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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:22 PM
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Did Obama Lie? Beyond the Rhetoric. - Interesting read
Did Barack Obama Lie?
“BEYOND THE RHETORIC”

By: Harry C. Alford




This caught us by surprise. The Washington Post quotes Barack Obama, “In Chicago, sometimes when I talk to the black chambers of commerce, I say, ‘You know what would be a good economic development plan for our community would be if we make sure folks weren’t throwing their garbage out of their cars’”.


First of all this sounds very derogatory ala Amos ‘n Andy or Stepin’ Fetchit. Our chambers have sound and progressive economic development plans and they are far more intricate than stopping litter. Second and most importantly, Senator Barack Obama refuses to meet with any and all Black chambers of commerce. There are 21 Black chambers of commerce in the state of Illinois which is the most for any state in the nation. They are well run, hardworking and dedicated to the economic development of Black communities throughout the entire state. They are respected by their Governor, the entire Illinois Legislative Black Caucus and the powerful Chicago political machine. But they get no props from Senator Barack Obama. He appears to despise Black chambers of commerce.


There are 100 senators on Capitol Hill and the National Black Chamber of Commerce can make appointments with 99 of them. “Brother Man” refuses to allot time while we interact with the leadership of the Senate on a daily basis. I guess it’s the syndrome “The white man’s ice is colder”. Yes, I think it is clinical. The best example of his problem happened in New Orleans last July at our 14th Annual Conference. It was co-incidental that three US Senators were in the area, Senators John Kerry, Mary Landrieu and Barack Obama. Two of them, Senators Kerry and Landrieu, jumped at the opportunity to visit our conference. In fact, Senator Kerry gave an inspiring keynote address while Senator Landrieu was eloquent with her welcoming remarks. They stayed one and a half hours networking with chamber executives and entrepreneurs from around the nation. Where was Barack? He refused to come. He actually peeled off from their touring party while the other senators met with us. He just couldn’t do it even though 15 Black chambers from Illinois were there.

..........


If Senator Obama ever decides to really speak to any of the Illinois Black chambers, he had better come correct. The topics will be Tax Incremental Financing, TIF, for neighborhood developments; the $280 million in annual contracts the Chicago Housing Authority denies local Black owned businesses; the front scandals at O’Hare Airport that denies real Black owned franchises; the terrific job the Black chambers have done in Central Illinois by employing every Black contractor at 100% capacity on Illinois highway projects (this should be expanded state wide); the opportunities along the rebuilding of the Dan Ryan Expressway in Chicago; restructuring and improving our dismal school system. It can go on and on but be assured it will be real business. It won’t be about “throwing their garbage out of cars”.


We don’t need him! We are doing fine and making great strides. The NBCC accounts for more Black dollars in the Gulf Rebuilding than the federal government. We are providing opportunities at every level of the American economy. The NBCC is the largest Black business association in the world and no one senator who has a phobia about meeting a group of Black business persons is going to stop us. The Illinois State Black Chamber just took 60 Black business owners to the capital, Springfield, and met with the Illinois Legislature to discuss a business agenda. We are having proud moments and great successes. He has a problem but it is his problem not ours. Let’s pray for him.


Senator, you don’t have to meet with us. But don’t say you do, when you don’t. We don’t need the lies or the jive.


Mr. Alford is the co-founder, President and CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce. Website: www.nationalbcc.org.


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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:24 PM
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1. This was posted in GDP on Sunday and it sunk like a rock.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:26 PM
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2. Does that make it not true, not relevant or both?
I do not frequent GDP so it was "New to Me"
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:29 PM
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4. no it is true, just get ready because they will begin to call Mr. Alford
a republican and ignore everything else within the article. That's all. :-)
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:30 PM
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6. I hear ya- look down, it is already happening!
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:28 PM
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3. Mr. Alford has endorsed * for president twice........
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 09:29 PM by TheDebbieDee
His opinion about any Democrat is tainted as far as I am concerned!
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:29 PM
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5. His opinion may well be tainted. That does not make the issue that
Barack lied any less true.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:40 PM
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11. So you believe a Republican Bush supporter over a Democrat?
That's what you're saying here.

Alford is just the national chairman of this organization. Does he really know if Obama spoke informally to members of the Chamber of Commerce in Chicago?
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:32 PM
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8. Well it seems the other members can confirm it..so why is it a lie
oh I know it's about Obama and you can't say anything negative.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:50 PM
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16. Oh, believe you me, I can find plenty of bad things to say about Sen. Obama........
For instance, I'm alarmed that repukes are crossing party lines to vote for Sen. Obama. The repukes can't wrest control of their party from the religious nuts that swept them into power.

And then there is the possiblity that a big chunk of these repukes crossing the party lines to vote for Sen. Obama genuinely LIKE Sen. Obama!

How weak a Democrat do you have to be for repukes to set aside the fact that you are a Democrat and vote for you anyway?

And his message of bipartisanship? Working with the repukes to get things done? Fu@k that! I want a Democratic candidate whose very name will make repukes $hit their pants with fear, or make their heads explode with rage!

But, back to my point, Democrats shouldn't have to stoop to using the words of this neocon tool to attack Sen. Obama.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:31 PM
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7. How did you come to find this article? n/t
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:34 PM
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9. It was IMed to me n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 09:35 PM by LibraLiz1973
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:38 PM
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10. Well, it was written in May 2007
and don't you find it troubling to be posting attacks on a Democratic Presidential candidate written by a Republican who supported George W. Bush in the last 2 elections. Don't you think that affects his credibility?
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:41 PM
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13. Does that make it less true??
I am googling, can't find any record that anyone disagrees with his stand that Obama lied.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:40 PM
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12. umm.. not good
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:42 PM
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14. the article isn't a good reflection on Obama, but the author is no friend of Dems either
:shrug:
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:45 PM
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15. AGREE that the author is no friend of ours. The ? is... does that make it less true?
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:52 PM
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17. The author is a POS neocon tool................
He has NO credibility with any decent Democrat!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:57 PM
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18. how much credibility will he have with faux news viewers during the run-up to november?
:shrug:

because i imagine that they'll be seeing a lot of him if obama is the nominee.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:04 PM
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20. The dip$hitS that watch faux snooz won't be voting
for any Democrat anyway. Screw 'em!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:15 PM
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23. a lot of people who might otherwise be inclined to vote for dems do watch faux news...
and many of them are blissfully ignorant of the fact that it's a propaganda tool of the rnc.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:04 PM
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19. Oh BTW there are African American Republicans too....
Maybe the crAZY black GOP org didn't really figure into Obama's plans.

a little about the website listed above.....

Seems...this article is hosted by a dedicated server from Houston Texas:

Just who owns this domain??

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:08 PM
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21. A bit more on Mr. Alford:
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=1094

He's a nut. Always best to do a little digging before throwing something like this out there.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:09 PM
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22. here's a full link to the website where it appears:
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 10:11 PM by QuestionAll
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:21 PM
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24. just bullshit eom
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