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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:30 PM Original message |
Chávez threatens to nationalise food companies |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well I don't know about you but IF food becomes too expensive for |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes, but measures that will improve things, not measures that will make them worse. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I suppose you are right on that. It would probably be a better plan |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. They do grow food in their own nation |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. This does raise the question as to why there are food shortages in Venezuela but none in the USA |
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mrfrapp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
97. ... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's a reasonable response to monopolistic/oligopolistic behavior. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. FYI |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
68. Can supermarket owners be patriots and serve their country? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Can the Venezulan leadership not force market owners |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. it's not what the government can do for you but what you can do for your country |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. EXACTLY.... (nt) |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Corporations suck, but nationalizing something is like creating one BIG corporation. |
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ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. Maybe Chavez can import cheap food on his new subs. n/t |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. LOL! |
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Dawggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why am I thinking Dole? |
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nels25 (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. At the risk of being naive |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. You're Not Being Naive |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. There's a difference between nationalizing the distributors... |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
70. He may want to eliminate the middle man like Waltmart do. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
13. GOOD! Since They Won't Sell Foods to Their Own People |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Selling at a loss means the farmer and business owner will starve. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You might consider contacting your own Congressmen about the fact this government |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I have, I am totally against subsidizing farmers especially the big corporate agro companies. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. Why doesn't the Mexican gov't subsidize their farmers? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. If they do it, there won't be no NAFTA (nt) |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Those huge crops are harvested by huge machines or didn't you know that? n/t |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Of course I was being somewhat facetious |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Huge, complex problems seem to have very simple answers with some people! |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Again, why not Mexican subsidies? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Here are some answers |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Thanks for posting this information. Here's more from the second article: |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Surrrre it does.... Because the greedy don't want to take a profit hit |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. What planet are you on? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Ther are profits and obscene profits, Mutley. |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Agreed but this does not seem like obscene profits. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. How much food are you selling to Venezuelans at a loss? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Hey Genius... Am I a Company that Sells Food? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That's entirely irrelevant. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. No... your Straw man was Irrelevent... good bye |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. You could be a company that sells food |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Two sides |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Capitalists always shift focus to the farmers |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. So the processors and distributers |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
85. So the processors and distributors should not be getting |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You are privy to the details of the costs and returns involved, are you? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. the 11$ was a typo |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Selatius seems to have the answer - more than one. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Yea I think his way is better |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
28. Chavez should remove price controls and let the markets determine prices. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Excellent points. Perhaps you are right - though It's difficult to know the truth |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. If there is much price gouging, it's usually a sign that free market competition has broken down. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Adam Smith's jaundiced, if accurate, view of businessmen's all too natural propensity |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I agree. n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. He doesn't even need to remove the controls. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. EXACTLY |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Price controls are an unnecessary and harmful intervention in basic supply/demand self-regulation. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. they've tried this; its called anarchism |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. I'm glad to see someone understands the basics of supply and demand. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
72. That's what the Chavez opposition wish |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
86. Your scheme presumes that farmers determine final prices |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 05:50 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. We would have to show that farmers couldn't legally bring produce to market. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Why would it need to be so blatant? Do farmers have transport available? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. I understand what you're saying, but it's also true the Socialists are in power down there, not here |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I think it'd be more accurate to say that socialists have some of the *political* power down there |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
37. Don't blame him |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Because people like to sell the fruits of their labor for a profit |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Especially not to the oligarchy who had been used to stepping |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Or to supermarket owners, farmers, or employees |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. None of those control distribution and that's where the conflict |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Really |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. You are most correct in calling the oligarchy out for what it is... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Given the forces aligned against the government, including |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. I'm not talking price controls |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. But that is *not* what is happening here |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. What you've written here and elsewhere agrees so closely with other articles. Here's one I was glad |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Important point raised in DU'er ronnie624's article: they know Chavez intends, if possible, |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
81. Article 113? you mean Venezuela doesn't have anti-trust powers like we do? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:47 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Found a link concerning early discussions they were holding on the subject: |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:42 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. wait! this was the constitutional referendum of last year, right? the one that failed? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:50 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I think that first one was from the run up to the referendum, when they were taking the items around |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
43. Ah, yes, nationalization of food production and price controls. Those are always effective. Always. |
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JosephSchmo (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
54. Price controls don't work. Nationalization won't work either. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
56. Nationalization isn't all the evil the corporate brainwashers of |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. No it wont work |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Speculation. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Right because were so simple.. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Why did it fail? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
93. Which Venezuela is moving very quickly towards |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Chavez is elected in elections that appear to be more honest |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
73. Agree many think latin america function the same way a consumerism society does. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Ha! I've noticed that, myself! They seem to imagine the whole world is just like their neighborhoods |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. "The solution is quite simple," |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
67. Why that fascist, totalitarian dictator |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. You're exactly right |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Buy crummy Russian submarines instead |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
92. 2 WORDS: VIVA CHAVEZ. No corporate abuse with him n/t |
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