserve.

I don't like it, and I know you don't either, but if We The People can't be bothered to wake up, stand up, and wrench this country away from those who have stolen it from us, we don't deserve to be a Free People anymore.

It's really that simple.

It seems most, whether they realize it or not, have resigned themselves to their fate.

[TayTay]

14. Gee what a great idea!

We should term limit people. And to save money, we can have the lobbyists hold seminars on how to write legislation. A government that is full of new people who don't know how legislation is written or how an executive branch is run will turn to the friendly help of those folks who understand the ins and outs of tax policy. Hey, it's cheap, it's free, it saves the taxpayers money, don't ya know.

By all means, get rid of everyone. Make sure that all those citizens who volunteer for no pay and no benefits to run school committees and local boards are gone too. Then, when we get local people who run their daughters or sons for the sole purpose of getting a zoning law changed or piece of land transferred, there will be no one there to stop this. No one will be there with the knowledge of what it all means.

By all means, throw them all out. Then prepare to have government run by and for the very few with the money to invest in writing legislation.

Great idea!

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Because that GIGO has been working so well?

[DrDan]

16. I doubt if you get much argument here for that thought

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. K&R!

[bemildred]

22. An excellent strategy.

Repeated every two years for a while, it might start to have results.

[Blue_Tires]

26. you might be on to something....

[Virginia Dare]

27. Nothing changes as long as K Street is intact...n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

29. I mentioned the 'fence' because it is relatively benign.

I have no moral objection to stronger measures.

[Jed Dilligan]

30. REBOOT

I like it.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. "Reboot "..... a perfectly apt description of the needed cure.

[madokie]

32. yes we do need to clean house

[sammythecat]

33. I whole-heartedly agree.

It seems pretty plain to me that our government is corrupt. We have a few Democratic leaders that are worthy, but on the whole, they're a very unimpressive lot and they've done little but let us down.

[Horse with no Name]

34. The good ones are weren't keeping if it means you have to save the bad ones

I totally agree. If you have one rotten potato in the bag...unchecked it will rot the entire bag.