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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:17 AM
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Someone should speak up about Kucinich's ban from the debate tonight...
I hope Edwards does. But, one of the candidates should speak up for Dennis. He still deserves to be in the debate, in my opinion, so long as he remains in the race.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:30 AM
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1. Obama has
Also Hillary
Edwards said NOTHING, because he feels privledged right now, rememeber he and Hillary wanted the debates smaller months ago....The REAL Edwards is sshowing!
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:31 AM
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2. LOL..you guys get more desperate
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 08:33 AM by MalloyLiberal
Every post..

Kucinich has 0% and effectively conceded and endorsed Obama.
All Kucinich does when he is up there is attack Edwards. That's his 'job' . Gotta wonder if he's on the Obama payroll sometimes.

Richardson will continue to attack Edwards on 'class warfare' tonight right out of the gate. Gotta wonder if he's on Hillary's payroll sometimes.

Either way, RIchardson is hoping for a VP nod from Obama or Hillary cause he knows if by magic Edwards was elected he'd be screwed out of a job
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:36 AM
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3. Bwahahahah
Edwards is embarassing himself at this point. As someone said yesterday
Edwards has been running for the presidency for 9 years and he still lost in Iowa.

Elizabeth looked silly and over top even on tweety( who is a loser.)

He should bow out with grace.
Kucinich deserves to be in the debate, that is what DEMOCRATS do we are inclusive, unless you want to start acting like the ReTHUGS?
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:38 AM
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4. Kucinich should have bowed out long ago
Wonder if he even filed his complaint properly, he doesn't seem to know how to get on ballots properly

Kucinich has already said he won't pledge to support the Democratic nominee. He's not a real Democrat.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:39 AM
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6. That was all spin
Kucinich WILL support the Democrat!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:06 AM
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11. And yet when we poll DUers, he wins almost every time
Funny that.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:26 PM
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26. Obviously the DU'ers don't live in iowa or new hampshire
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:05 AM
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10. He didn't either endorse Obama
He told his supporters in Iowa to support Obama if he wasn't viable at their caucus locations. That's not an endorsement.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:38 AM
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5. Obama, Clinton and the top NH newspaper have. nt
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 08:39 AM by zanne
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:56 AM
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7. Independent Primary agrees
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 08:57 AM by cyclezealot
They provide you with phone numbers and email links. I did my part. It's just not Kucinich being censored. Also Ron Paul. Ron Paul as creepy as he is, has a right to have his views heard. And certainly he has raised plenty of cash from his special interests. How can someone gain traction when they the media has used their power to poison the mind of the American people months ago. Who are they to condemn anyone. The media is just a conduit for new information and entertainment. Their talking heads are often not real authorities, but just that . Talking heads.

$$.


STAND UP FOR FAIR ELECTIONS.

DEMAND THAT THE CORPORATE MEDIA INCLUDE ALL BALLOT-QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IN THE TELEVISED DEBATES.

ABC and Fox News are sponsoring debates just before the New Hampshire presidential primary.

