I'll vote for the Democratic nominee, in November. Period. Will you?

[Fridays Child]

[TwilightZone]

1. Yes

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Yes

I'm an anti-Repubican. I can't vote for them, and it would be anathema to my personal philosophy to stay home.
The Professor

[Hawaii Hiker]

46. Same here...I hate Republicans (namely the religious right) so

no way do I stay home no matter who the Democratic nominee is!...

[TechBear_Seattle]

3. Posts like this are pointless

Any posts that disagree with this position, no matter how well reasoned or logically based, get deleted.

[Dhalgren]

Recommend your reply!

:thumbsup:

[Fridays Child]

12. If you think this thread is pointless, why would you kick it by replying to it?

:eyes:

[TechBear_Seattle]

56. Because I oppose loyalty oaths (and posts and polls) on general purpose

I feel obligated to respond, otherwise you and others would probably keep on posting loyalty oaths and soliciting echoes from the chamber.

Such posts as yours do not build party unity, they enforce mindless conformity. I would certainly hope that mindless conformity is not what the Democratic Party is all about.

[leftchick]

65. psst

I believe your hope is futile.

[TechBear_Seattle]

71. "Hope is futile. You will be assimilated into the Collective."

More and more, I have to agree with you.

[bpeale]

14. thank you techbear! these posts are done by people who don't have

anything positive to say about their candidate. if you have this much time on your hands, then go volunteer for your candidate instead of posting this kind of bullshit.

[Fridays Child]

22. If you have a question for me, you might want to address me and not techbear.

And guess what? There are actually some undecided Democrats out here. What a shock this must be to you! If you think that this thread is bullshit and the OP has too much time on his hands, what does that say about you for participating in it?

[DainBramaged]

21. Just check off the red X and everything is peachy

I've been using that wonderful ignore tool to blank out the flotsam and jetsam that is floating around DU lately. Oh, and I certainly will vote for the ticket, period.

[LSK]

87. there is no reason to disagree because we have a 2 party system in this country

You cannot deny that fact.

[TechBear_Seattle]

91. A perennial choice between Evil 1 and Evil 2

How often do you see party apparatchiks ordering us to vote for the lesser of two evils? When people ask for an opportunity to vote for good rather than evil, we are shouted down as traitors who are in cahoots with the Greater Evil. Apparently, choice and competition is to be valued EXCEPT when it comes to politics.

To quote TahitiNut's brilliant turn of phrase: Don't piss in my face and then tell me I must vote for you because the other guy's urine stinks more. Unfortunately, experience tells me that posts containing such sentiment are not long for this board.

[robcon]

108. It's a perennial choice between evil and good.

n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

4. Yes.

[Labors of Hercules]

5. Yep.

[SharonRB]

6. Absofrickinlutely n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. Depends on if I get over the suspicion she cheated somehow

in NH. Still think it suspiciously defies probability just like 04 FL. And I just could never vote for a cheater.

[DrDan]

8. no - I will not

I live in Florida and am being disenfranchised relative to the Democratic primary.

Why should I support the candidate of the party. I will support (write-in) the candidate of my choice. That person will be a Democrat, I am fairly certain, but highly likely not the one selected by the party.

[Dhalgren]

9. I will vote for the person I consider to be the best candidate for

the office on the ballot. Will you?

[Fridays Child]

17. The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican...

...by several orders of magnitude. And I won't stay home or write in a candidate because that effectively gives a vote to the Republican candidate.

[Dhalgren]

19. You vote in what ever way you choose and I will do the same.

Your vote belongs to you. You give it to whomever you want - you will get no comment from me.

[TechBear_Seattle]

57. Which is EXACTLY the attitude that leads to lousy candidates

Who needs to be a competent leader working for the good of the country, when all one needs is to be less evil than the one other permitted opponent?

[leftchick]

82. "less evil"?

the way I see it, it is the evil with the prettier veneer, but no less evil.

[TechBear_Seattle]

84. I sit corrected

:hi:

I was building on the perennial "You must vote for the lesser of two evils" meme. The lesser of two evils may be less evil, but it is still a vote for evil. It would be a very nice change of pace if I were allowed to withhold my vote until someone good comes along.

[KharmaTrain]

81. Bravo...It's Keeping The Eye On The Ball

I do find it interesting that those who claim this thread is some form of "loyalty oath" don't seem to mind hoping on the groupspeak of a specific candidate. Just sayin...

Hopefully once the Silly Season is over there'll be some peace in DU valley as we work toward kicking GOOP ass in November.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. Hmmm. So Which One Of The Republicans Could Be A Better Candidate Then?

