Should HRC lose her union endorsements for trying to stop workers voting in NV?

[Ken Burch]

Poll question: Should HRC lose her union endorsements for trying to stop workers voting in NV?

And workers of color at that.

And should the mostly-white NEA apologize for trying to stop workers of color from voting?

[sunonmars]

1. What a stupid fucking question

[Ken Burch]

3. I'll take that as a "no".

And thanks for posting, Mr. President.

[msongs]

2. oh dear, once again no proof of your assertion. nt

[Ken Burch]

4. That's what the suit against the "at large" caucus sites was about.

The Culinary Workers(who are basically workers of color)weren't going to get to vote without those sites being in place.

The NEA(almost all white)wanted to make sure they didn't, because the Culinary workers weren't pro-HRC.

Therefore, an attempt to stop workers of color from voting, in the name of giving a white candidate an unfair advantage.

[sunonmars]

6. Well how about

letting unions basically control the caucus site and the workers forced to caucus in front of the union reps twisting their arms to vote for their candidate.

Is that still pretty for you!

[Ken Burch]

13. Your description is false..

Nobody was going to be suppressed, and the Democratic Party, not the union, was going to be running the sites. It would have been a victory for no one but racists and reactionaries if the "at-large" sites were stopped. Nothing positive was going to come for it, and a lot of people wouldn't have had the chance to vote.

[JuniperLea]

8. Your first point is bullshit...

Employers are supposed to let their workers leave to vote!!!

Your second point is bullshit too, unless you can prove yourself to be a mind-reader.

Since points one and two are bullshit, your conclusion is too.

[Ken Burch]

16. If my second point is false, explain this:

Why was the suit to block the "at-large" sites filed only AFTER the Culinary Workers endorsed Obama?

[JuniperLea]

29. How long after?

And how long does the process take? And who is noted as the person or organization that filed? Hmmm???

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[Winterblues]

35. And how do the Clinton's figure into this?

Just because another Union (the nurses) decided to file a suit how does it have anything to do with the Clinton's. I think you are trying to smear the Clinton's with nothing to back up your assertions. Show me some evidence that puts the Clintons in this or explain why you choose to smear them in this way..

[JuniperLea]

5. A better question might be...

Is it fair to have a voting facility come to one set of people? Or, why does the rest of NV have to go out of their way to vote and these people do not?

I think the casino owners are greedy little bastards and they are making a big deal out of this instead of giving their workers time to go vote like they are supposed to do!!!

[aquart]

7. For a completely legal action taken by OTHER PEOPLE?

And I am so pleased that the Obama supporters believe all "people of color" think and want the same thing. After all, how can you tell them apart?

Let's see... there are white people and then there are..."people of color"...all the rest in a great big invisible lump.

But it's good that you feel you can speak for every one of them. I'm sure they'll show their appreciation.

[Ken Burch]

9. The NEA is a white and white collar union. It has little if any minority representation.

Doesn't it bother you that a union with that makeup tried to interfere in the voting rights of another union with a different makeup.

You can't defend the NEA suit and still be progressive.

[AX10]

10. Exactly!

This action was not started by Clinton.

[Ken Burch]

11. I'm NOT an Obama supporter. I oppose actions that make it harder for

people of color to vote. And you and I both know there was no chance of getting the casino owners to let their workers to take time off to vote. Companies with minority workforces never agree to it.

[JuniperLea]

12. I'm a color!!! And it isn't white!!!!

I'm pink, dammit!!!

Casper the fucking ghost is white, and unless you are albino, no one is white.

I'm so sick of racial divides and the nomenclature that drives it! On my kids' school cards, in the section marked "race", I would either write "three legged" or "Anglo-Saxon" or "Celtic".

I'm sick of this bullshit.

[pampango]

14. I used to think that it was conservatives who bemoaned "identity politics"

but I am starting to get a feel for what they were talking about.

While I am an Obama (1a) and Hillary (1b) supporter, I almost wish for the "good ol'" days of having white guys run against each other. :dilemma: At least then, discussion dealt with policy positions and character questions.

