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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:23 AM
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The Green Bay Packers are communists!
http://www.waxingamerica.com/2008/01/green-bay-packe.html

Based in a city of 100,000, the Packers are owned by 112,000 shareholders and the stock is worthless.

Packer stock has never paid a dividend, it cannot appreciate in value, and anyone who buys a share does it for sentiment, not their retirement.


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But if you asked Mark Belling, Charlie Sykes, and the rest of the free market New York Giant fans, they would tell you that, at best, the structure is stupid, at worst it is un-American.

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Right wing talk radio has its ideology and its fanatical adherence to an uncompromising adherence to a free market system gone amuck except when it comes to showing some backbone and telling Wisconsin that the Packers should be sold to the highest bidder.

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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:27 AM
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1. Bratwurst communists
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:10 AM
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13. the best
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:29 AM
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2. they didn't ask this Giants fan
I think its great. I can't wait for this game, but I would never talk bad about a great, historic franchise like the Packers. I surely don't hate them like I hate the Cowboys.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:31 AM
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3. I agree 100%
And I think that the only thing better than the Giants in the Super Bowl would be Brett Favre vs. the Patriots.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:53 AM
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7. does your name
refer to Jim Finn?
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:54 AM
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8. Nah. Neil Finn
A musician. Leader of the band Crowded House. Although I was a Jim Finn fan, too.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:28 AM
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17. I thought it was a reference to Finland.
Yep, yep I did.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:32 AM
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20. You tell em sweet smell em, I don't have the nerve.
I like Green Bay but not as much as I dislike the Cowgirls and Jerry Jones.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:32 AM
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4. The Patriots were called commies by Rush when they started coming on field
as a team instead being named individually. Now everyone does it.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:34 AM
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5. Commie Patriots?
woah
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:35 AM
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6. Yep - Pats started the whole "team is more important than individual" thing
It's been a real revelation for the NFL too. Imagine if we could actually be a nation of "we the people"?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:58 AM
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9. imagine if a team was owned by a city instead of a billionaire
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 01:00 AM by fishnfla
your individual
our shareholders
a real revelation
a real revolution
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:02 AM
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10. It's coming one day, for all teams...
Or do you believe the present system of sports team ownership and business model would survive the collapse of the present financial system?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:04 AM
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11. I think that is great
I am jealous that we don't have that situation here. At least Kraft is a local and seems like a decent person.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:21 AM
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16. That's for wimps. Real football involves a wealthy owner jacking up parking and ticket prices
while putting a shitty product on the field.

Go Chiefs!
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:40 AM
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21. Please, please don't say you're going "Ron Paul" on us.
"a real revolution"

I am so sick of the Ron Paul Revolution signs. Loons.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:31 AM
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19. "We chickenhawk republicons see things differently." - Rush Limbaugh
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:34 AM by SpiralHawk
"To us republicon homelanders, outsourcing jobs and supporting an AWOL coke-sniffer are the highest forms of our so-called patriotism. But do not ask us to serve in America's armed forces. We republicons take the Wide Stance, and are confirmed draft-dodging Chickenhawks who believe services to America is for the - smirk - little people. Smirk."

- Rush "I used an ass pimple to dodge the draft" Limbaugh

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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:06 AM
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12. Damn. Where's McCarthy when you need him?
Seriously....don't conservatives have anything better to bitch about?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:15 AM
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14. Subject: Fw: An Article of Interest For All You Packer Fans... (great email about this issue)



Subject: Fw: An Article of Interest For All You Packer Fans...




I thought you may find this of interest....being that it was written for the Seattle paper, prior to last Saturday's game. Keep the faith!