[Dhalgren]

69. I don't like any of the candidates from either major party, so far.

I am going to wait and see what November brings. My vote belongs to me and how I vote is no one's business but mine.

[Balbus]

114. You mean your vote belongs to you, and you alone?

Wow, what a progressive idea. Are you sure you belong here?

[bpeale]

10. for the 95th time, the DLC does not own my vote

if they want it they will have to earn it. if hillary or obama is the candidate, then NO, they do not have my vote. i will vote my conscience no matter the consequences.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Not a chance in hell. Unless they've done something about corporate interference in the elections.

[More Than A Feeling]

13. Maybe.

Nobody has a pre-ordained right to my vote. I have to see who gets nominated and how they behave in the general election to fully decide.

[OneBlueSky]

15. not necessarily . . .

I live in New York, and if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, there's no way she doesn't win the state . . . that will free me to vote -- or not vote -- my conscience . . .

[blondeatlast]

31. I wish I had that luxury. My state has a chance of going blue which we almost did in

'04.

The Dem gets my vote even if s/he isn't my favorite. Siiigh...

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. I live in Texas, Bexar Co. so it probably won't matter for me, if I don't.

[alfredo]

16. Yes

[geardaddy]

18. Yes.

[peace13]

20. I am sick of this question!

Why does this question come up here day after day? Let's get a great candidate ready to run and then go with it. You are looking for an argument here or a cluster *uck of people pledging over and over to the unknown. Let's concentrate on getting someone on the ballot that is palatable to more than just the people on this board. peace, Kim

[Carrieyazel]

74. Only problem is, we don't have a great candidate. Not even close.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Maybe/maybe not. And, that's a promise.

I have the quaint notion that my vote is mine, not the property of any party or politician.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams

[Le Taz Hot]

24. How many of these per day

do we have to have? What's the point? Really?

[mod mom]

25. I will vote for a Dem...

I really hope to vote for the nominee. I plan on volunteering full time on GOTV activities but since I truly beliee that the DLC are infiltrators hell bent on continuing corporatism in this county, I will not vote for any candidate that belongs to this organization. I will write in a Democrat. Right now I am supporting Edwards, and will glad work for Obama or Kucinich but I will not take part in the corporatism that I believe is leading this country over the cliff.

[ladjf]

26. I will. But I'm afraid that our best candidate will not be the nominee.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

27. yes

[sniffa]

28. Loyalty oaths are for suckers

[Dhalgren]

42. sniffa, just off topic.

Mercer rocks! Jeb Bush is in his house with disease?! I need a bumper-sticker!

[sniffa]

45. I know. I want t-shirts too.

I'm hoping he joins DU. :bounce:

[Dhalgren]

50. We need to ask Skinner to start a "Mercer Group"!

:woohoo:

[sniffa]

60. You could be used on this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7356126

make your voice heard. become a Mercernary. :patriot:

[Glorfindel]

29. Yes

of course.

[Milo_Bloom]

30. Maybe... depends on the nominee.

[TahitiNut]

32. Sure - when the "party" respects the voters of Michigan and Florida

The 'Democrats' said "Fuck You!" to the voters of Michigan and Florida. ONLY Kucinich spent a dime and some time in Michigan. With NO VOICE (even one stifled by the corporate media) in choosing the nominee, NOBODY will tell me for whom I must vote in November!

The Democratic Party has thrown Michigan away. Dissed. Pissed on. How often will we hear that same ol' smear and sneer about toeing the line or "letting the GOP win"??? Well, that kind of authoritarian bullshit will no longer limp, let alone fly. As I've said before, the Democratic Party would have to make an effort to lose the General Election in November ... but they've shown before that they're up to the task. With their treatment of the VOTERS in Michigan and Florida, they deserve to lose, imho. I'll vote my conscience and anyone claiming that helps the GOP can go shove it up their Quisling asses.

Go ahead. Tell me about SCOTUS judges and Roe v. Wade ... and then tell me why labor, the homeless, gays, people RUINED by medical costs, and others get thrown under the bus and then "owe" something to those who didn't stand up for THEM! Tell me about "change" ... and then try to remember 2006 and broken promises.

The notion that votes are "owed" (bigger threat, don'tya know) and not EARNED is appalling for people who use the title "Democrat" and turn the word into a fucking JOKE.

:grr:

DON'T piss in my face and then tell me I must vote for you because some "other" guy's urine stinks more!!

[bluedog]

44. Damn straight.........4.3 million Florida voters will

not have their voices heard and delegates counted............and then to read this statement from Obama....
******************
Barack Obama doesn't care what Florida Democrats say on Jan. 29.

In a memo released Tuesday, he reiterated his long-standing view that their primary votes will be worthless. And he vaguely charged that Hillary Rodham Clinton may violate her pledge not to campaign in Florida by holding events here later this month.

