Kucinich decries GE-media conspiracy

[maddezmom]

Kucinich decries GE-media conspiracy
By Emily Richmond · January 15, 2008 · 5:51 PM


At 5:25 p.m., shortly after the Nevada Supreme Court refused to give Dennis Kucinich a seat at the debate, a small band of his supporters marched to a far corner of a parking lot outside the Cashman Center, where supporters of the three major candidates gathered awaiting tonight’s debate.

Spectators soon realized that Kucinich was among them. He said:

“The fact of the matter is, NBC is owned by General Electric. General Electric makes power plants. General Electric wants to make sure there is a place to dump the waste.”

He was talking about nuclear waste and the now shuttered Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump site northwest of Las Vegas. Kucinich has joined the state of Nevada in opposing the dump. Thus, he said, GE is trying to keep him off the air.

“Now the media has become an issue in this campaign by trying to determine who should be in this debate,” he said.

more:http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/jan/15/kucinich-decries-ge-media-conspiracy/

[AnOhioan]

1. Americans are too stupid to elect someone like Dennis

We fucking deserve what we get.

[Individualist]

2. Hear, hear!

They prefer to obey the teevee. :puke:

[superkia]

17. Some people just dont understand how these elections operate...

just take a look down this thread, people cant believe that the media actually controls the sheeples minds and what they put into it. How many Americans even know who Kucinich is or what the issues are that he is speaking out on. The media has hidden him and the dumbass sheeple think its because he isn't electable...like its a problem with him? The corrupt system has everything to lose and nothing to gain by having any candidate that speaks out for the people like Dennis does, as president. The sheeples ignorance is ruining the country, its not the corrupt politicians.

I cant wait until the day that the harsh reality of the elites plans destroys some of the sheeples families, then maybe they will open their eyes and educate themselves instead of spreading bullshit that the media gives them. Too bad it will be too late by then.

[Fire Walk With Me]

6. We've already go it

:scared:

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. D'oh... "We've already GOT it".

[Pavulon]

15. Or were to smart to nominate

a guy who could NEVER win. Never EVER. He never polled out of single digits.

Not electable period. Nice guy, good politics.

[kenfrequed]

16. I could win a lot of states too...

If I had a tone of corporate sponsors and a two year media ride of "Will she run...and...what is Hillary doing now" hype.

This kind of circular argumentation is why we will never get the kind of candidates that most Democrats long for.

[onenote]

19. really? cause you just described rudy and fred on the repub side

and they're sinking like rocks...

Has DK ever gotten the slightest bounce of any of his more than one dozen appearnces in Democratic debates?

[kenfrequed]

24. Right...

With his statistically miniscule amount of time that he recieved, I am sure he could easily have won over everyone.

[Progressive Radical]

58. They sank because they are utter morons.

They have actually done and said shit that couldn't withstand even the medias masturbatory fascination with them.

Dennis Kucinich isn't even given a level field to either have success or fail in. There's your difference.

[taylor egv420106]

65. But you CANT win a lot of states

If like DK you are only interested in campaigning in states that "coincidentally" happen to have warm weather and sunshine, make little to no effort to have any money raised save complaining when people hold your campaign accountable for its lack of following and followthrough.

[cui bono]

29. Has it really not occurred to you that that is because of the media, read GE?

I thought everybody here understood the basic principle of corporate control of the media and therefore the message. Why do you think they kicked him out of the debate?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

41. If people got to know Dennis, they would vote for him.

Our corporate-owned media just mocks him. It's a shame.

[taylor egv420106]

66. Not true at all

I have met him, I know what he stands for. I think he is a good choice for congress for his district, but I also know there are only a 1/2 dozen or so districts in the country where he would stand a snowballs chance in hell of ever making it to DC let alone as President.

[DemBones DemBones]

30. The pity is that those of us who are not too stupid

have to live with the mistakes of those who are too stupid.

[taylor egv420106]

71. You are right

Democrats are stuck living with DK supporters who are apparently SOOOO much better and smarter than the rest of us poor dumb illiterate hicks. Oh if ONLY I had a perfect intellect like a DK supporter, after all a poor intellect is the ONLY reason ANYONE could POSSIBLY EVER not vote for DK right?

