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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:49 AM
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Pastor Wright's Statements Not Entirely False
I am not an Obama supporter but I do take issue with those who claim Jeremiah Wright's statements as false and or racist. After perusing them quite carefully, I belive he is correct and partially correct.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001."

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation. "

I give Wright an A and a correct on this one. It is largely due to our foreign policy that we were attacked on 9/11



"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."


I think Wright is partially correct on this. I disagree that the government gives "them" (assuming he means kids both black and white) drugs. Drugs are a choice just like alcohol, tobacco, sugar, chocolate and caffiene. "America" doesn't give drugs to anyone. We choose them, and yes even kids choose. The "war on drugs" is over, the government lost. It's about personal responsibility He makes a good point with the rest although some criminals should be out with the first strike. On this, I give him a B+ and a partially correct.

I also agree that in these times, the rhetoric is probably inflammatory and I think it is absurd to assume that "God" is in the business of blessing or damning any country. If there is a God, "SHE" is more about blessing and or damning people.

Discuss?



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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:57 AM
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1. On target to say the least!
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:03 AM
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2. In politics Wright = Farrakhan and Obama = Osama
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 11:24 AM by live love laugh
At least that is how the media is trying to portray this. In other words, Obama is chummy with Farrakhan and Osama.

Jeremiah Wright is no Farrakhan. I have been to Jeremiah Wright's church. Many of my friends and coworkers have as well. I have also studied the role of the black church in American history. The black church's role has been one of information, education, empowerment and religion--out of necessity--since slaves were only allowed to congregate at churches.

The tradition continues with Jeremiah Wright who is a brilliant man. I will say that it is possible to be proud of being black while also not hating whites. Many whites sat in his congregation when he made the very proclamations that are being waved as evidence of racism against him and Obama.

Other famous people have attended his church. Oprah for one. He is a powerful orator and draws people far and wide to his church. Until he built a new church from the ample contributions of his congregation about ten years ago, people stood for hours to hear him because they just could not fit into the sancutuary. The congregation is very well educated, middle to upper middle class and mostly black.

Jeremiah Wright was one of those preachers who was offered what I feel is "hush money" indirectly by the Bush administration. It was money targeted to black churches because of the aforementioned history and influence in their communities. It was issued around the time of the war, funneled from the federal level to cities with high-powered preachers like Wright. T. D. Jakes took the money and keeps taking it unbeknownst to many who continue to follow him--his is making money hand over fist and being propped up by the Republican party. Wright refused to take this money--knowing its source and intent.

Wright is not beholden to anybody but his congregation and they have seen to it that his church is well taken care of and that the church takes care of its community.

And yes, what you have posted as quotes from him are true.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:09 AM
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4. Of course they are
And they will keep doing it which is why I think it might hurt him. Hurting people is what the RW does best
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:27 AM
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8. I am delighted to hear this

I was reading all the flame but no one has bothered to talk about him like you have ~ great!

I am African American and many of our preachers speak like this, it is our only "Newspaper" in many instances.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:39 AM
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14. I think he is pretty much spot on
The only problem is his being inflammatory which gives fuel to the repukes and their ditto heads. My husband and I are white and when we talk around here about the same issues, we say the same things Wright does.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:08 AM
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3. Agreed.....
I will partially agree with him on the drug thing also....I believe our government "does" covertly assist in the growing of drugs and the distribution of them in certain areas of amerika.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:13 AM
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5. Absolutely correct
but still a choice for these kids. I always go back to Amsterdam on this one. They grow and distribute to their people via coffee shops but it is still a choice for kids over 18 to purchase the drugs. We might see a decline in the drug problem if in America coffee shop suddendly sprung up all over for kids over 18
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:18 AM
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6. Candy-flavored meth is a choice for kids?
:wtf:

http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=NewsRoom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=2A23DB2E-DFFD-DEE7-3504-5BF193466681

Senators Feinstein and Grassley Introduce Legislation to Penalize Drug Dealers Who Market Candy-Flavored Meth to Children

- Senators Feinstein and Grassley also introduce legislation to extend authorization of $20 million grant program to help drug endangered children -

Washington, DC – U.S. Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) today introduced legislation to increase the federal criminal penalties for drug dealers who entice children with candy-flavored methamphetamine and other flavored drugs.

The legislation comes in the wake of recent reports detailing the growing trend of candy-flavored meth. According to law enforcement officers and drug treatment officials, methamphetamine and other illegal drugs are being colored, packaged and flavored in ways designed to attract children and minors. The flavored meth first appeared on the streets earlier this year, and is being sold to children and teens.

“This bill will send a strong and clear message to drug dealers – if you target our children by peddling candy-flavored drugs, there will be a heavy price to pay,” Senator Feinstein said. “Flavored meth – with child-friendly names like Strawberry Quick – is designed to get people to try it a few times. It’s all about hooking young people, and we have to stop this practice before it grows any further. So, this legislation will increase the criminal penalties for anyone who markets candy-flavored drugs to our youth – by imposing on them the same enhanced penalties applied to dealers who distribute drugs to minors.”

“New techniques and gimmicks to lure our kids into addiction are around every corner. Candy flavored meth is the latest craze used by drug dealers,” Senator Grassley said. “Research has shown time and again that if you can keep a child drug-free until they turn 20, chances are very slim that they will ever try or become addicted. This makes it all the more important that we put an end to the practice of purposely altering illegal drugs to make them more appealing to young people.”

The Drug Enforcement Administration and the White House’s Office of National Drug Control Policy have issued warnings on the trend of flavored methamphetamine. In San Francisco, police report that since late January they have been arresting teens in possession of meth designed to taste like chocolate. The Haight-Asbury clinic also confirms that chocolate-flavored methamphetamine is being used on the streets.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:25 AM
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7. For teens it is a choice even so..........
grade school children are a different story I would agree. Blame the drug dealers on this one, but America as a whole, no. I would also add that in many cities, they are putting under cover cops on and around specific areas of playgrounds to watch for this. Don't know if it will work though.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:28 AM
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9. Teens are kids. n/t
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:31 AM
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11. Yea but old enough to choose, at least my kids were
but this may go back to parents and child rearing and the lack of understanding on the part of parents just how dangerous it is out there. I dare say that many parents have not even heard of candy colored meth.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:33 AM
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13. Don't blame the victims. Blame poverty and a horde of other issues.
Poor city kids and rural kids don't have all the safety nets.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:30 AM
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10. I don't know when Spiritual Advisor became a part of the presidential package -
there's Pres, VP, First Lady and Spiritual Advisor.

How about presidents stick to policy and law and leave spirituality in private life?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:31 AM
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12. Bush had a spiritual advisor
Wans't that Rev. Ted?
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