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Fainter Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:56 PM
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Sibel Edmonds: 'Buckle up, there is much more coming.'
Source: Interview with Sibel Edmonds conducted by Luke Ryland 01/27/08

I have one message for the U.S. media: If they think this is over, it is not over. Much more will come out. They won't be able to ignore it any longer, and so I hope they get over any reluctance they might have.

Look at the positive press the Times' series has received since their first article ran. Do you think their editors haven't noticed? The Times is adding more and more resources to the story, more journalists, bigger budgets, and more importantly, they are getting more and more sources coming forward to shed light on these illegal activities. As I have said from the beginning, this story is not about me, there are many sources who have been waiting for the right time to come forward, I've probably never even heard of most of them, and now they are coming forward. This will play out like Watergate played out, with the drip, drip, drip. So I say to everyone, 'Buckle up, there's much more coming.'

Read more: http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/



This is a snippet of a lengthy interview with Sibel Edmonds conducted by Luke Ryland Sunday 01/27/08 (our date) and transcripted at his blog http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/. Ms. Edmonds is referring to a series of articles which have just begun to run in the Times (UK), but the real news is her announcement that worse is yet to come and her suggestions for heading off the implementation of laws designed to retroactively shield high level Washington figures for their criminal wrongdoing in proliferating nuclear weapons which may have fallen into the hands of our terrorist enemies. At this time I know of no other source which is reporting Ms. Edmonds' latest thinking on this gigantic scandal, so all kudos to Lukery and his dogged efforts in bringing this story to the attention of the mainstream press here in the states. The dam is breaking.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:02 PM
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1. like this story...>>Link>> American Judas
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:22 AM
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2. k&r! n/t
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:42 AM
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3. ah, this is so much more important than idiots losing their wads over handshakes!
thank you for posting!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:27 AM
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4. Truth to Power!! Ms. Edmonds a true Patriot
Leave no stone unturned. Expose these bastards. Every last one of them, then maybe we can move forward but until then it all has to be put in front of the American people. We deserve Justice and thats what we will get.
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waterdancer Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:50 AM
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5. new YouTube video on Sibel Edmonds
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:05 AM
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8. Thanks for posting that link, waterdancer!
I knew I was missing parts of the story. The video filled in the gaps.

:hi:
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:22 PM
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32. yes!
thank you! Just one name from that video:


Larry Franklin
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Lawrence Anthony Franklin is a U.S. Air Force Reserve colonel who has pleaded guilty to passing information about U.S. policy towards Iran to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the foremost pro-Israel lobbying organization in the U.S, while he was working for the Defense Department in what he claims was an attempt to get the information passed on to the United States National Security Council, which he could not do through regular Pentagon channels. Two former employees of that organization are also facing charges that they assisted him in the AIPAC espionage scandal and passing classified information to an Israeli diplomat Naor Gilon. On January 20, 2006, Judge T.S. Ellis, III sentenced Franklin to 151 months (almost 13 years) in prison and fined him $10,000. <1> The case was heard in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. Ultimately, Franklin was charged with unauthorized disclosure of classified information, not with espionage.


Franklin at the Office of Special Plans

In 2002 and 2003, Franklin worked at the Office of Special Plans which was set up by Donald Rumsfeld. The office was led by prominent neoconservative Douglas Feith. Under Feith's authorization, Larry Franklin met with Iran-Contra figures; critics allege they discussed Iraq intelligence, while supporters say they discussed only the War on Terrorism.<2><3>
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:09 AM
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6. KRNT for this evolving important case!!!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:45 AM
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7. Will the real patriots please stand up?
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 07:47 AM by formercia
It's time to put these perpeTRAITORS out of business.

Sibel needs some backup.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:20 AM
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9. Sibel, Sibel, Sibel...tsk...tsk
They won't be able to ignore it any longer

Let's see. How long have they ignored the myriad crimes of Bush and Cheney? The 935 lies? The recession? The fact that the neocons are building a private army with tax dollars? The fact that telecom companies are serving as domestic spying agencies?