To all DK supporters GET OVER YOURSELVES.

[Whisp]

34. not stupid, just too fricken tired...

and confused and under das boot.
If a real message was allowed over the 'public?' airwaves, .... I believe the 'stupid' americans would behave as history tells how 'ignorant' peasants can be.... ;)

big machines working overtime,
no overtime for the pleebs. keep them Down....

[EFerrari]

46. You may be right. We're lucky to have him in public life at all. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. Also too stupid to elect someone like Edwards as well.

Some Americans deserve what we will get and those who don't, unfortunately will suffer right along with the Morans!11!! :grr:

[Progressive Radical]

55. I whole-heartedly agree.

Maybe things will get so bad that people will wake the fuck up. I'm beyond enraged. I'm just waiting for the coming revolution.

Biding my time ...

[Chisox08]

57. Most Americans don't even know Dennis

The M$M doesn't even cover Dennis. Until we get election reform and equal time to the public airways for each canidate people like Dennis will never get elected because they don't have the corprate money backing them.

[taylor egv420106]

63. Will you feel that same way

When a bunch of pouty DK supporters decide they would rather sit out the election like petulant children and have another republican in charge because they didn't get their way 100% of the time?

[taylor egv420106]

64. More like

Americans aren't stupid enough to NOMINATE someone like Dennis. We prefer someone who actually has a snowballs chance in hell of winning.

[Graybeard]

3. Good for Rep. Kucinich!

I see Kucinich as the lone protester standing in the way of the huge tank of the Media Industrial Complex.

[taylor egv420106]

67. I see Rep Kucinich

As a petulant child, upset that he isn't being treated like a serious candidate just because he doesn't campaign and doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning.

[Blue Congress]

People are too suggestible

We could ignore the Corporate controlled media, the ones who lied about the war in Iraq and would help start a war in Iran, and vote for Kucinich anyway... but too many have settled for Edwards who sounds like Kucinich but has no credibility or intelligence based on his past votes(apologies aside). So many on DU LOVE Edwards, and yet he was caught telling Hillary they ought to kick Kucinich out of the debates. It's sad to see so many fooled.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

45. There are people viciously willing to do every/anything to take advantage of others.

Perhaps, people are trusting, AS IF THAT IS A BAD THING.

Fact of the matter is, there are extremely powerful people who do not give a damn that they manipulate others ON PURPOSE,...FOR EGREGIOUS PURPOSES (mostly g-r-e-e-d).

Place judgment on those who DESERVE IT,...please.

[earthside]

4. Boring 'Debate'

The 'big' three have made a mistake in not demanding that Kucinich be included.

Frankly, we've had so many of these events that anything that will make them more interesting should be encouraged.

I probably won't even watch very much of this. I can't stand the smug Russert and one of the candidates is Bush-lite and not worth the time.

Yeah ... I wish Dennis would walk right up to the front of the auditorium and demand to be included -- man we need a politician with some guts for a change.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

5. Keep "grandstanding" as some here call it.

I call it speaking out for the majority that have little-to-no voice anymore.

[L0oniX]

7. This is more evidence of corporate control of our political system.

We need to go to war against these corporations.

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. "Uncommitted" has more of a right to be in the debate

[southerncrone]

32. But "Uncommitted" is a TERRIBLE debater!

;)

[Ken Burch]

62. Yeah, he won't say what he thinks about anything

OR if he does, he thinks something else the next day.

(Then again, Uncommitted isn't too different than the "frontrunners" in those respects...):eyes:

[KoKo]

9. GOOD FOR HIM...there does seem to be some skullduggering there with that Nevada Supreme Court and

maybe connection to Harry Reid's son....just saying...thing smells like rotting fish..from head down.

[orleans]

36. why? tell me about harry reid's son...how is that connected? n/t

[taylor egv420106]

68. BULL

The ruling forcing him into the debate was a BLATANT violation of freedom of the Press. What's next, suing the NY Times because they haven't done an article on DK in a few days and they did one on Obama?

It was rightfully overturned.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

10. And we know who owns that media

What about party loyalty?

Shouldn't that start at the top?

Why aren't the other candidates boycotting the debate in support of Dennis?

