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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:24 PM
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I always thought the 8 billion missing from Iraq was diverted...
and the Seymour Hersh piece made me say Bingo, there it went. This makes Iran/Contra look like, well... a blow job.
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Merrill Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:31 PM
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1. Iran Contra again
TELLING CONGRESS
The Bush Administration’s reliance o clandestine operations that have not bee reported to Congress and its dealings wit intermediaries with questionable agendas hav recalled, for some in Washington, an earlie chapter in history. Two decades ago, th Reagan Administration attempted to fund th Nicaraguan contras illegally, with the help o secret arms sales to Iran. Saudi money wa involved in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal, and a few of the players bac then—notably Prince Bandar and Elliot Abrams—are involved in today’s dealings

Iran-Contra was the subject of an informal “lessons learned” discussion two years ago among veterans of the scandal. Abrams led the discussion. One conclusion was that even though the program was eventually exposed, it had been possible to execute it without telling Congress. As to what the experience taught them, in terms of future covert operations, the participants found: “One, you can’t trust our friends. Two, the C.I.A. has got to be totally out of it. Three, you can’t trust the uniformed military, and four, it’s got to be run out of the Vice-President’s office”—a reference to Cheney’s role, the former senior intelligence official said.

I was subsequently told by the two government consultants and the former senior intelligence official that the echoes of Iran-Contra were a factor in Negroponte’s decision to resign from the National Intelligence directorship and accept a sub-Cabinet position of Deputy Secretary of State. (Negroponte declined to comment.)

The former senior intelligence official also told me that Negroponte did not want a repeat of his experience in the Reagan Administration, when he served as Ambassador to Honduras. “Negroponte said, ‘No way. I’m not going down that road again, with the N.S.C. running operations off the books, with no finding.’ ” (In the case of covert C.I.A. operations, the President must issue a written finding and inform Congress.) Negroponte stayed on as Deputy Secretary of State, he added, because “he believes he can influence the government in a positive way.”

The government consultant said that Negroponte shared the White House’s policy goals but “wanted to do it by the book.” The Pentagon consultant also told me that “there was a sense at the senior-ranks level that he wasn’t fully on board with the more adventurous clandestine initiatives.” It was also true, he said, that Negroponte “had problems with this Rube Goldberg policy contraption for fixing the Middle East.”

The Pentagon consultant added that one difficulty, in terms of oversight, was accounting for covert funds. “There are many, many pots of black money, scattered in many places and used all over the world on a variety of missions,” he said. The budgetary chaos in Iraq, where billions of dollars are unaccounted for, has made it a vehicle for such transactions, according to the former senior intelligence official and the retired four-star general.

“This goes back to Iran-Contra,” a former National Security Council aide told me. “And much of what they’re doing is to keep the agency out of it.” He said that Congress was not being briefed on the full extent of the U.S.-Saudi operations. And, he said, “The C.I.A. is asking, ‘What’s going on?’ They’re concerned, because they think it’s amateur hour.”

The issue of oversight is beginning to get more attention from Congress. Last November, the Congressional Research Service issued a report for Congress on what it depicted as the Administration’s blurring of the line between C.I.A. activities and strictly military ones, which do not have the same reporting requirements. And the Senate Intelligence Committee, headed by Senator Jay Rockefeller, has scheduled a hearing for March 8th on Defense Department intelligence activities.

Senator Ron Wyden, of Oregon, a Democrat who is a member of the Intelligence Committee, told me, “The Bush Administration has frequently failed to meet its legal obligation to keep the Intelligence Committee fully and currently informed. Time and again, the answer has been ‘Trust us.’ ” Wyden said, “It is hard for me to trust the Administration.”
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:31 PM
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2. yep.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:33 PM
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3. Me too, only I thought it went directly into certain pockets.
Perhaps those billions went into investing in another war to line those same certain pockets with additional monies. Scarier and scarier!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:36 PM
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4. Will have to read the artcile even more closely
but yep, it does seem to fit a pattern. this time they didn't even way for the boland ammendment to be ON THE BOOKS, ASS HOLES
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:43 PM
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5. This will help.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:50 PM
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6. Has Seymour Hersh ever been able to make a REAL difference?
Clearly his track record is spot on and time has consistently proven him correct. But how many American ears does he actually reach? Not once have the MSM news people picked him up and given him a broad voice.

It's people like him and Ritter that should be getting mass distribution. Unfortunately, not even the blogosphere seems to give either man the attention they deserve.

Unfortunate really because Hersh especially has enough info to convince even some RWers to drop kick the Bush admin right under the bus.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:51 PM
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7. and before Iran/Contra..
there was: The Saga of Hog Island,1917-1921: The Story of the First Great War Boondoggle
by James J. Martin
http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/hogisle.shtml
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