Let's get some truth goin...

[xultar]

If she didn't want it you'd say she didn't want it enough.
If she wanted it you'd say that she wants it too much
If she didn't fight back you'd say that she wasn't strong enough to take on the Republicans
If she fought back you'd call her a hawkish man
If she didn't have any money you'd doubt her ability to fund raise
If she has too much you say she's a money hogging corporate bitch
If she showed emotion you'd say she was too emotional
If she didn't show it you'd say she has no feeling
If she were a man you'd say she's not diverse enough
Since she's a woman you say it doesn't make a difference
If she had apologized for the war you'd be saying she was pandering and flip-floppin
Since she didn't you're calling her a war monger and a republican

If she won IA you'd be saying she has a corrupt machine
Since she came in 3rd you are saying she doesn't have what it takes

Be honest with yourselves people.

You don't like her and you'll use any tool to justify it. We get it. y'all hate, don't like, can't stand ,don't want, Hillary. GOT IT. Now talk about the fucking issues goddamnit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Yes, I don't like her.

And it's because of the fucking issues.

[GreenPartyVoter]

33. Amen

[Karenina]

40. I'm open to you both. I no longer trust her. HOWEVER

observing the nature of the attacks on her and the backroom deals to take her down, may I recommend:

"The Language War" by Robin Tolmach Lakoff

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. I don't hate her, I just don't want her as President. And it has nothing to do with gender.

[Swamp Rat]

2. She must be very exhausted

I feel bad for her having to put up with so much bigotry. :(

I can't wait until the primaries is over so we can get back on track smashing the GOP!!!

[xultar]

7. You don't see the sexism and double-standards people place on her

that they don't with the others?

You can't see that she and Obama are more closely alike than people let on?

Why all the present votes from Obama? Why didn't he just damn vote? Doesn't that concern you. I'm sorry, I misread ... your post.

That's why I dig Biden. I which he were on top right now.

[Swamp Rat]

17. Huh?

I just said Hillary seems to be very tired from a grueling campaign, in addition to people putting a lot of pressure on her, as in "sexism and double-standards." :shrug:

A lot of things concern me xultar, such as thousands of homeless New Orleanians living under the I-10 overpass.

As for Biden, I dig him too. ;)

[xultar]

19. I miss read. I'm sorry. I agree with you 100%

[Mojambo]

3. I don't hate her, I hate what she stands for.

But you're right, I'll happily use any tool to keep her from the nomination.

I think it's that important.

[xultar]

8. Because you are supporting Edwards I believe you. I hate to say it but she and Obama

are closer on the issues than most Obama supporters want to admit.

[Hoof Hearted]

12. Edwards actually falls further to the right, so you hate for nothing.

That's an overlay of the candidates graphs from ontheissues.org.

You hate for what you have been told she stands for instead of looking for yourself.

[Mojambo]

16. It's not about ideology on paper.

Senator Clinton (and Obama I might add) think corporations can be a part of the solution to the problems this country faces. Edwards recognizes (accurately, IMO) that they are in fact THE problem.

Left, Right, and Center mean NOTHING to me. It's corporate or anti-corporate.

I know I'm with the correct candidate.

[Hoof Hearted]

29. Well then we disagree about the means, but not the ends. I don't think Edwards would be able to

deliver what he touts in his stump speeches. Don't get me wrong though, I don't believe for a second that he would be a bad President at all.

[Saturday]

4. And some just can't help it because they're...

male chauvinist pigs.

[xultar]

9. True. I need to rekindle my love for ham sandwiches!!!

[TwilightZone]

5. That pretty much sums it up.

I think I've seen examples of most of those on DU. And, that's just today.

[Hoof Hearted]

6. Some people have six or seven screens going so they can be the first to whip it out and piss.

You nailed it xultar. K&R.

Keep on hating, assholes. It's working against you.

[Meshuga]

10. That's my perception too

I'm not a Clinton supporter (however I would have no problem voting for her if she gets the nomination) but I can see how obvious it is that she takes shit from all sides.