"We signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida before Feb. 5, and we're not going to campaign in Florida," Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said. "But it is disappointing that the Obama campaign continues to tell people that their voices don't count, that they continue to disenfranchise people. Hillary Clinton wants to be president of all 50 states."

more at link: http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/16/State/Obama_stirs_fight_wit.shtml



after that slapin the face from him........well........I hope in The General people take note!!

[Dhalgren]

66. Jesus, T-Nut! How can you be so right so often? I agree with you 1000%!

"DON'T piss in my face and then tell me I must vote for you because some "other" guy's urine stinks more!!"

:applause:

[TahitiNut]

67. Adding insult to injury is a SHITTY campaign strategy.

The Nazi ass-kissing "Sophie's Choice" politics that some seem enamoured with appalls me. :grr: We're getting exactly the government we deserve when we resort to such subterranean "lower standards."

[Dhalgren]

72. '"Sophie's Choice" politics.'

True...so true... :grr:

[AngryOldDem]

70. GREAT POST! n/t

[TechBear_Seattle]

I agree entirely

I like your analogy enough to steal it and call it my own: Don't piss in my face and then tell me I must vote for you because the other guy's urine stinks more. Brilliant!

[TahitiNut]

90. Thanks. "Necessity is the mother of invention."

I find that my own words too often fall short of expressing what I want ... so I keep beating my head against the wall until something falls out. When it gets there, it gets there. That was one of those times.

[DemBones DemBones]

33. No. Not unless Dennis Kucinich is the nominee.

After forty-four years of voting, I've had it with voting for the lesser of two evils, won't do it again.

:kick:

[dorkulon]

36. Have fun with the worse then. /nt

[katmondoo]

34. Yes, Yes and Yes again

[stimbox]

35. Yes.

But I may have to hold my nose to do it!

[mondo joe]

37. Yes. And those who do otherwise deserve whatever the outcome is

should the Dem fail.

[TreasonousBastard]

38. Of course, but...

you must really like to read the sniggering, naive stamping of little feet from those who insist that somehow voting for "someone else" will make a point if we manage to nominate someone less than perfect.

People who don't seem to get that one of two will become President next January, and one of them will probably be a at least a bit better at the job than the other one. These incredibly ignorant and naive sunshine voters just don't get that voting for anyone else than one of those two simply siphons votes off of one of the viable candidates and has absolutely no other effect-- no "point" has been made, and nothing will change.

If Hillary, Obama, or Edwards is so horrible that one can't abide the possibility of them being President, even if the only other possible option would be Huckleberry, Giuliani, or worse, than just stay the fuck home and shut up about it.

[Djinn]

100. if you're willing

to vote for a a candidate who supports the gate keepers of the new Feudalism and US Empire just because he/she happens to call themselves a democrat then just stay the fuck home and shut up about it.

Or you know we could accept that on a political discussion board people might have differing views to our own :eyes:

[bigwillq]

40. At this time

Yes. I will be supporting the DEM nominee. I feel, every though each of them has their flaws, they all are better than the alternative.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Yes. n/t

[onenote]

43. of course

Always have, expect that I always will. So long as the Democratic candidate is even marginally better than the repub. Better is better.

[EstimatedProphet]

47. Damned straight I will!

[I Have A Dream]

48. Yes. nt

[HamdenRice]

49. Any Democrat except Hillary. I will not vote for her under any circumstances.

Obama, Edwards, Kucinich or any other Democrat would get my vote, but I, like millions of others, will never vote for Hillary Clinton.

In the long run, a vote for Hillary in 2008 is a vote for Jeb, or George P. Bush, or some other monstrosity that has slithered out of a putrid womb of the Bush crime family, for 2012 or 2016.

No more Bushes. No more Clintons.

Our government is not a two family revolving monarchy.

[TahitiNut]

61. Dynasty or die nasty ... it's not a "choice," it's a suicide pact.

:shrug:

[KansDem]

51. Of course...

Republicans:
We Tried It Your Way,
It Didn't Work

[Emit]

52. Yes. n/t

[Fabio]

53. most likely BUT...

there's 9 months to decide and watch how they behave.

no one gets my vote just because he or she is a democrat.

Furthermore, I live in NYC, so if I dont like the Dem nominee and I think the state is a shoe in, I may pass on the top of the ticket.

[MGKrebs]

54. I'm pretty sure.

If it somehow became Gravel against maybe Romney, I would have to think about it, but otherwise, yeah.

