In an Ideal world , no one is more worthy than Kucinich for the win

[UndertheOcean]

and if he should win , oh , what a wonderful thing it would be , what a world it would be.

But it's not to be, For within the ignorant public, in this age of superficiality and empty slogans and sound bites their is no place for humanity , for anything more substantial than a facade, a caricaturist mask.

If only it can be , if only.

[Le Taz Hot]

1. If only . . .

he hadn't thrown his support to Obama TWO DAYS before the caucus. Fuck him!

[greyl]

2. He doesn't really want the job, though, so

that's where your theory breaks down hard.

[UndertheOcean]

4. he can want it all he wants , but as you and I know , he too knows

that he is never going to get it.

I see no harm in guiding his supporters to the candidate who is closest to his ideals , we live in the mundane pragmatic world anyways.

[greyl]

7. But he doesn't want it, does he? That's one more reason you should support Biden. ;) nt

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

22. Pragmatic isn't the word I would use to describe Earth. . .

[seriousstan]

3. Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant.

Nice. Is that the vinegar instead of honey approach?

[melody]

6. The OP didn't say that n/t

[seriousstan]

9. Really?

But it's not to be, For within the ignorant public, in this age of superficiality and empty slogans and sound bites their is no place for humanity , for anything more substantial than a facade, a caricaturist mask.

I excuse his grammar and spelling.

[UndertheOcean]

10. So , the American public at large is not ignorant ? is that your claim ?

[seriousstan]

13. Yes, anyone but you and I am ignorant.

Happy?

[melody]

12. That's the OP's subjective opinion -- it seems to be framed that way

I'm not a Kucinich supporter and I wasn't offended. I just thought he/she was waxing poetic. lol

YMMV however.

[Yuugal]

5. screw Kooch

If he was really for the things he talked about in the campaign he would have thrown his support behind the other populist running.

[cyclezealot]

17. just went to the Edwards website

and checked out his healthcare plan. He talks of expanding medicaid and creating a health care market. Not populist at all, he still leaves insurance companies in charge. They will never change. This talk of creating a non profit health care entity. It's not on his website.

[Yuugal]

19. will you people ever stop lying about his health plan?

He was asked Sunday about it by some guy who was afraid it would mandate his already struggling family to have to pay for something they cant afford. Edwards made it clear:

1) Everyone who wants coverage will get it
2) those who can't afford it will get it free
3)people up to 100k will get assistance paying for it
4) it will cost 120 billion
5) he will pay for it by repealing Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy
6)no pre-existing conditions crap
7) it will also cover dental and vision care

If you are under 50k in income for your family and health care is your major issue, he is your guy. This is the best chance poor and working class people will ever have for a sane system. Since Hillary pretty much copied Edwards plan I think we might even get as good from her. Obama promises to leave holes in his plan that 15 million people will fall into right off the bat. That means more like 30 million in politician-speak.

I will try to get you a link from that part of the speech.

[cyclezealot]

23. he should update his website then.

And besides the insurance companies won't play his game . You want a competitive America we must attack the 25% administrative fee they charge. Edwards keeps those masters of graft involved in his game plan ; they won't play his game . Or Edwards is naive as all hell. The Conyers/ Kucinich Bill is the only way to recoup that 25% graft fee.
$$.



John Edwards has a bold plan to transform America's health care system and provide universal health care for every man, woman and child in America.

Under the Edwards Plan:
Families without insurance will get coverage at an affordable price.
Families with insurance will pay less and get more security and choices.
Businesses and other employers will find it cheaper and easier to insure their workers.
The Edwards Plan achieves universal coverage by:
Requiring businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their health insurance.
Making insurance affordable by creating new tax credits, expanding Medicaid and SCHIP, reforming insurance laws, and taking innovative steps to contain health care costs.
Creating regional "Health Care Markets" to let every American share the bargaining power to purchase an affordable, high-quality health plan, increase choices among insurance plans, and cut costs for businesses offering insurance.
Once these steps have been taken, requiring all American residents to get insurance.
Securing universal healthcare for every American will require the active involvement of millions of Americans


http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/health-care/
$$$/
So the Edwards plan says it will cost taxpayers 190 billion more. Big frickin deal. Health care economists say a EU style health care plan should save the American economy over 1.1 TRILLION dollars over the next decade. The Edwards plan is no plan. It only causes US taxpayers to foot the balance , instead of save 1.1 TRILLION. We already have the most expensive, wasteful healthcare system on the planet and all Edwards can do is make it more expensive.

[zalinda]

24. Michael Moore just sort of endorsed him

http://michaelmoore.com/

zalinda

[cyclezealot]

25. Moore appears to be sucked up by his rhetoric.

All the while he says he is not happy with his health care plan. Edwards had any balls he say flat up front his true feelings about how health care companies are screwing us. Instead of as his plan says above, Insurance companies will form a 'health care market.' Rhetoric takes a back seat to actual positions.


Edwards is the only one of the three front-runners who has a universal health care plan that will lead to the single-payer kind all other civilized countries have.

*****"His plan doesn't go as fast as I would like, but he is the only one who has correctly pointed out that the health insurance companies are the enemy and should not have a seat at the table*****"
%%%

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=220
Knowing how our Congress works, I doubt the Edwards plan would even encompass the promises of the Edwards plan.

[fenriswolf]

8. hear hear

enough with the speculation and the triangulation the flat out best person for the united states would be kucinich.

[UndertheOcean]

11. For the World , even.

I only wish.

[K Gardner]

14. And when he was for certain only drowning men could see him..

he said "all men will be sailors then until the sea shall free them"...

In a different world, many things would be different..

[ThatPoetGuy]

15. In an ideal world, there's no need for people like Kucinich.

In an ideal world, there's no oligarchy to topple. There's no oppression, no racism, no poverty. Our health care system functions marvelously and we never engage in pointless wars. There is no pollution, no corruption, no drive to make life worse for gays and women.

In an ideal world we have no need for labor unions, reformers, trial lawyers, or activists. The world is already ideal, so there is no need for people like Kucinich and Krugman and Edwards, who are working to improve it.

[UndertheOcean]

16. Well said !

:applause:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Please.

[moez]

20. But alas....

we're in a world where leprechauns and aliens have to sit on the sidelines...

[Echo In Light]

21. Well, agreed...however, he really turned me off by steering supporters to

Obama...especially before the caucus. No dice. Edwards would be my second choice.