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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:27 PM
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Straits of Tolkin or Gulf of Hormuz?
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They Thought They Were Free - Read by Dave Emory

The Germans, 1933-45

Excerpt from pages 166-73 of "They Thought They Were Free" First published in 1955

By Milton Mayer

But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

....

"Yes," I said.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, THE SHOCK DOCTRINE will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’



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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:28 PM
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1. Could it have been staged?
I just find it hard to believe they would let anyone get that close without blowing them out of the water. They played the conversation and the supposed Iranians sounded American.

Did anyone hear it?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:35 PM
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3. Iran Gulf Confrontation Message to Bush on Eve of Mideast Trip
Iran Gulf Confrontation Message to Bush on Eve of Mideast Trip

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321170,00.html
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:29 PM
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2. Exactly what I was thinking...
Question though... did anyone see the audio tapes from the Navy on that whole thing... Something's ringing of bullshit to me. I don't know.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:35 PM
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4. Yea...first of all....Conspiracy Hat on
1. Why did they even show the video and play the audio? This is the first time we have seen this kind of thing...sound similar to raising the terror level colors without proof of a threat?

2. Keeping the Cole in mind- those boats should have had warning shots fired over their bows and if they didn't stop their advancement kaboom...end of story.

3. The voices on the tapes...not authentic...like someone with bad acting..

4. It's election time...Bullshit!

:tinfoilhat:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:43 PM
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5. I also question
if the Navy generally tapes all transmissions...

if the audio quality is always static-free...

and the lack of accent in the audio was also curious.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:50 PM
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6. you are right there was hardly any static...
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