[madokie]

55. twice if I thought I could get away with it

I'm 100 percent Democrat and thats just the way it is ;-)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. Of Course I Will. I'd Be The Worlds Biggest Self-Hypocrite If I Ever Posted On This Board Again,

yet didn't vote for the Democratic nominee. Why would I so something so blatantly ignorant and of limited mentality?

[long_green]

62. Any Dem if Huckabee is the GOP nominee

that's about as much as I can promise.

[DaDooRonRon]

63. No matter what?

Aren't loyalty oaths somewhat harmful to the process of rationale thought?

I mean, that's what everyone tells me when Republicans do 'em. :shrug:

I really can't go along with that idea.

[leftchick]

111. you are exactly right

I don't go along with it either. Been there done that and it sucked.

[WA98296]

64. Doesn't look like there will be a 'democrat' nominated.

[AngryOldDem]

68. Right now, no.

As I sit awaiting the dreaded knock on the door in the middle of the night for daring to defy what "my party" tells me to do, I have to say that I am definitely undecided. I cannot and will not cast a vote for HRC. Sorry.

More and more by the day I am beginning to define myself as a true Independent, with the capital I.

[DainBramaged]

73. Then we lose to an organized Rethug machine that will eat us alive

You would give up the chance to undo 8 years of destruction because you can't hold your nose??? What are you thinking about?????

[Carrieyazel]

75. The same Rethug machine that got clobbered in 2006? The machine is way overrated.

That being said, our nominees our greatly flawed in a general election. If Clinton or Obama loses, its because Independent voters go elsewhere, not because Dems vote against them.

[DainBramaged]

79. Not worth risking but it doesn't matter to the Indies now, does it?

Let them vote for the Rethug. They get what they fucking deserve.

[Yuugal]

86. Did we get what we deserved in 2006?

Voting for the wrong dems is just as bad as a vote for our huckleberry friend. No more dlc for me, ever.

[DainBramaged]

95. Goodbye

[RiverStone]

76. Absolutely! I don't want no stinken rethug SCOTUS! ...n/t

[genie_weenie]

77. No, and since my *individual* vote matters not one wit, I don't feel bad.

But the question is "Do you love the party?"

[SeattleGirl]

78. Yes. n/t

[cureautismnow]

80. Yes.

I'll hold my nose if I have to, but I have never voted for a single Repuke and I never will.

[ProgressiveFool]

83. Yes

I don't like the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty thing, I have some other concerns about her willingness to work for the corporations, and I dread 4 or 8 years worth of constant media and right-wing nattering and delving into the deepest darkest nooks and crannies of her existence, but if Hillary is the nominee, I will gladly vote for her over whichever misfit gets the Republican nomination.

edit: Cuz that's what you're really asking, isn't it? Will we vote for Hillary?

[LSK]

85. Yes

[Norwood]

88. I dont know yet

At the moment any candidate other than Edwards doesnt look all that good to me. If Hillary or Obama get the nod they'll need to earn my vote, I wont just give it to them.

[Perry Logan]

89. Yowser.

[seasat]

92. That's the reason I switched my avatar from Richardson to a yellow dog

After my first choice dropped out, I'll support the nominee. Any of our candidates are better than the alternative.

[Fridays Child]

101. Exactly!

[LanternWaste]

93. Loudly and Proudly... n/t

Loudly and Proudly...

[Seabiscuit]

94. Yes - I will vote for the democratic nominee

The last thing we want is another whack job republican running this country again at a time where we need strong leadership in so many ways.

[B Calm]

96. Not if the candidate is a republican lite!

[BeHereNow]

106. Yes, why not just write in Jeb if Clinton and Obama are our MSM selected choices.

I HEAR you.
BHN

[Djinn]

97. No

but then again I can't

[backscatter712]

98. Yes.

Even my least favorite Democratic candidate would be Abraham fucking Lincoln compared to the current asshat in the White House.

We must wrench the Presidency away from the Republicans at all costs.

[Sparkly]

99. Yes!

[Jed Dilligan]

102. Yes

Possibly with the usual clothespin on my nose.

[leftofthedial]

103. not anymore

[robcon]

104. Probably... Kucinich is the only one I would not vote for,

and his chances of winning the nomination are slim.

[dajoki]

105. Of course I will...

Our only chance is to unite behind our nominee.

[BlueStateGirl]

107. Yes. AS someone on this forum once said " I would vote for

the rotting carcas of a dead rat before I vote for a Republican". Wish I could remember who...

[laylah]

109. Of course.

Though my choice is Edwards, ANY Dem in OUR White House would be better than ANY Republic.

[ozone_man]

110. Only if the nominee is not a corporate DLCer.

If so, then probably third party for me.

[lonestarnot]

112. Hell yes!

[Snarkturian Clone]

113. ABC -NT