Love ya, darlin', but if you think the media is EVER going to cover this, you're mistaken
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:30 AM
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11. On the other hand
It might be effective of MSM to do some coverage of Sibel's story - so they can say see we do go after stories that are off-limits, while of course continuing to ignore the issues that are completely out-of-bounds (such as stolen elections, 911 possibly facilitated from the inside, going to war based on blatant lies... etc)

Then again, Sibel's story probably does make that 'completely-out-of-bounds' list ... you're probably right :(
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:03 AM
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13. This story is part and parcel of the stolen elections, the lies to war
and the greatest theft in history.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:01 AM
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19. The media will cover it
if there's a way to get in a Britney Spears crotch shot.
Come on now, we're the dumbest country on earth.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:22 AM
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10. really good interview, thanks!
Interesting to me was this quote:
To this day not a single US reporter has asked 'Why was the State Secrets Privilege been invoked here? What is going on?'
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:54 AM
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12. See yesterday's thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2777893

One encouraging sign is this:

"The Times is adding more and more resources to the story, more journalists, bigger budgets, and more importantly, they are getting more and more sources coming forward to shed light on these illegal activities."

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:04 AM
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14. KR for max coverage.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:07 AM
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15. Just saw this article in the New Anatolian
"Olli Rehn, EU commissioner for enlargement, said Tuesday the EU was ready to assist Turkey in nuclear energy.

Rehn said the Turkish government should take into consideration nuclear safety when it makes a decision on construction of nuclear power plants when he responded to a question motion. The European Commission asked member countries to assure a high-level nuclear safety, he stated.

Rehn said the Commission asked for a detailed information from Turkey about its nuclear energy plans during the latest talks."

seems like everybody want to help Turkey on the nuclear front. I would imagine the Russians are in a mood to be helpful as well.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:20 AM
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16. I hope the UK Times covers this story constantly and blows the lid off of
those here that are responsible for derailing our gov't. All exposure is good & this will only grow.

The media here will have to cover it if the corruption is exposed in the UK...they will be shamed to do so. Those responsible for treasonous acts against this country need to be held accountable and the more exposure this case gets the sooner that will happen.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:00 PM
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25. Or
The media here could make a new story about how awful UK media has become (thereby discrediting any exposed allegations)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:47 AM
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17. It looks like traitors are being outed
the covering up for traitors and if Congress gives immunity will only show our government has like Byrd said from the beginning
A Dark Group within at high powerful places

Dangerous times ahead
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:54 AM
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18. See this relevant DU thread: "American Judas" (re Cheney/Rumsfeld profiting from
illicit nuke weapons proliferation).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x66773

AMERICAN JUDAS
Selling the Security of America and the World for 30 Pieces of Silver
By Robert Paulsen

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It's thick read, but well worth it. I particularly liked this point:

"It's a well-known fact--oft detailed in this column--that the boys in the Bush Regime swing both ways. We speak, of course, of their proclivity--their apparently uncontrollable craving--for stuffing their trousers with loot from both sides of whatever war or military crisis is going at the moment."

The mods have archive it--I dunno why.

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As an explanation for the Plame and Brewster-Jennings outings, Cheney/Rumsfeld connections to the Abdul Kahn's "nuclear Wal-Mart" is one of the best theories. Plame/B-J was a CIA WMD counter-proliferation project, 20 years in the making, with covert agents/contacts all over the world, for discovering and countering the spread of dangerous weapons.

I tend to favor the theory that connects the Plame outings to the murder of British weapons expert (and UN weapons inspector) David Kelly, four days after Plame was outed. Late May 2003: Kelly began whistle-blowing to the BBC (about the Brits' "sexed up" pre-war intel). Circa 7/1/03: Kelly interrogated at a "safe house." 7/14/03: Plame outed (by Novak). Four days later, 7/18/03: Kelly found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; his office and computers searched. 7/22/03: The entire B/J network outed (also by Novak).