Oh, I get it.

K&R

[GreenArrow]

44. too often forgotten or not understood

The media is a tool, not the hand that wields the tool.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. This is the only part of this evenings' Nevada events I'm interested in

the rest is a dog and pony show. But MSNBC doesn't say a think about Congressman Wexler and what he's doing in DC, either.

[KoKo]

12. He's Correct and Harry Reid's son WORKS FOR HILLARY!

Amazing, isn't it.

[maddezmom]

13. but what kind of pull does he have with NV Supreme Court?

:shrug:

[onenote]

20. yep, it must've been a conspiracy that the Nevada Supreme Court followed the law

If someone wants to discuss the legal merits or flaws of the Nevada Supreme Court's decision, i'd be happy to participate. But all I've seen is silly conspiracy theories and name calling and not a shred of legal analysis regarding the specifics of the court's written order.

[maddezmom]

23. not a lawyer

just a cut and paster of the news(as the MSM reports it). :D

[Laelth]

28. Having eaten my previous words on this subject ...

... in another thread, I have to agree with onenote here. The Nevada Supreme Court's ruling seems sound to me. We may not like that there's no private right of action under section 315(a) of the Federal Communications Act, but because there isn't, DK laked standing to sue. Therefore, the judge laked jurisdiction to issue his injunction.

If only DK had pled promissory estoppel at the district court level, the Nevada Supremes may have ruled differently. As it was, DK's contract wasn't enforceable for lack of consideration.

Interesting.

Opinion here: http://www.nvsupremecourt.us/documents/cases/50889.ordergrantingpetition.pdf

-Laelth

[orleans]

37. if you understand all that, could you please explain it to me?

what is that "private right of action under section 315(a) of the Federal Communications Act"
and should dennis have gone to the fcc first? and sued under some other section?

was he dumped on a technicality because he filed suit under a wrong statue or not with the fcc?

please explain this if you understand

[Laelth]

38. i'll try.

Congress passes lots of laws, but that doesn't mean that an individual has a right to bring suit in the event that one of those laws is broken and the individual in question is injured as a result. There are some laws passed by Congress, on the other hand, that, when broken, give rise to a "private right of action" when broken, meaning that the injured party can sue and win if they are injured as a result of the breach of that particular law. DK alleged that GE (MSNBC) violated section 315(a) of the Federal Communications Act of 1934, but the Courts have consistently ruled that a violation of section 315(a) does not give rise to private right of action. In other words, an individual who is injured by a violation of that law can complain to the FCC, the body charged with enforcing the Communications Act, but that the Courts can't hear a complaint about an alleged breach of it.

In this case, I think DK did complain to the FCC first. Presumably, the FCC refused to help him, but I am not certain of the status of DK's complaint to the FCC. Then DK went to the Courts, but the Nevada Supreme Court ruled that because there's no "private right of action" available to vindicate rights and redress injuries sustained as a result of GE's violation of this law, the lower Court should never have heard his case.

The Nevada Supremes suggest, however, that DK's claim for breach of contract is different, and that the Judge had the right to grant equitable relief (an injunction ordering GE to allow DK to participate) if GE had breached a contract with DK. The Nevada Supremes ruled however, that DK didn't really have a contract with GE. Therefore, there could be no breach of contract because no enforceable contract existed in the first place to be breached. Had DK raised a "promissory estoppel" argument at the level of the lower Court (breach of an implied contract upon which DK relied to his detriment), it's possible he could have won in the Nevada Supreme Court (or so their Order suggests).

Hope that helps.

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--it's "contract" not "contact."

[orleans]

42. thank you. yes, that explanation helps me understand it a lot better. n/t

[onenote]

47. One correction: DK did not take his Nevada debate complaint to the FCC

at least that is my understanding. He did previously complain to the FCC about his exclusion from one of the NH debates and the FCC rejected that complaint based on established precedent that exempts debate coverage from the equal opportunties rule (section 315).

Otherwise, a good summary.

[rAVES]

53. Regardless of legality.. if you're happy with narrowed vapid debates, good for you.

others are not.

[taylor egv420106]

69. And if you're happy with unconstiutional violations of freedom of the press

Then you are probably unhappy with that ruling.