[Twist_U_Up]

11. oops self delete

Thought I was in a diffrent forum

[Elspeth]

13. You go, xultar.

I like how you cut through the crap. And on this site, there is WAY too much of it.

[Yael]

14. I don't hate her -- I simply don't trust her and I disagree with her policies on a HOST of issues

and I don't want her to be my president.

I am a female (although that shouldn't matter) and would be THRILLED to vote for a female for the highest office in the land.

Just not that one.

[xultar]

21. You don't trust Hillary...but you'll trust a Senator who says he'd vote one way...on a vote

that he wasn't even in office for?

I don't trust any politician who tells me to trust them cuz they wouldn't have voted for IWR...then they proceed to vote present on many current issues they aren't in office for...

[DemGa]

15. Love it, 'cause it's true...nt

[NC_Nurse]

18. It's all been said...ad nauseum.

Thanks for summing up the bullshit! :hi:

[JVS]

20. If she had shown spine in the last 7 years we wouldn't be doing any of that

because we'd actually be able to support her. Instead she's Lieberman-lite

[xultar]

22. DEFINE FUCKING SPINE...you don't think calling out the RW attack mob SPINE...

She was first lady then.

Puhleeze...

[Elspeth]

23. KICK AND WOW!

:kick:

[JVS]

24. On war she's been a total Bush stooge and deserves no sympathy.

The whole "calling out the RW attack mob" had to do with her family life and as such is really not going to bat for America in general, but as typical for herself.

[Marrah_G]

25. These posts are why I luv ya, Xultar

:loveya:

I'm supporting Edwards for the primaries, but I still don't get the hate I see here for our Democrats. It's like reading that other board here sometimes.

[Elspeth]

27. Me too!

Don't forget me. I'm a big huge fan.

(I'm really great during the summer months. :) )

[xultar]

43. NO SHIT. It's like freaky Friday every Fuckin day on this muthafucka.

[ismnotwasm]

26. K&R

[Writer]

28. This is brilliant.

And true.

And God forbid anyone ever admits their duplicitous, backbiting natures.

And God forbid any liberal man accept that he might still harbor a few sexist thoughts.

[Elspeth]

30. Kick

KICK

[sendero]

31. You are exactly right..

... I don't like her because of her record, simple as that.

The fact that I DO think she is a phoney is moot, at some level all politicians are.

[mmonk]

32. Who are you talking to?

Stop the gender rant because the reasons many of us aren't for her are DLC tendencies in her policies. The issue isn't always with those that oppose someone politically.

On edit, I can see around here it's all about her show of emotion (so I guess you are speaking to that).

[dysfunctional press]

34. i don't like her, and i don't need any tools to justify it.

and i won't be voting for her-
ever.

as for the issues- edwards has the best stance on most of them.

[tandem5]

35. kick!

[NCarolinawoman]

36. .....

:thumbsup:

[Avalux]

37. Great post....and it just made me realize something.

I have TRIED to like Hillary; I have listened to her speak over and over, hoping to find something that could make me say "a ha!". It's never happened though. She doesn't seem sincere to me and I have real problems with her vote for war authorization and inability to say it was a mistake.

So yeah - I DON'T LIKE HER. I don't hate her, I just don't like her.


(I will vote for her though if it gets to that)

[EstimatedProphet]

38. YES! QUITE WELL PUT!

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but it's been clear that there's a bunch of people here that are trying to make her out to be the AntiChrist, and that's just stupid.

[Der Blaue Engel]

41. Damn straight

DU has reached a new low. :(

[scarletwoman]

42. Thank you so much, xultar! Totally right on.

I have long despised her for her politics, but ONLY for her politics.

She is a powerful woman doing her best to find a place in which to channel her power. I can relate to that completely. It grieves me as a woman to see her denegrated on sexist terms, to watch the beast of misogyny rise up to rip her to shreds. And it REALLY pisses me off!

sw

[Writer]

44. Kick because we're already seeing claims of voter fraud.

People - rational? Bullshit.

Sometimes your candidate doesn't win and that is all.

[Elspeth]

45. Yup.

People can be rancid.