Of course, there could have been multiple Cheney/Rumsfeld motives to out Plame/B-J. But the circumstances of Kelly's death, including its remarkable coincidence with the Plame outings (the same week), and other events (such as the post-invasion "hunt" for WMDS that was occurring in Iraq at the time, the Judith Miller connection--NYT war shill, friend of Kelly's, accompanying the U.S. troops doing the "hunting"--Hutton report evidence that the Blairites were concerned about something ELSE that Kelly knew-- and other evidence), point to a specific motive for the murder of Kelly--and a good guess at what it was is a Bushite/Blairite plot to PLANT nukes in Iraq, to be "found" by the U.S. troops. (A foiled plot, obviously--which could add anger to other motives to out Plame/B-J and kill Kelly.)

The question "what did Kelly know that got him killed?" COULD have to do with Cheney/Rumsfeld war profiteering. But it more likely had something specific to do with Iraq and Bushite lies about Iraq. And IF Kelly's murder is connected with the Plame/B-J outings (part of one multi-pronged effort to suppress something in particular)--and it is certainly connected time-wise--WHAT would the suppressed something be, the matter at hand, that could precipitate hasty, panicky action on both sites of the Atlantic--a treasonous outing, a murder--that is the substance of the connection between the Plame and Kelly events? Threatened disclosure of a failed scheme to plant the weapons in Iraq fills that bill.

Further, the CAPABILITY of procuring illicit weapons and deploying them secretly to Iraq (to be "found" by the troops), fits well with what may have been Cheney/Rumsfeld's larger, or other, motive in outing Plame/B-J: foiling investigation of their ties to the Abdul Kahn network and OTHER illicit weapons dealings. (And it's interesting that one possible connecting figure--Manucher Ghorbanifar--who was present at the '01 Rome meeting of NeoCon Michael Ladeen and others, where the scheme to plant the weapons in Iraq may have been hatched, is an old Iran-Contra (Cheney/Rumsfeld) operative and notorious weapons dealer).

I think the Kelly murder is being neglected by Abdul Khan network and Plame investigators, and needs to be looked at more closely. It could be the thread in this evil tapestry that is most pullable. What could have triggered treasonable outings of a CIA network, and the murder of a British expert with near identical interest/involvement (counter-proliferation; threat to Bush/Blair), within four days of each other?

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:18 PM
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31. David Kelly and the “many dark actors playing games” is an important piece of the puzzle.
And I believe you are correct that more than likely it ties in with the planted WMD plot that Ghorbanifar/Ledeen are at the heart of. This thread has a good collection of references, plus recent info on how suspicious Kelly's death was:

New suspicion over Kelly death - MP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3029190
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:09 AM
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20. Duplicate thread, also on Greatest page:
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:38 AM
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21. K&R n/t
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:59 AM
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22. K&R n/t
:kick:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:39 AM
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23. Just a word of caution about the London Times...
In this incredibly Byzantine, serpentine and foul-smelling cauldron of corruption that the U.S./UK political/corporate establishment has become, we need to be very wary of the motives and timing of war profiteering corporate news monopolies like the NYT and the London Times, in releasing bits of the toxic waste--especially when they do in very delayed releases of putridity. We now live in BushWorld: a world of backstabbings, blackmail, murder, mass slaughter, massive thievery, torture, disinformation, and utter lawlessness in official circles, the likes of which we have never seen. We live in a world in which the NYT killed a story of massive, illegal Bushite domestic spying, in the months before the 2004 "election," in order to support the narrative that Bush won. We live in a world in which CBS killed a story of Bush's AWOL in the Texas National Guard for the same reason (and Dan Rather has evidence that CBS execs admitted it--they said it was "in their interest" that Bush stay in power). We live in a world in which the NYT ran story after story of drivel and lies about Iraq WMDs, leading up to the invasion, in support of the Bush narrative that the slaughter of 1.2 million Iraqis was essential to our national security.