[high density]

14. Call up Jack Donaghy

Sheinhardt Wig Corporation needs to get their act together.

[lovuian]

21. Kucinich Rocks

:woohoo:

[Hissyspit]

22. VIDEO of Dennis' webcast here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2693823

[FREEWILL56]

54. Link didn't work for me from your thread.

[Breeze54]

25. You tell it, Dennis!! - America lost tonight but they're to stupid to know it!

:kick: & Recommended

[lonestarnot]

26. FUCK YOU GE!

[EFerrari]

27. How MANY ways can they try to piss off Democratic voters

and turn them off from the WHOLE PROCESS?

:nuke:

[Rex]

31. Wow DK is really getting after the CorporateM$M machine.

Another reason to vote for DK.

[southerncrone]

33. DK keeps shining the light in places corporate Amurka doesn't want exposed.

DK is our best hope for introducing America to the reality of politics & what goes on just under the radar. He exposes information & facts that we don't hear about in the MSM or that have been forgotten in our busy lives deluged with information.

[Blue Congress]

35. Right on Dennis!

http://peacecandidates.com/

[Echo In Light]

39. Funny, over the past few days NBC being a war profiteer has come up

As the obvious reason for DK's exclusion.

[Highway61]

40. Last night I saw Rudy at 3%

lets see if thay exclude Thompson AND Rudy. OK???

[Blarch]

43. What about national polls ?

thats what I thought.

[Desertrose]

49. Hope this doesn't die down right away....

not that anything will change...but I still have hope....

[Mutineer]

50. This is why I don't trust MSNBC

and never have understood the love for them here. Sure they do try to program to us now and are sort of styling themselves as the anti-Fox but don't ever, ever, ever lose sight of the fact that they are owned by defense contractors who have a stake in keeping eternal wars brewing and limiting those who speak out against it.

[FREEWILL56]

56. Quite right.

And the only reason Keith is still there is because of his popularity. Keith still has to listen to them as they are his bosses. I'm quite sure Keith has bitten through his tongue already wishing to speak his full mind with the threat of being fired if he does.
Bottom line here is that corporations do have a strangle hold on our country and not just the media as the control of our government through the corporate elite of both parties is strongly afixed. Not all are bought off yet or fully in our party, but are hardly in any position to change that corruption let alone allowed to be in any position to change that corruption.

[Pooka Fey]

51. K&R

[bjobotts]

52. This is the result of "Operation Mockingbird" CIA/Media. Only the net

is outside their control. The MSM does not want Kucinich's message heard and neither do the other candidates who should have boycotted the debate rather than capitalize on one less candidate being present. Their 'progressive agenda" is borrowed from Kucinich who the media has been trying to silence. If Kucinich had the $ of the others he would heard. Now they are doing the same thing to Edwards. The MSM is picking our candidates for us by excluding coverage of those whoi stand against them.

Google Operation Mockingbird because the same thing is happening to congress, especially the senate.

[Cleita]

59. Were Clinton, Obama and Edwards in on this?

Remember when Hillary Clinton went over to John Edwards in one of the earlier debates and was caught on the microphone saying something to the effect to him that the minor candidates needed to be eliminated from the debates and Edwards agreed with her?

I was going to switch my primary vote to Edwards. Because of this I changed my mind. I will vote for my first candidate Dennis Kucinich instead. I think anyone whose first candidate was not one of those three should stick to their original favorites in the primary. We need to send a message that our choices should not be made for us by smarmy political moves before we even have a chance to exercise our freedom of choice.

[taylor egv420106]

70. Uh oh be careful

Don't want that fine tinfoil hat coming off.

[donkeyotay]

60. Kucinich always gets right to the heart of the matter.

“The fact of the matter is, NBC is owned by General Electric. General Electric makes power plants. General Electric wants to make sure there is a place to dump the waste.”

Funny how the corps claim free speech can't be limited when they're purchasing it, but don't mind restricting OUR access to information in OUR election.

I think I'll make DK's observation my sig line so it'll stick around. You folks do realise that the PTB are busy making nuclear the answer to global warming. They still haven't figured out what to do with the waste that's left from the "too cheap to meter" energy.

[Fire Walk With Me]

61. Kick!