No matter how evil & treasonous bush is, remember, Clinton broke his wedding vows.

[Philosoraptor]

That guy that just called into cspan, that republican idiot reminded us all that bush may not be the greatest president we've ever had, but Bill Clinton broke his wedding vows.

Just remember that folks, when you are trying to dredge up every little mistake or mis-statement and attempt to taint the legacy of w, he may have started an unnecessary war, he may have gotten 4 thousand of our kids killed for nothing in Iraq, and he may have been responsible for making torture cool again, and he may have used the constitution for toilet paper, and he may have robbed us blind and totally fucked America forever, and he may have exploited the dead of nine eleven, and he may have chosen not to warn us about nine eleven, he never, never never never never cheated on his wife while in office and then lied about it to protect his mistress, that single act of adultery is historically, morally and patriotically, unforgivable.

[devilgrrl]

1. I agree! People need to get their priorities in order!

:evilgrin:

[Philosoraptor]

2. I was really shocked when the repubs didn't hang him from a tree.

He DID have it coming afterall.

[devilgrrl]

5. I think it's appalling that he chooses to cheat with leagally adult women...

what a perv!

[Rhiannon12866]

3. K&R. Great reminder! Thanks!

Reminds me of when Bill Clinton was interviewed, ages ago, by Jon Stewart and Stewart asked him, given the egregious things that Bush* has done to this country, doesn't it make him really angry that they made such a huge deal out of "Travelgate?!":grr:

[Vickers]

4. When is JimmyJeff GannonGuckert going to write a book?

:shrug:

[Rhiannon12866]

9. Don't you mean James Dale Guckert?

One of my most successful posts on this board was when I totally lost it while listening to CNN's early morning show and Carol Costello got very upset at the criticism that Gannon was getting because, after all, he was a "fellow journalist..." I urged people to e-mail CNN...:grr:

[Philosoraptor]

10. Sex with a male prostitute in the oval office isn't actually adultery.

Adultery is of course between a man and a woman.

[Rhiannon12866]

13. Thanks for setting that straight, LOL!

Anything else would be totally unacceptable...:evilgrin:

[enid602]

6. Hill

And don't let his wife off the hook, either!!!! Sure, she does have specific policies in mind to counter the devastation of 7 years of W's wreckage, but she has the gall to be energetic, perservering, and yes, even shrill!!!! She might be polarizing!

[sam sarrha]

7. W was arrested after he was married for being drunk and stoned and breaking into the home, thru a

window at night, of an old girl friend in Texas.. it was her parents home too.. he was probably blacked out.

i an sure that is the incident that caused his wife to give him the sobriety ultimatum.

i doubt he actually had the rumored affair with Condi, unless she is bisexual...:rofl:

[Virginia Dare]

17. I think those stories about Dubya and Condi were planted by the admin..

as well as Condi and any other man for that matter, as a counter to her obvious long-term relationship with another woman. I guess in a repubs eyes, adultery is a lesser sin than homosexuality.

[Philosoraptor]

18. Ladies with ladies is as American as apple pie.

It's the boys with boys that sends repubs all into a tizzy.

Why even the vice president's daughter likes girls! She even married one and they have a kid!

[Virginia Dare]

25. Yes, but that was NONE OF ANYBODY'S DAMN BUSINESS!

only Democrats' sex lives are open to discussion ad nauseum.

[Xenotime]

8. Oh please. The two don't compare.

[devilgrrl]

11. Go tell that to the 45% of hardcore Christian Coalition - what they think matters!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4215690&mesg_id=4215704

:sarcasm:

[LibDemAlways]

12. The hatred that repukes have for the Clintons is

absolutely irrational.

I know it's a cliche here on DU, but Bush could eat a baby on the WH lawn, and the knuckledraggers would find a way to put a positive spin on it. And, if Bush was caught with Jeff Gannon in the Lincoln Bedroom, that, too, would be forgiven and quickly forgotten. Some of it is the media not focusing on the crimes of the Bush Syndicate. Some of it is the sheer stupidity of repukes. All in all it makes the US look like a backward country populated by morons.

[Rhiannon12866]

15. You're absolutely right!

My mother goes totally bonkers whenever either of the Clintons appear on the news, and that includes when the Big Dog was still president!:eyes:

And when I first joined DU, just about five years ago, I also began lurking on FR and that's all that they were talking about back then, hatred for both of the Clintons and the fear that she was going to run for president sometime in the future. I wouldn't dare look at FR now; they must be in total meltdown... They truly are obsessed.:crazy:

[jcla]

14. While Bill was impeached for adultery...Shrub

is getting off scott free. Keep reminding people Phil! Lying about getting us into war is far more serious to the country then lying to your country about an affair.

[enid602]

16. again

I suppose that Bill's detractors are going to say it's time again for a 'feel good' president.

[opihimoimoi]

19. The STEPFORD REPUBLICANS have been brainwashed into sucking for the BJ Crap

Negative Framing/Steering by the Master Pubs worked all too well.

Conservatives in general love this shit....

and will, on the other hand, forgive Bush for all his mistakes/blunders/transgressions/crimes.

[Poiuyt]

20. So did John McCain. So did Rudy Giuliani

[Philosoraptor]

21. So did henry hyde, newt gingrich, bob livingston, & countless other repubs

[Poiuyt]

22. I was just referring to the Repubs that were running for prez

But yes, they are a hypocritical bunch.

