Boston-Area Shooting Called 'Work-Related'

[fascisthunter]

Police arrested a 42-year-old employee of an Internet consulting firm in suburban Boston today after he allegedly opened fire and killed at least seven co-workers.

Police said they arrested Michael McDermott, an employee of Edgewater Technology (EDGW) , who was armed with an assault rifle, a shotgun and a semi-automatic handgun when they found him in the lobby of the office in Wakefield, Mass., according to Reuters news service.


McDermott faces charges for seven counts of murder, according to the report.

http://www.vault.com/nr/newsmain.jsp?nr_page=3&ch_id=402&article_id=1955267&cat_id=2091

Yes... let's let folks bring their guns with them to work.

[islandmkl]

1. can't wait for the "..if someone there would have had a gun on them...

this wouldn't have ended up with seven dead."

:banghead:

[MADem]

4. This happened EIGHT YEARS AGO. It isn't NEWS. nt

[fascisthunter]

6. really... try dismissing the point

ya can't...

[MADem]

12. What point? HEY, news flash!!! LINCOLN ASSASSINATED AT FORD'S THEATER!!

If you actually think that knowingly posting ancient news stories without any acknowledgment that they ARE ancient news stories is clever, there's a term for that kind of behavior. If you fucked up, say so and move on.

[fascisthunter]

17. you obviously have a personal problem

You could have tried to address the content of the article without getting personal, so either my point pisses you off or you are the one with a personal axe to grind.

[MADem]

21. I am familiar with this ancient story, because it happened in my state.

Your post appeared intended to "fool" people.

There's a word for that, and it isn't a 'personal problem.' You seem to like that word, don't you? Three times in two sentences!

That's what it looks like you have, frankly.

[fascisthunter]

23. My Post wasn't intended to "fool" anybody and I'd Appreciate it If

you stopped trying to mischaracterize my intent. Don't you have other people to ridicule and personally attack? Seems it's all you do on DU.

[MADem]

25. If your "intent" had been clear, there wouldn't have been any issue.

I'm not the only one on this shitty thread who pointed out that your "news" was old.

And you didn't make any appreciable point, either.

But do go on with your bad self, and your favorite word.

:crazy:

[fascisthunter]

26. You are Trying to Get my Thread Locked by Baiting me

I've alerted on you.

If I wanted to make this thread appear as if it were new, I would have placed in Breaking News, which I didn't. You are way off base as are most of your posts on DU.

[MADem]

27. I am not "baiting" you. You are "baiting' me, and anyone else who pointed out

to you that the story was old and you did not explain yourself.

You have both a pot AND a kettle, I see.

[fascisthunter]

28. It's all here for the mods to read.

You accused me of something I wasn't doing and you personally attacked me while doing so.

[MADem]

32. Yes, it is. And I hope they do read it.

It's obvious what you are doing.

The 'why' is another story....

[fascisthunter]

35. As You Stated Before... you are wasting your time

so maybe you should move on. You are actually the first person I have ever placed on ignore, because you do have a personal axe to grind with me, and it probably has nothing to do with the content of the article I posted or the point I made at the end of it. You are deliberately mischaracterizing my intent...

Buh bye.

[MADem]

37. Buh bye! nt

[MADem]

2. Uh, that's an ANCIENT STORY from the DARK ages. Probably why your source is called the VAULT.

That happened before nahn wun wun changed ever-thang.

Note the DATE: http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={435DD8FD-409D-49D9-946D-F5411DC00628}

Possible tax link in office slaughter
Officials say IRS wanted suspect's wages garnished
By Ted Griffith, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last update: 4:37 p.m. EST

Dec. 27, 2000

WAKEFIELD, Mass. (CBS.MW) -- The gunman who allegedly killed seven coworkers Tuesday morning at a suburban Boston Internet consultant was ordered held without bail Wednesday.
Michael McDermott, a 42-year-old employee of Edgewater Technology, pleaded not guilty to seven counts of murder. Investigators suspect McDermott's anger about an IRS order to garnish his wages prompted the massacre on the day after Christmas, according to news accounts.

[rox63]

3. This happened several years ago

I live in MA, and it was all over the news. McDermott has been in jail for at least a couple of years by now.

[fascisthunter]

5. so?