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2489/t/4823/content.jsp?content_KEY=3645
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:51 AM
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17. Screw Ron Paul
And as for IndependentPrimary.com, I have a *strong* hunch it was set up by Kucinich himself. I'm a huge fan of Dennis, but I'm not stupid. I participated in IndependentPrimary.com and have read all of their mailings, and I have to say I smell something fishy.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:34 AM
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19. Ron Paul's economics are kooky.
But, we say we are influenced by the motto. If you do not speak for the rights of all Americans, you are no American or no Democrat.
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First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:02 AM
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8. Dennis had no chance to win any primary. PLEASE let him go
home ad campaign for his own reelection there! I understand he has someone running against him this time who has a chance to win, and you really don't want to lose him in the House do you? I loved hearing from all the candidates too. I was a STRONG Biden supporter! But I think it's now time to hear only from the candidates who have a chance to be our nominee. When there's such a big field, nobody has much of a chance to answer any questions with more than a sound bite!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:04 AM
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9. I thought Biden and Dodd had dropped out?
When Kucinich drops out, then he should not be in the debates.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:07 AM
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13. What about the 15+ other Democrats with 0% support...
...who are on the ballot in NH? Should they all be allowed as well?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:38 AM
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14. They did. Dennis should have as well. He had such little support
in Iowa, the hand full of supporters he had, had to hand write his name on a piece of paper with a sharpie to indicate where his section of supporters would be. As a die hard Kicinich supporter, you folks are acting like the single hold out of the one guy holding up building a highway because he won't sell his property.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:07 AM
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12. Dennis speaks for me
and for a lot of others too.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:40 AM
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21. That is a line of crap.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 10:56 AM by cyclezealot
The time clock says Wolf Blitzer had more time to pontificate the merits of his network than even they alloted Clinton. Kucinich has been denied equal chances to speak without the sass of the Press' talking heads from the get go . I hope he stays in the race at least until Feb. 5. . If not, those corporate hacks on stage will not have their ideas challenged. I note the biggest power in Kucinich's district has overwhealmingly endorsed Kucinich for re election to Congress. The Cleveland Federation of Labor with over 100,000 members, I think the news account stated. For debates to be fair. At the start the time clock should strictly alot time and no crap from the pundits allowed. We want to hear from the candidates not media; when making our choices and gaining our first impressions.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:05 AM
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23. delete by poster
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:06 AM by Tierra_y_Libertad
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:47 AM
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15. Dennis is the king... but it might be time to let it go
In an ideal world, Dennis Kucinich would win by a landslide. But in THIS world, he's on his way out. I agree someone should speak up about his being excluded - but with the way he and Gravel have been shut out on made-up pretexts all along, that's pretty much a lost cause as well. In an imperfect world, sometimes we have to pick our battles. This why I'm shifting my attention to Edwards now - another long shot, but still in the running.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:57 AM
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18. I keep saying he has my vote in the primary...
...but barring some miracle before then, I'll probably end up voting for Edwards or Obama. If Clinton seems to be inevitable, though, I could give Dennis my protest vote.

America seems to have some desire for a real lefty, but the two-party system has successfully silenced Kucinich. He may never have had the necessary charisma to win, but he wuz robbed.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:51 AM
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16. Kucinich isn't viable any longer.
Not after Iowa.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:38 AM
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20. We'll call it the Disney Mickey Mouse Debate. n/t
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:01 AM
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22. Kucinich takes on ABC.
They are not working in the public interest. Kucinich from his days as mayor does not back down from a fight with the powers that be. And a decison as to who qualifies as a major candidate. Kucinich is the only candidate excluded who has qualified for federal matching funds. No Other minor candidates excluded, did not qualify for those funds
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WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Kucinich for President campaign late today filed an emergency complaint with the Federal Communications Commission claiming that the ABC television network “is violating its obligation to operate in the public interest” by excluding Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich from tomorrow night’s scheduled debate in Manchester, NH.
**
Further, the complaint charges, the televised event “is not a true presidential primary debate without including all credible candidates, but instead is effectively an endorsement of the candidates selected by ABC.” The filing also notes that ABC “is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Walt Disney, Co., whose executives have contributed heavily to other Democratic presidential primary candidates, including Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, former Senator John Edwards, and Governor Bill Richardson
&&
To underscore Kucinich’s standing as both a “credible” and “qualified” candidate, the emergency complaint notes that he has campaign offices in Keene, Dover, Manchester, and Concord, paid staff, hundreds of campaign volunteers, and significant financial contributions from residents of New Hampshire. “In addition, Complainant Kucinich has been the winner in national online polls conducted by Democracy for America (receiving almost 50,000 votes while the closest competitor only received 38,000), Virginia State Democratic Party (receiving 30% of the Democratic vote while the closest competitor received 27%), Independent Voters (75% of the Democratic vote out of 80,000 online voters), as well as polls by Progressive Democrats of America and the Nation. In an ABC News poll, Complainant Kucinich received the most support from 42,487 voters (garnering 35% of the vote to 22% for the next closest candidate) who were asked who won the Democratic presidential primary debate on August 19, 2007

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/alerts-%11-left/abc-
violates-public-interests,-endorsing-chosen-candidates/
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:08 AM
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24. Debate? Without Deninis and Mike it'll be more like a tea party.
Just 3 people talking about the details they mildly disagree on and taking pot shots at each other between platitudes.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:22 AM
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25. As someone mentioned, Ron Paul was also shut out of the debates.
And he beat Giuliani handily in Iowa. That makes no sense how he can be out of the debates and Rudy still in. I don't appreciate others making decisions on who's viable and not for me- if Dennis wants in, let him in. Same with Biden and Dodd and Richardson and anyone who has not conceded. They should be allowed in.

It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on who can never win, the outliers are never allowed onto the stage in the first place.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:23 PM
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27. Recommend
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