What makes Packers special?
Posted By William Wenzel

Seattle Post Intelligencer GREEN BAY, Wis. --

It's easy to hate the New York Yankees if you're a Boston Red Sox fan, and vice versa. The same goes for the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins, Michigan and Ohio State and those originators of the shotgun formation, the Hatfields and McCoys.
But who hates the Green Bay Packers?
Steeped in tradition and often viewed through a prism of sepia-tone nostalgia, the Packers have succeeded against all odds in a tiny and remote market, in a 50-year-old (albeit renovated) stadium with aluminum bench seats, in an era of unfettered free agency and corporate greed.
OK, if you're a Seahawks fan, you're not feeling all warm and fuzzy about Brett Favre and Al Harris right about now. "We want the ball and we're going to score!" might be old news, but the sting lingers.
Really, though, do you hate the Packers?
Not if you know anything about the history of the National Football League. Not if you've seen those grainy images of the 1967 "Ice Bowl" and Bart Starr's fateful quarterback sneak on the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field. Not if you admire the principles on which Vince Lombardi built a dynasty.
Not if you pull for the underdog.
In Wisconsin, there is no other option. You are born into Packerdom here. Your great-grandfather cheered for Curly Lambeau and Don Hutson, your grandpa for Paul Hornung and Willie Wood, your dad for James Lofton and Lynn Dickey. Every kid on your block owns a No. 4 jersey.
What makes the Packers special? Start with the fact that there are
112,015 owners, the vast majority of whom hold one share of stock. Formed in the NFL's primordial mist in 1919, the Packers became a non-profit entity four years later and remain the only publicly owned team among the major professional sports.
The most recent stock sale, in 1998, netted 106,000 new "owners" who paid $200 per share (and sent $24 million straight to the team's bottom line) for certificates that are basically worthless. The stock never pays dividends or appreciates in value. But the emotional investment is priceless. When general manager Ted Thompson signs a free agent, the fans can thump their chests and say, "I helped bring that guy to Green Bay." And it's true.
Of course, Bob Harlan, who has run the Packers for 19 years, first as president and CEO and more recently as chairman of the board, has a stake in the team. He, too, owns exactly one share of stock.
"I paid $25 for my share when I became president," said Harlan, who is retiring after the postseason. "When fans call me, they start out by saying, 'Bob, I'm a fan and a shareholder.' They always point out that they're shareholders. I say, 'Well, I am, too, so let's talk.' "
Did we mention that Harlan answers his own telephone? There is no administrative assistant to run interference, no automated maze to negotiate. You've got a beef with the injured cornerback or the price of tickets, you go straight to the top dog.
The fact that the Packers can even exist in a city of 100,000 is a minor miracle, due in equal parts to fan loyalty throughout the state and revenue sharing in the NFL. Los Angeles can't support a team but this little frozen outpost can? It's one of the mysteries of the universe.
It helps that not much ever happens in Green Bay, other than what occurs at 1265 Lombardi Ave. Lambeau Field -- notice, no naming rights -- is the city's corporate and social epicenter, its source of civic pride, its very heart and soul.
The nearest NCAA Division I football team is 2 1/2 hours away at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and Milwaukee is 115 miles to the south, so the Packers are the only game in town.
Their reach extends north into Michigan's Upper Peninsula, south into Chicago Bears turf and west clear to the Dakotas (the team had a 40-year head start on the Minnesota Vikings). And that doesn't count the fans who have relocated or the ones Harlan likens to the "Notre Dame subway alumni."
"People call me and say, 'I'm a lifelong Packers fan and someday I'd love to see Lambeau Field,' " Harlan said. "They've never even been here."
On game days, the far-flung Cheeseheads converge on Green Bay and fill the Lambeau parking lot hours before kickoff. First-time visitors are blown away by the passion, creativity and dedication of the tailgaters. There's nothing quite like the smell of 10,000 bratwursts sizzling on 1,000 grills and the sight of footballs spiraling through 10-degree air.
The Packers-Seahawks game will mark the 268th consecutive sellout at Lambeau, including playoffs. That's every single game since 1960. The waiting list for season tickets is at 76,800. With an average of 70 fans per year giving up their seats, the guy at the end of the list will have to wait 1,000 years, give or take a few decades, for his name to come up.
Season-ticket holders live in all 50 states and several foreign countries, including Japan. Domo arrigato.
The obsession with the team is such that the 10 p.m. TV newscasts in Milwaukee and Green Bay are dominated by Packers developments. The long snapper has an ingrown toenail? That leads the sports report. The price of beer is going up at Lambeau? That's the top story.
Brett Favre retires? We don't even want to think about that one.
The Packers have won 12 championships, more than any other NFL franchise, and three Super Bowl titles. The team has sent 21 players to the Hall of Fame. Green Bay city streets are named after former players and coaches, including Mike Holmgren.
But it's not about all that.
It's about a unique relationship between a professional sports franchise and its fans.
It's about people feeling they're a part of something special, something unique, something good.
The Packers don't need throwback jerseys to evoke their glorious past.
In all the ways that count, it's still 1965 here. And always will be.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:12 AM
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15. So What?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:30 AM
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18. i knew it.
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