A "free press" was supposed to be one of our guarantees against this kind of unfrackingbelievable official corruption. But we have been UTTERLY BETRAYED by the "Fourth Estate," time and again, over the last eight years. And the London Times has been one of the worst. So, what is their motive in supporting Sibel Edmonds NOW?

It's a question we must ask. I have no reason whatever to question Edmonds' motives. She is one of the bravest people in American history. But we have much reason to distrust the London Times. One of their motives, that occurred to me the other day, is to smear and disable Democrats--any of them who have done wrong, and possibly some who have not--now that Democrats are resurgent, and may take over the White House. Bear in mind that many of our Democrats are collusive with Bushites on war profiteering, and they and others have sat back and done nothing, while the Bushites took us off the cliff of fascism, and indeed toward financial ruin and the end of our Constitution and our democracy. (Their collusion on "trade secret" vote counting, by rightwing Bushite corporations, comes to mind--not to mention their collusion on the war.) Many of them do not have clean hands. Yet, none of them would have ever done--or dared to do--what the Bush Junta has done, and it's probably true that a Democratic regime in the White House--even if it's Hillary--will unleash some "truth" activity within the country, and Congress, by untainted, public service-minded Democrats. How to stopgap such activity (and what it might lead to--prosecution)? Answer: smear both sides, now that the Bushites are going out of power?

This is just A GUESS--as to what the London Times' motive MIGHT BE--in suddenly deciding to support a truth-teller. There is something selective, in her disclosures, that suits their fascist/war profiteering purposes in some way.

Another possibility is white-washing, as we saw with the 9/11 Commission (and so many other events!). The truth reaches a "critical mass" point, among the people, and the war profiteers have to deal with it, in some way, to keep the lid on rebellion, and prop up their delusionary narratives--so they permit an "investigation"--but one that comes nowhere near the true truth and that protects the real culprits, and, above all, protects the traitorous, thieving corporate moneyed class ("organized money," as FDR called it) who are behind them.

Possible smear of Democrats is a guess. All I'm saying is this: When a war-collusive, fascist source like the London Times does something like this, we should NOT automatically assume that they somehow "got religion" about their duty to the public as news purveyors. We should assume the opposite--that they have a bad motive. And we need to ask: What could it be?

And this will be true as well, if the 5 billionaire fascist CEOs who control all news and opinion in this country decide to run the story here. What is their motive?

Cuz if we don't, then we are suckers.

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The South American connection:

I have a theory about the Dark Lords' protection of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld (et al) from any serious investigation and prosecution, and it has to do with Drummond Coal, Occidental Petroleum, Exxon Mobile, Bechtel Corp., Chiquita, the World Bank/IMF and other global corporate predators' interests in South America. There is evidence now that Rumsfeld is personally involved in the matter*, and, indeed has Oil War II all mapped out, with focus on the Andes region, where all the oil is, and where leftist governments have been elected, over the last half decade, who think that their oil profits ought to be used to bootstrap South America's vast poor population, and who are strongly allied with each other (i.e., Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Argentina), and with other leftist governments in the region (Brazil, Uruguay, Nicaragua, and, to some extent, Chile). (Note: big oil find in Argentina, just announced this week.) (Venezuela and Ecuador have big oil reserves; Bolivia big gas reserves.)

It's my theory that the Bushite blackmailers are being blackmailed--that is, they are under some pressure to regain global corporate control in South America, at least in the oil-rich Andes region, before Bush's term is up. See:

"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html

Among other things, Rumsfeld says that we must get rid of the remaining "checks and balances" in our own government (i.e., that fusty old Congress), in order to "act swiftly" in support of "friends and allies" in South America. Rumsfeld and the Bushites don't have any "friends and allies" in South America, except for the murdering, drug trafficking and highly corrupt government of Colombia, the corrupt "free traders" in Peru, and assorted fascist thugs and coup plotters in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina and other countries. So he is talking about "swift" U.S. military intervention in support of fascist coup plotters and their paramilitaries and militias in peaceful and very democratic countries with leftist governments.