[rox63]

7. You could dig up lots of old crimes to make your point

What's relevant is what's going on now. You made it sound like it was a new story, which it's not.

[fascisthunter]

8. Ok Here ya Go:

Suspect in workplace shooting to be arraigned Wednesday
Tuesday, April 10, 2007

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070410/METRO/704100358

is that relevent enough for ya...?

[MADem]

15. So why didn't you post THAT story? Trying to be 'cool' and 'oblique' eh?

It's not working. You come off as either uninformed, or deliberately yanking people's chains.

[fascisthunter]

16. Because It Still Made the Point I Wanted to Make

and you obviously understood enough to "nitpick". Don't make this personal... as you often do.

[MADem]

20. No, it didn't. The point it made, to ME, was that you posted an old story.

I don't "make things personal." You have perception issues. And you make things more difficult than they need to be, for whatever reason.

And you've wasted enough of my time.

:hi:

[fascisthunter]

22. You Keep Distracting from my intent...

You wasted your own time....

[fascisthunter]

9. Here's Another More Recent:

Workplace Shooting at Calif. Postal Facility Leaves 7 Dead
http://www.securityinfowatch.com/online/Government--and--Public-Buildings/Workplace-Shooting-at-Calif.-Postal-Facility-Leaves-7-Dead/7169SIW349


I'm sure there are many more... want more?

[sniffa]

10. Wow. I initially was going to say, "what are the odds

that the same company that Mucko shot up, was shot up again.. by Mucko himself."

You could have at least included the graphics from back then that showed his path and the bodies of the dead. It even included the survivors and where they were hiding under their desks.

[fascisthunter]

11. Really.. Could I Have.. wow, Thanks Man

The National Institute For The Prevention Of Workplace Violence
http://www.workplaceviolence911.com/Articles/articles.jsp?listType=1015

[devilgrrl]

13. ...

:eyes:

[fascisthunter]

19. ...

:shrug:

[rox63]

14. I think we can all agree that workplace violence is bad

And workplace mass-murders are even more bad.

[fascisthunter]

18. Thank You... That's all I'm Pointing Out

but it seems my posting this really pisses off enough folks to get personal with me.

[benEzra]

24. In a state that prohibits you from locking a gun in your car while you are at work...

And your point is?

If you are casting aspersions on the proposed Florida law to prohibit employer searches of employee-owned cars for lawfully possessed firearms locked inside the vehicle in public parking lots, methinks this provides more counterexample than support.

The idea that a person planning a mass murder would be dissuaded by a company policy that says no guns may be stored in locked cars in the parking lot is rather naive...

FWIW, the recent guns-in-cars issue started with Weyerhauser's firing of a bunch of employees who had firearms locked in their cars on the first day of hunting season. Anyone who refused a search of their car, or who had a gun in the car, was fired on the spot. That is just wrong, IMO.

[fascisthunter]

29. My Point... More Accesibility to Guns

will lead to more violence. Further deregulation of guns is bad for society.... not good. And it's not even necessary which is what makes this issue even more tragic. That's my point.

[Breeze54]

31. Criminals use 'throw aways' not legal guns. Crazy people use legal guns.

And MA makes guns in Springfield, last I checked!

I'm sure there is a black market going on somewhere.

[fascisthunter]

34. And More Accesibility Make Guns more Accessable

There is no reason one needs to bring a gun with them to work. None....

[Breeze54]

36. Well, I'm sure there are jobs that require it but that guy was nutz...

completely insane. That's the difference, I think.

[fascisthunter]

38. That's True... he Was Nuts

And I can even see folks who are going on a hunt after work getting a permit to carry their guns in their vehicles to work. I just don't see why we should just make it legal to bring guns to work without getting a permit. I believe in regulation... as I have seen enough gun violence, especially in the city. Regulation does work....

I do however see how it's much more acceptible to be able to bring guns with you too work in areas around the country where hunting is done frequently. This issue is probably much more relevent depending on where you live...

[Breeze54]

43. You DO have to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Massachusetts!!

No permit and you go to jail for a year, no exceptions!

[fascisthunter]

47. Yes.... and That's a Good Thing

I'm refering to the ruling in Florida...

I was posting about the incident not necessarily about Massachusetts and it's own laws. I don't want to see the type of deregulation happen in my state...

[Breeze54]

Umm..then why are you posting a story from Bos. 8 yrs. old?