[Ken Burch]

15. Enough already with the semantics. This is about stopping

African American and Latino American workers from voting on Saturday. NEA members don't NEED the at-large sites(although I believe anybody would be allowed to vote at them if they wished)because the overwhelming majority of NEA members have Saturday off.

This isn't about the casino owners. And it isn't about anything progressive. It's the equivalent of Sam Gompers personally stopping A. Philip Randolph from voting.

[Richard Steele]

17. Exactly so. nm

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[Richard Steele]

36. Tell it to the Judge, pink person. nm

[blondeatlast]

27. Exactly. nt

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[JuniperLea]

30. Enough already about keeping people from voting!!!

It's a damn lie!!! Every state has laws pertaining to employees being allowed to leave their place of employment in order to vote!!! Nevada's laws are much like California's, and MOST states have the same laws in this matter!!

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Any registered voter may absent himself from his place of employment at a time to be designated by the employer for a sufficient time to vote, if it is impracticable for him to vote before or after his hours of employment (must be liberally construed to achieve its purpose of ensuring that employees have an opportunity to vote). Such voter may not, because of such absence, be discharged, disciplined or penalized, nor shall any deduction be made from his usual salary or wages by reason of such absence. Application for leave of absence to vote shall be made to the employer or person authorized to grant such leave prior to the day of the election.


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[blondeatlast]

34. Anyone who's ever negotiated LV Strip area traffic ANY day of the week

ought to applaud a sensible move by the NV Democratic Party. I've done it many times and it's a clusterfuck wrapped in a nightmare 24/7. It literally NEVER lets up, not for a moment.

The Party was right--and the timing of that lawsuit INTENSELY suspicious.

I hate to pick sides when it comes to a union, but the CWU settlement was more than fair, and if the teacher's union wants to negotiate something with the party concerning the caucus, I welcome them to do so. This is sour grapes.

[sunonmars]

18. how about changing the poll to......

Should Obama lose his Union endorsements for endorsing the union busting bastard known as Reagan.

[rAVES]

20. endorsing a dead man huh.. Ive heard it all.

[Perry Logan]

19. "Obama should lose his Union endorsements for endorsing the union-busting bastard known as Reagan."

Well said.

[sunonmars]

21. its about putting it into perspective

I'm fucking furious these people are aiding Obama who just dissed Bill Clinton's legacy and lumped him in the same breath as Nixon and then endorse Reagans supposed movement of "change" that fucked so many of us over.

Total Bullshit, i hope this really brings the arrogant git down.

I do not want someone at the head of our who thinks like this.

[Ken Burch]

37. I don't want either of them. My concern here is with vote suppression

And really, BOTH of them could fairly be called "arrogant gits" depending on the situation.

[pampango]

22. HRC is not my #1 choice, but that is a stupid question.

She, and Bill, play hard-ball politics better than most (not sure that this is meant as a compliment). She just got caught playing hard ball with the wrong group. If union still want to endorse her, so be it.

[deacon]

23. Yeah, because i'm damn sick of rove tactics that the clintons are using. n/t

[Perry Logan]

24. Except the accusations of Rovean tactics are false--i.e., Republican-style dirty politics.

[deacon]

25. It went from hillary running to the clintons running, who's the boss- i like bill, he was right for

the time and place, but this has melted down into rovian bullshit- they chose the path, and i don't find it hard to see.

[Perry Logan]

26. Pretty much every accusation made at DU against Hillary's campaign has been debunked.

This is my observation. Just look at the threads. There are invariably several excellent debunkings of every accusation--debunkings which the Obama people simply ignore.

This is classic Republican politics--make up false accusations about your opponent...then repeat them endlessly.

[blondeatlast]

28. Sad to see unions fighting each other. I strongly support the CWU and the NVparty,

but no to both as it would weaken both unions.

The matter needs to drop quietly but I'm a pragmatist and I know it won't.