In tonight's debate, Hillary promises "not to leave 15 million people out of health care."

[Dawggie]

Verbatim: "If you don't start out trying to get Universal Health Care, we know and our members of congress know you'll never get there. If a Democrat doesn't stand for universal health care that includes every single American you can see the consequences of what that will mean. I think that it's imperative that we have plans, as both John and I do, that from the very beginning say that, "You know what, everybody's got to be covered." There's only three ways of doing it. You can have a single payer system, you can require employers or you can have individual responsibility.

My plan combines employers and individual responsibility while maintaining Medicare and Medicaid."

I think that the whole idea of universal health care is such a core Democratic principal that I am willing to go to the mat for it. I've been there before, I'll be there again, I am not giving in, I am not giving up, and I'm not going to start out leaving fifteen million Americans out of health care."

Dear, I think you have become disconnected.

[Kittycat]

I love how she gets to decide what "affordable" means before fining us.

Because you know... If the uninsured COULD AFFORD healthcare - chances are they would have it.

[papau]

7. Since the cost after subsidy starts at zero with subsidy up to 3 time poverty - with premium for

lowest cost plan defined as a percentage of gross wages - it is hard to see how it is "un-affordable" -

[Kittycat]

16. 3x's poverty is still not making ends meat for a family of 4, where I live.

[Renew Deal]

1. And she won't begin to not leave them out until her second term.

:banghead:

[Debi]

2. She's going to mandate that we buy health insurance

and if we can't afford it.....:shrug:???

Universal health insurance....keeps on giving to BIG INSURANCE.

[Bluerthanblue]

10. THAT IS THE talking point that needs to be repeated- MANDITORY

UNIVERSAL healthcare isn't "single-payer" care.

It isn't what many people are thinking it is.

Obama's plan is very similar, but he doesn't mandate that people have coverage.

Many don't understand the difference.

[BearSquirrel2]

13. Hillary vs. Romney

Yeah, Hillary will have a great time debating Romney with this little talking point.

Hillary: I plan on leaving no person behind.
Romney: That's exactly what I already did in Massachusetts, how is your plan any different?
Hillary: I plan on adding more tax incentives for employers to insure.
Romney: I already did that.

The only thing Hillary could possibly do is alienate herself to liberals in this discussion and keep them from coming to the polls.

The health insurance companies are a parasite on the system. We need a single payer network. Health insurance companies can still exist to a limited degree as contractors and supplemental providers.

[Debi]

15. Not health care - health insurance

she's going to mandate that we buy health insurance then what?

[Breeze54]

3. Aren't there more than 15 million people in the USA?

:P

[Atman]

4. Apparently she's willing to leave the other 32,000,000 out though.

47,000,000 Americans are without health insurance.

Who are these 15,000,000 people she wants to make sure are covered? Her $1 and $2 donors?

.

[Dawggie]

6. Ka-Ching! Give the man a Kewpie Doll!

[papau]

8. The 15 million is the net of the 47 m uninsured and the 32 m Obama believes would be

covered by his plan via "choice". It is in effect an Obama number.

[BeHereNow]

11. Nah, the 15,000,000 are the "guest workers" cleaning her friend$ houses.

Fuck the others, they're all heading for the
debtors prison civilian work camps.
They owe their souls to the company store.

BHN

[cynatnite]

5. What are the chances of getting any plan past congress and made into law?

No matter what Dem it is...my prediction is a none to zero chance.

As much as I think universal health care should be a fact in this country...our system is designed to make it impossible to happen.

[Hoof Hearted]

9. you're probably right - we shouldn't even try.

:sarcasm:

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. That's why we can't afford these half-assed half measures.

We need to simply overturn the old system, replace it lock, stock and barrel with Kucinich's real universal health care system. None of this kowtowing to the corporations. If they have ANY say in it, they will destroy it.

When Britain went to their system it took just 24 months. And they didn't have computerized records and social security identifying every citizen. There is no reason we can't do it.

[Defends Reason]

14. Oprah on UHC

Oprah had Michael Moore on her program to discuss universal health care.

It's very informative:

Part 1 of 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Z_b_hHS70

[warren pease]

17. More tinkering around the edges...

Health care doesn't have a damn thing to do with medical insurance.

Health care is what happens when patients and health care professionals interact to diagnose and treat a medical condition or injury.

Health insurance is the protection money you have to pay the middleman to enable this transaction and keep you out of bankruptcy court.


Single-payer means:

One nation, one payer
Everybody in, nobody out
No exclusions for pre-existing conditions
No doctor or hospital bills
No corporate meddling in medical decisions
No denial of coverage
No hospital bills
No deductibles
No co-pays
No in-network
No out-of-network
No corporate profits
No more medical bankruptcies


Anything less is a fraud and should be angrily rejected. 15 million my ass; there's at least 47 million uninsured now, and another 30 or 40 million underinsured. That's getting close to a third of the population. What happens to them? Do they just continue to get sacrificed on the sacred altar of privatization and profitability? How can anyone vote for this third-rate garbage? She should be going quietly nuts living with the reality that this is the best her corporate sponsors will allow. Instead, she's apparently so removed from actual life that she seems proud of this proposal.

She should get her ass kicked from South Carolina to California for touting this cynical scam. But since mass media has already decided who the candidates will be, the only asses kicked will be the usual progressive whipping boys and their "radical" ideas. And we'll remain the only advanced country in which health care is a privilege rather than a right.

WE'RE NUMBER ONE! USA! USA! USA!


wp

[Vinca]

18. None of the top 3 has a decent health plan.

All, in one way or another, will be serving us up to big insurance on a platter. The only difference in Hillary's plan is that she'll fine you if you don't agree to be exploited.