It seems nuts, yeah. But when did that ever stop Donald Rumsfeld? Whatever happens, he and his cabal profit from chaos and war. And if they add a few oil acquisitions, and rip South America back open to "free trade" and the World Bank loan sharks, to keep their corporate masters happy, all the better. You wonder why this man is not in jail? And how he has avoided investigation (let alone prosecution), and his cohorts Bush and Cheney have avoided impeachment, prosecution and being strung up from Washington DC lampposts--with a Democratic Congress in power?

I think it's South America. The Dark Lords are pressuring the Democrats (in whatever nice little ways they do that--kneecapping, blackmail, threats against their families?)--to lay off Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld (et al), until they "do" South America--at least get Oil War II started (my guess, first in Bolivia), so that, whatever Democrat gets Diebolded into the White House, is saddled with it. (TWO 'Vietnams,' not just one--actually three including Afghanistan).

And so, the "dogs" of the Abdul Kahn "nuclear Wal-Mart"--and other whistleblowers on monstrous Bushite crimes--are being kept at bay, and held in reserve, and used to blackmail Rumsfeld/Cheney/Bush (et al), to achieve one more global corporate predator goal: destroying the democracy movement in South America, and re-opening South America to rape and ruin. The Bushits have basically "lost" South America, while they pursued their obsession with Mideast Oil (and Far East opium). They have to correct that failure before they leave office.

And, of course, Rumsfeld & Co. are not averse to this goal. But the risks they've taken for the Dark Lords thus far are considerable, and restoring fascist rule in South America might have been put on the back burner (for later instigation by private armies, using the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars these bastards have stolen in Iraq and squirreled away). I think it's now been front-burnered, and is imminent. There is every sign of it. The motivator--blackmail--is a theory as to why it's so urgent.


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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:14 PM
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26. Another reason to be suspicious. They may be setting us up for a big fall. Maybe expose that this
story is a big fake. This would take the steam out of us to a level.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:05 PM
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28. Interesting, maybe we should watch for...

signs of any BFEE connections to "right-wing" SA drug cartels, in the same sense that there were once connections to the right-wing Muslim Brotherhood.
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Fainter Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:18 PM
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29. You Are Right To Be Circumspect...
and I have no answer for why it is that one of Rupert's papers is pushing the Sibel story. If you recall, it was Fix News that aired Carl Cameron's four-part expose on Israeli spying and possible foreknowledge of 9-11. Fox did that and my head is still spinning. However, with the exception of Lantos, one of the faces in Sibel's gallery of rogues, I fail to see, based on how far the story has been developed to this point, how it can possibly add up to a smear of the Democrats. It looks to me like Sibel is mounting an in-your-face offensive against the neoconservative high command, to which I can only sit back and say go girl, go. But we would be wise to let the chips fall where they may. Sibel has said that this network of corruption and spying spans at least two administrations, including Uncle Bill's, and if an honest-to-god PUBLIC investigation of her charges burns Democrats as well as Republicans I say good riddance and don't let the cell door at Guantanamo hit you on your back as it clangs shut forever, TRAITORS! Sibel's War is our war, the good fight against secret government. You're not necessarily wrong that the Times' reports are the first salvo in Rupert's master plan to smear the Democrats, but you adduce no evidence to support this suspicion. As I see it, our Democratic controlled congress is covering itself in shame by not holding hearings on her very credible charges, despite Waxman's promises to give her time before his committee. This shameful omission by the Democrats just adds fuel to her credible fear that the entire government, both parties, is corrupt. Alas, they are no more more corrupt than our do-nothing media.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:49 AM
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24. thanks.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:21 PM
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27. Why not get the real story out much sooner then later?
:shrug:
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307 MMS Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:17 PM
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30. DSM
Oh, you mean like the coverage the MSM finally gave the Downing Street memo? That coverage?:sarcasm:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:47 AM
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33. Break the fucking dam already.
We're ready for the info you have. Have been since we first heard about you on 60 minutes. It's 2008 now.

Spill. The. Beans.
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