[Virginia Dare]

26. Ah, those were just youthful indescretions..

and you forgot the dark lord, who inconveniently shot somebody at his girlfriend's ranch recently.

[NewJeffCT]

23. It wasn't that long ago

I saw a letter to the editor about how Clinton dropped his pants and shamed America before the world. I kid you not.

[midnight]

24. Hey: I don't care that Bill broke his wedding vows... If Hilliary does,

let her take him to court. Now those who break the vows of the constitution,I care about. Bush needs to be taken to court via the impeachment route.

[LibraLiz1973]

27. I came in to this thread all pissed off and ready to kick ass and take names

I am so glad it was not as the title suggested!!

The person who called in and said that is an idiot

[dpbrown]

28. I don't know about that... how did Bush get his face abrasion from that gay male prostitute?

Jeff Gannon - one look at Bush and you know Jeff's a "top."

:rofl:

[swoop]

29. He did much more than that.

He lied under oath and--most importantly--he broke the fiduciary responsibility he had to a lower-positioned paid subordinate that he had as her superior and as the most powerful man in the world. Just like doctors shouldn't sleep with their patients, CEO's shouldn't sleep with their secretaries, and professors shouldn't sleep with their students, what part of manipulative, exploitative relationship do you not understand?

I'm really tired of reading that 'it was only a bj', 'it was only about sex', 'it was just between Hillary and him'. NO IT WASN'T. He exploited someone in a lesser-position who was under his authority for his own selfish purposes. It speaks to his character, his morals, his judgment, his business acumen, his common sense, and self-restraint. That he then lied about it under oath, and tried to get others to lie, as well, addresses this issue further. THIS WAS NOT 'JUST ABOUT SEX'.

[blondeatlast]

30. W only traded Sammy Sosa... (Self righteous much, are ya?!)

:eyes:

[swoop]

31. It's not self-righteous to have standards.

And I don't believe powerful men should be given a free pass to exploit the vulnerable, paid female subordinate below them. It speaks to a cold, ethic-less, manipulative, selfishness of personality (and can open up the President to all manner of trouble and blackmail) that we don't need.

I want a better man or woman than that as my President. I am bothered MUCH more by those who would give him a free pass, or just blow off what he did.

Would you object to it if a Republican president had done it and lied about it to your face? Would you object to it if it happened to your 21 year-old daughter? It's either wrong--no matter who does it--or, if you excuse it, you'd have to excuse it in everyone. I'm not going to do that.

[blondeatlast]

33. Republican had done it? No, it's none of my biz. My 21 year old daughter? No,

I wouldn't object--she'd be perfectly aware of what she was getting into--and at 21 she'd be an adult. (I'm a parent, btw)

You seemed to have entirely missed the point of the OP. I'm assuming you AREN'T okay with W lying us into a war, torturing human beings, bombing civilians while making his oil company buddies gluttonously wealthy--I'm certaIinly not okay with W's behavior, especially as he is doing it in the name of my country. Yes, I have standards as well. I don't think bloodshed for profit is moral...

[krabigirl]

37. Wait, even if it's consensual? I don't get how that's exploitation.

[swoop]

39. Sigh...

I can't believe someone still has to explain how someone in a higher-up position, who has authority over someone in a lesser role, can use their authority and power over them for their own special 'needs' and selfish reasons. It's an abuse of power.

Someone, in this case a man (the most powerful man in the world) could use the prestige of his position to pressure a subordinate for sex. That subordinate, in order to do well at her job/ not get in trouble/with a desire to please a higher up, could give in. Once the sex deed is done, the higher up can blackmail his subordinate for more sex, threat to use his power to fire her, ruin her reputation (which was done), give her a bad work evaluation, ruin her long-term job prospects (which also has been done) and affect her livlihood for many years to come. That power to do those things can keep the higher up person in a relationship where he is using the lower down person. It's unfair and unequal.

While the lower down person also has the ability to perhaps ruin the reputation or blackmail the higher up, it's almost never an equal power; it is Monica Lewinski that has lost her reputation and livlihood as a result of Monicagate. Bill Clinton continued to make huge sums speaking, selling his books, traveling on behalf of agencies etc. He was not brought down simply because of the sex he had with her--he was brought down because he lied about it under oath and tried to get others to lie as well (perjury and suborning perjury.)

As the higher up, whether it is a doctor to his patient, a professor to his student, CEO to his secretary--or President to his intern--they have the duty to protect the lower down person from such abuse. The law understands that a lower down person may not always be in a position to say 'no' to a sexual advance. The threat of losing one's job, being blackballed career-wise, receiving bad evaluations etc. is a heavy burden--and, in this case, it was NOT Monica's to bear. President Clinton bore the DUTY to protect her from any manipulation by a high up--including, and especially, from himself.

He failed at that most egregiously.

[krabigirl]

35. My husband broke fuduciary responsibility...with me! lol

He is an exec and I was an "underling" in the marketing dept, a different area, but still a peon. We are now married with a kid, so I'm glad rules can be broken.

My husband didn't "exploit" me, but by your description, I guess he did. lol

[cgrindley]

32. I see no need for the creation of an artificial binary relationship between Clinton and Bush

Bush is the very worst president to have ever served two terms

Clinton is the second or perhaps third worst husband to have been elected president for two terms

[PCIntern]

34. Excellent!

:hi:

[blondeatlast]

36. Perfect!

:thumbsup:

[cgrindley]

38. Both Jefferson and FDR were worse husbands than Clinton

perhaps being a shitty husband actually makes one a better president?