I'm sorry but you're not making any sense to me.

[fascisthunter]

49. Because It Shows Gun Violence at a Work Place

Allowing folks to brings guns with them everywhere including work means we will see more not less incidents like this one. The story being 8 years old is irrelevent to my point. I also linked to a case much more recent... but I really didn't feel I needed to.

After all, it wasn't posted in Breaking News.

[Breeze54]

51. What WOULD be relevant would be a story like this from Florida!

;)

And you didn't mention in your OP (original post) that this had anything to do with Florida.

[fascisthunter]

54. Just Got Back Home... I Didn't Have to Mention What State:

But for further clarity I probably should have linked to the article talking about the ruling made in Florida. What state this was in or what date the article was written is irrelevant to the point I was making and here is the exact quote: "Yes... let's let folks bring their guns with them to work."

I'm sure if I looked enough, I probably could have found an article writing about a gun incident at a workplace somewhere in FL. My point would have been more poignant and relative to the Florida ruling itself.

[slackmaster]

44. "Accessibility" to guns is a binary results set

It's either

1 - You can get a gun or
0 - You can't get one

If it's not 1 then it is 0.

[benEzra]

45. I don't see anyone arguing for more accessibility.

What I see is an attempt by gun owners to retain the accessibility (for the law-abiding) that we have historically had. I am open to additional efforts to address criminal misuse, but Priority One for the gun-control lobby seems to be restrictions on lawful and responsible use, hence the emphasis on rifle bans, hassling of licensed CHL holders, and so on.

[fascisthunter]

48. You Do Raise a Good and Valid Point about Law Abiding Folks

having their accessibility to their guns. I just think more accessibility like this will encourage more folks to bring their guns with them everywhere, setting up a very dangerous precedent in the future for those who do not or wish not to carry.

We already know more accesibility to guns leads to more incidents with guns, due unfortunately to human behavior. I do believe America has a problem with guns and making them more accesible is not going to make America more responsible. It's an issue that goes beyond guns, and until we deal with the other issues that create the incidences that I have linked to, we are going to see more, not less.

[benEzra]

50. The law-abiding have always had that accessibility in most states.

It is only in the last few years that the gun-control lobby has been urging companies to enact "no guns in cars" policies enforced by searches, as a way to prevent licensed CHL holders from carrying before or after work, and a side effect is preventing someone from hunting or going to the range after work.

The Weyerhauser search was conducted on the first day of hunting season on purpose, IMO. Catching criminals certainly wasn't the motivation.

[fascisthunter]

55. Interesting... Thank You for That Info

That sheds a different light on the Florida ruling for me.

[SteveM]

57. "More accesibility to guns will lead to more violence." Support?

[Breeze54]

30. Why are you posting such an old story? He's already in prison!

:crazy:

[fascisthunter]

33. This is an Old Story But Should Make Folks Think about a Current Ruling

This thread was not intended to make people think this happened yesterday or today. As I have replied to someone else, I could have posted something more recent, but didn't because I felt the purpose of this thread would be self-explanatory as highlighting the fact that guns have been brought to work (illegally) and has ended in work place violence. I believe with the most recent ruling, this type of scenario will be more prevalent.

[slackmaster]

40. What ruling are you referring to?

Did someone successsfully sue an employer for a workplace policy that violated his or her Second Amendment rights?

[fascisthunter]

46. That One in Florida (nt)

[benEzra]

52. That is a legislative proposal to preserve existing Florida rights

against recent moves by large corporations to institute search-cars-in-public-lots rules, a la the Weyerhauser case. This creates no new access; Florida law has always recognized the right to have a firearm secured in the car, as long as it is not on your person.

[fascisthunter]

56. Very Good.....

I still would rather see a public without as many guns. But the law is the law, and it's up to society to decide what is good for itself.

[slackmaster]

53. Insufficient information

I am at work and don't have time to follow all the news all the time.

[slackmaster]

39. Funny how this kind of thing NEVER happens in a gun factory

Work-related indeed.

[fascisthunter]

41. Yeah... it is interesting

but the World isn't a "Gun Factory"

[mitchum]

42. Og hits several members of mammoth hunting party with big rock

I thought that I would also contribute a late breaking story

[malaise]

58. WTF?

Guns kill.